Character Discussion When you realize that Zoro is talent and Sanji is hardwork

The White Crane

The White Crane

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#23
#23
langitbarat said:
I was born in the mid 90s. The first and majority of One Piece contents I consumed in the 2000s is through Onemanga site, Mangatraders forum, and IRC chats. Don't know if you guys ever heard and use them.


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Back in the day, there was this notion/sayings of "Zoro is hardwork, Sanji is talent".

Of course this is true, in a way. Especially when Oda emphasizes Zoro with weight training and doing other exercises, while at the same time showing Sanji being laid back and spends time comfily with the crew.

These kind of scenes lead to the impression of Zoro works harder than Sanji.

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Fast forward almost two decades later: adulthood arrives, and One Piece becomes bigger & more explored. The notion of Zoro=hard work & Sanji=talent kinda got reversed. How?

- Zoro has CoC, Sanji doesn't
This thing itself speaks volumes that Zoro's innate talent > Sanji's innate talent.

- Zoro has top tier physique without DF or scientific modification
His natural body's talent achieved this top tier level without "external" help. Again, proof that Zoro's physique talent > Sanji's physique talent.

Well, everyone can understand and accept these. But what's the deal with Sanji and hardwork?

The answer is adulthood and the realistic POV it brings to life. When you view Zoro's and Sanji's overall actions throughout the series with more realistic approach, you will notice that Sanji ALSO put effort & hardwork too. Zoro does exert more physical burden, but Sanji exert more physical activities.

Yes, the keyword here is "cook" and/or "cooking". Casually, a cook's job is just to present a meal. But in reality, this process is long and complex. Sanji needs to prepare ingredients first. He had to go shopping or hunts. Then he cooks, present the meals, wash the dishes, cleans the kitchen, etc. These kind of things seems menial and easy, but the amount of effort spent is large. Besides that:

Daily life:
- Zoro trains, exercise, occasionally scouts, and then sleep
- Sanji cooks, sleep

Battles:
- Zoro fights an opponent, done
- Sanji also fights an opponent, but he usually also defend people, and sometimes, do stealth and do missions to save the arc/crew

Post battle:
- Zoro party and drinks.
- Sanji cooks and cleanup.

So, yeah. Zoro might exert and spent more strength, but Sanji is busier and have more activities. In one perspective, Sanji's hardwork > Zoro's hardwork..

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In the end, actually I think Sanji and Zoro is BOTH about talent and hardwork.
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Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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#25
#25
langitbarat said:
I was born in the mid 90s. The first and majority of One Piece contents I consumed in the 2000s is through Onemanga site, Mangatraders forum, and IRC chats. Don't know if you guys ever heard and use them.


PAST

Back in the day, there was this notion/sayings of "Zoro is hardwork, Sanji is talent".

Of course this is true, in a way. Especially when Oda emphasizes Zoro with weight training and doing other exercises, while at the same time showing Sanji being laid back and spends time comfily with the crew.

These kind of scenes lead to the impression of Zoro works harder than Sanji.

PRESENT

Fast forward almost two decades later: adulthood arrives, and One Piece becomes bigger & more explored. The notion of Zoro=hard work & Sanji=talent kinda got reversed. How?

- Zoro has CoC, Sanji doesn't
This thing itself speaks volumes that Zoro's innate talent > Sanji's innate talent.

- Zoro has top tier physique without DF or scientific modification
His natural body's talent achieved this top tier level without "external" help. Again, proof that Zoro's physique talent > Sanji's physique talent.

Well, everyone can understand and accept these. But what's the deal with Sanji and hardwork?

The answer is adulthood and the realistic POV it brings to life. When you view Zoro's and Sanji's overall actions throughout the series with more realistic approach, you will notice that Sanji ALSO put effort & hardwork too. Zoro does exert more physical burden, but Sanji exert more physical activities.

Yes, the keyword here is "cook" and/or "cooking". Casually, a cook's job is just to present a meal. But in reality, this process is long and complex. Sanji needs to prepare ingredients first. He had to go shopping or hunts. Then he cooks, present the meals, wash the dishes, cleans the kitchen, etc. These kind of things seems menial and easy, but the amount of effort spent is large. Besides that:

Daily life:
- Zoro trains, exercise, occasionally scouts, and then sleep
- Sanji cooks, sleep

Battles:
- Zoro fights an opponent, done
- Sanji also fights an opponent, but he usually also defend people, and sometimes, do stealth and do missions to save the arc/crew

Post battle:
- Zoro party and drinks.
- Sanji cooks and cleanup.

So, yeah. Zoro might exert and spent more strength, but Sanji is busier and have more activities. In one perspective, Sanji's hardwork > Zoro's hardwork..

---

In the end, actually I think Sanji and Zoro is BOTH about talent and hardwork.
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What the bloody fuck did I just read?
 
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Herrera95

#39
#39
First thread of how to compare apples with bananas.

Talent doesn't exist in One Piece. Even Sanji cooking skills were hardworking.

CoC is not inherent talent. It is the will of conqueror. Simply like that. Sanji doesn't want to conquer anything. He wants to discover only.

And by your arguments Sanjo has no hardworking since he had modified genes.
 
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Desolate Smaug

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#40
#40
Herrera95 said:
First thread of how to compare apples with bananas.

Talent doesn't exist in One Piece. Even Sanji cooking skills were hardworking.

CoC is not inherent talent. It is the will of conqueror. Simply like that. Sanji doesn't want to conquer anything. He wants to discover only.

And by your arguments Sanjo has no hardworking since he had modified genes.
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Lol CoC is talent, almost every pirate in the sea wants to conquer the grandline and become the PK, those that are most talented have all risen to the top and come closest to one piece, wanna guess what they all have in common? Kings haki.
If you could detect kings haki in kids, it would probably be better to make a crew out of people with it since it's already been proven enough times that those with it will at least be high tiers.
 
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