General & Others When will ZKKers stop gaslighting and just tell the truth?

[Herrera95]

I don't want Luffy to defeat Kaido.

I lost hope in Luffy since BM "one-shotted" him at WCI and then that bullshit "victory" over Katakuri.

But I don't know what is the problem now. If Luffy fanboys accept his fake victory against Katakuri why they can't accept the fake victory against Kaido and let Zoro kill him?

Who doesn't want the other to shine?

 

[M944]

that is the problem with zoro fans they just want zoro to fight a stronger kaido so they can confirm their delusion of zoro > luffy

It's an hidden agenda lol
The theory doesn't make sense story wise

 

[JoNdule]

It's an hidden agenda lol
The theory doesn't make sense story wise

Oda actually had kid, Law and others ready to fight kaido
Zoro was never shown even opening his eyes to fight again since he fell asleep

But somehow when Kaido gets up and uses awakening, Zoro will somehow get up and be able to fight magically and beat kaido

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Their stupid hidden agenda

They want zoro to kill awakened kaido or just normal kaido so that they can claim Mihawk > kaido. Zoro = or > Luffy

 

[M944]

Oda actually had kid, Law and others ready to fight kaido
Zoro was never shown even opening his eyes to fight again since he fell asleep

But somehow when Kaido gets up and uses awakening, Zoro will somehow get up and be able to fight magically and beat kaido

Even if he could get up why Luffy can't get up faster
He is the awakened Zoan so better recovery speed and he took less damages
or If it's a Don Krieg style why Momo or Yamato can't take care of Kaido, they are close to him and it will add up to their characters

I know Momo and Yamato won't for the same reasons Zoro won't either

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Oda doesn't kill villian -> Oda killed Orochi

You are sure Orochi is dead ? Because the fact that his head he's still in Zoan form only implies that he's defeated not dead
For example when Smiley (a Zoan died) on PH he lost his Zoan form immediately

If Kaido gets up then it's not Luffy's victory -> Oda showing Don Krieg, Monet getting up despite having been defeated

Comparing a Zoan who have awakening (stronger form) to normal people, or even comparing Luffy who can't fight anymore because he is too tired to characters who could still fight

Only Luffy is allowed to be Wano's savior -> Oda showing both Luffy and Zoro as God and Guardiant Deity of Wano

Who is entrusted to save Wa No ? Zoro or Luffy ?

No one can be allowed to shine after Luffy has defeated the big bad -> Oda giving Zoro and Sanji their big moment in Thriller Bark and WCI

Against different characters than the one Luffy beat and none of these moments where a fight

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Luffy vs Don Krieg

Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg

Luffy falls into the sea after it

Sanji had to save Luffy

Gin confirms that Krieg lost

Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out

Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man

So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.

While Krieg is still up and ranting.

Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.

Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.

The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.

Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.

Luffy vs kaido is an extreme diff+ fight
Luffy vs Krieg was low-mid diff

It doesn’t matter if Gin KOs Krieg, because we already know Luffy is stronger.

you cannot say the same for zkk and kaido. Kaido getting up would throw luffy’s victory into question and you are a liar if you pretend otherwise.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

because it's oda lol

lol its exact;y because its oda that it makes sense they both will be saviors of wano in the end

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Gin beat Don Krieg and not Luffy
Tashigi beat Monet and not Zoro
Nami beat Absalom and not Sanji

All of these are low-mid diff fights where the stakes weren’t nearly as high as Luffy vs kaido.

It is utterly incomparable to Luffy vs kaido where luffy’s victory is marginal. Luffy even passed out after Bajrang gun, yet you are saying if kaido gets up in the next 2 chapters, it’s still somehow luffy’s victory?

grow some integrity and just admit you don’t want Luffy to defeat kaido

 

[Date]

ZKK stands for Zorot4ards Keep Krying

 

[Malio]

Lmao fucking copeheads come out to fiend

 

[Roo]

lol its exact;y because its oda that it makes sense they both will be saviors of wano in the end

Luffy is Oda's goldenchild
https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/yomiuri-oda/

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Luffy is Oda's goldenchild
https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/yomiuri-oda/

lol you act like i am trying to take something away from luffy ...all i am saying is that luffy and zoro can shine this arc .Luffy will win and defeat kaido he is joyboy,nika,odas favorite child lol the one thing oda won't have luffy do is kill kaido and if indeed his head has to fly to stop him then thats zoros moment to shine lol luffy is not a swordsman

 

[Zenos7]

Like Kaido, Oars was a member of the Oni race

citation needed

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What the hell are you even saying?
These guys never beat Luffy's major villains
Gin isn't even strawhat

totally missed the point. the point was that luffy would still be the winner of his fight against kaido, even if the latter somehow wakes up and gets killed by zoro. Just like in the examples he gave in his post.

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Mihawk > kaido

kaido > mihawk, even if zkk happens. and thats a very unlikely if anyway

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Comparing a Zoan who have awakening (stronger form) to normal people, or even comparing Luffy who can't fight anymore because he is too tired to characters who could still fight

in the case of don krieg, luffy wasnt able to fight anymore though?

 

[nik87]

I said Luffy would never beat Kaido and the author declaring Kaido as the winner is a step in the right direction.
All that's left is Kaido climbing out of the hole while Luffy remains asleep and all the glory goes to the samurai.

 

[CbShadow]

Oda actually had kid, Law and others ready to fight kaido
Zoro was never shown even opening his eyes to fight again since he fell asleep

But somehow when Kaido gets up and uses awakening, Zoro will somehow get up and be able to fight magically and beat kaido

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Their stupid hidden agenda

They want zoro to kill awakened kaido or just normal kaido so that they can claim Mihawk > kaido. Zoro = or > Luffy

We know that this post is just another "I don't believe ZKK will happen because Zoro killing Kaido will hurt my feelings" post repackaged.

One Piece characters grow stronger in battle and will regain consciousness to continue fighting if they need to. Your claim that Zoro can't do either goes against the manga.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Luffy vs kaido is an extreme diff+ fight
Luffy vs Krieg was low-mid diff

It doesn’t matter if Gin KOs Krieg, because we already know Luffy is stronger.

you cannot say the same for zkk and kaido. Kaido getting up would throw luffy’s victory into question and you are a liar if you pretend otherwise.

All of these are low-mid diff fights where the stakes weren’t nearly as high as Luffy vs kaido.

It is utterly incomparable to Luffy vs kaido where luffy’s victory is marginal. Luffy even passed out after Bajrang gun, yet you are saying if kaido gets up in the next 2 chapters, it’s still somehow luffy’s victory?

grow some integrity and just admit you don’t want Luffy to defeat kaido

Stop crying you nitwit

I‘m not even talking about ZKK, just the idea of Kaido getting back up eventually.

It’s been shown throughout the series that someone can win a fight while not landing the final hit. You pretending those fights don’t count doesn‘t make it so.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Gin beat Don Krieg and not Luffy
Tashigi beat Monet and not Zoro
Nami beat Absalom and not Sanji

Don’t have much time for this argument. The last 50 chapters of Luffy vs Kaido doesn’t disappear if anyone else (be it Zoro, Blackbeard, the ghost of Oden) kills Kaido.

They wasn't the main Boss of a Saga? Are they? Wasn't Arlong defeated by Luffy?,Crocodile defeated by Luffy,Rob Lucci defeated by Luffy,Doffy defeated by Luffy? and now is Kaidou turn.

 

[Garp the Fist]

They wasn't the main Boss of a Saga? Are they? Wasn't Arlong defeated by Luffy?,Crocodile defeated by Luffy,Rob Lucci defeated by Luffy,Doffy defeated by Luffy? and now is Kaidou turn.

It does not matter

The only thing that matters is that it is a fact that in OP you can win a fight with someone else landing the final hit.

If Oda wants to do it with Kaido, he can, and it would have precedent.

 

[serkeara]

Luffy vs kaido is an extreme diff+ fight
Luffy vs Krieg was low-mid diff

It doesn’t matter if Gin KOs Krieg, because we already know Luffy is stronger.

you cannot say the same for zkk and kaido. Kaido getting up would throw luffy’s victory into question and you are a liar if you pretend otherwise.

What a mental gymnastic. Now you just say other fights doesn't matter as a counter argument 😂. Its a self-destroyed desperate move.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

It does not matter

The only thing that matters is that it is a fact that in OP you can win a fight with someone else landing the final hit.

If Oda wants to do it with Kaido, he can, and it would have precedent.

That's not what you mean, and that's not the true too, since a Main boss of a Saga is Luffy who defeats.

Yonko Saga=Kaidou.
Alliance Saga=Doffy.
WG saga= Rob Lucci.
Baroque Works Saga=Crocodile.
Eats Blue Saga= Arlong

 

[Roo]

lol you act like i am trying to take something away from luffy ...all i am saying is that luffy and zoro can shine this arc .Luffy will win and defeat kaido he is joyboy,nika,odas favorite child lol the one thing oda won't have luffy do is kill kaido and if indeed his head has to fly to stop him then thats zoros moment to shine lol luffy is not a swordsman

Luffy finished the baddie, it’s always like that