Questions & Mysteries Where is Zoro's birth Sword?
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So I was re-reading a few previous chapters of the Wano arc, when I came across an interesting statement made by Kawamatsu.
He stated that when a child of Ringo is born, they are gifted a Katana, which stays with them through life, and becomes a Grave Marker for them, when they die.
Now the fall of Ringo happened 18 years prior to the current storyline, which would have made Zoro 3 years old at the time. The popular theory is that he was born in Wano/Ringo as a Shimotuski, and by some means eventually made it to East Blue. But if that is the case, then where is his birth Sword?
There is two likely scenarios here.
1) Zoro was not born in Wano as a Shimotsuki, as he would have been accustomed to this tradition just as every other child who was born into the Shimotsuki Family. Even Kuina, was given a Meito, which most likely was given to her at birth. So this tradition even applies to the Shimotsuki's who left Wano ages ago. So even if Zoro wasn't born on Wano, and was only conceived there before his mother made it to East Blue, he still should have been gifted a Katana upon his birth, even in East Blue.
2) His birth Sword is still on Wano, and this could make for a pretty interesting plot twist. If Zoro really was born on Wano, and the Shimotsuki Clan was wiped out, but before that could happen, Ushimaru sent his mother away, he would still need to answer for the fact that his wife and child are missing. What better way to do that, then to fake this deaths, and create mock graves. In Zoro's mock grave, there should be a Katana there. The one that would have been gifted to him upon his birth. Zoro did make the cooment that he wanted to visit the Grave of Ryuma, so at some point he will be going to Ringo's Graveyard. If that's the case, will he find his own Grave there? If that's true, then will we finally solve the mystery of the famous "Death" foreshadowing cover page for Zoro? It's not that he actually die, but instead, he already has "Died".
This also strikes another interesting question. Is Kuina really dead? The Shimotsuki's clearly follow the tradition of their family, even though they left Wano and travelled to East Blue, but Koshirou didn't place the Wado Ichimonji on her grave, as is the custom to a Shimotsuki who has died. He gave it to Zoro. If she really is dead, then will Zoro return to her grave, and place the Sword into it, once he becomes the World's Strongest Swordsman? Thus fulfilling both of their desires to become the WSS? He travelled the World with her Sword, made it one of the strongest, and then returns to place it upon her grave. That would be extremely poetic if that was the case.
So what do you guys think. Is there a grave and a Sword waiting for Zoro once he makes it to Ringo's grave? Or is he not a Shimotsuki? Or is he a Shimotsuki, but for some strange reason, was never given a birth Sword?
He stated that when a child of Ringo is born, they are gifted a Katana, which stays with them through life, and becomes a Grave Marker for them, when they die.
Now the fall of Ringo happened 18 years prior to the current storyline, which would have made Zoro 3 years old at the time. The popular theory is that he was born in Wano/Ringo as a Shimotuski, and by some means eventually made it to East Blue. But if that is the case, then where is his birth Sword?
There is two likely scenarios here.
1) Zoro was not born in Wano as a Shimotsuki, as he would have been accustomed to this tradition just as every other child who was born into the Shimotsuki Family. Even Kuina, was given a Meito, which most likely was given to her at birth. So this tradition even applies to the Shimotsuki's who left Wano ages ago. So even if Zoro wasn't born on Wano, and was only conceived there before his mother made it to East Blue, he still should have been gifted a Katana upon his birth, even in East Blue.
2) His birth Sword is still on Wano, and this could make for a pretty interesting plot twist. If Zoro really was born on Wano, and the Shimotsuki Clan was wiped out, but before that could happen, Ushimaru sent his mother away, he would still need to answer for the fact that his wife and child are missing. What better way to do that, then to fake this deaths, and create mock graves. In Zoro's mock grave, there should be a Katana there. The one that would have been gifted to him upon his birth. Zoro did make the cooment that he wanted to visit the Grave of Ryuma, so at some point he will be going to Ringo's Graveyard. If that's the case, will he find his own Grave there? If that's true, then will we finally solve the mystery of the famous "Death" foreshadowing cover page for Zoro? It's not that he actually die, but instead, he already has "Died".
This also strikes another interesting question. Is Kuina really dead? The Shimotsuki's clearly follow the tradition of their family, even though they left Wano and travelled to East Blue, but Koshirou didn't place the Wado Ichimonji on her grave, as is the custom to a Shimotsuki who has died. He gave it to Zoro. If she really is dead, then will Zoro return to her grave, and place the Sword into it, once he becomes the World's Strongest Swordsman? Thus fulfilling both of their desires to become the WSS? He travelled the World with her Sword, made it one of the strongest, and then returns to place it upon her grave. That would be extremely poetic if that was the case.
So what do you guys think. Is there a grave and a Sword waiting for Zoro once he makes it to Ringo's grave? Or is he not a Shimotsuki? Or is he a Shimotsuki, but for some strange reason, was never given a birth Sword?
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The sword was forged for zoro but someone along the way decided he shouldn't know about his family's past. Maybe it was his father, maybe his "grandpa." who made the sword. But if they're all Shimotsukis, the sword should have been buried with Kuina if it belonged to her, and went with Zoro if it belonged to Zoro. Also, Kuina is just some random kid related to a sword teacher, why would she get a meito? Zoro on the other hand... if Shimotsuki Ushimaru is his father, he would be the son of a daimyo.
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there is actually no evidence that zoro was born in the east blue. no information from the manga, vivre cards, or any other supplementary material says so. he grew up there, but zoro's birthplace is technically unknown. (it's Wano.)
even though i think Wado was forged for Zoro and is technically "his" sword, I also believe he will do this, to return it to Kuina because it has always been symbolically hers. I have headcanon that Greenbull is either Ushimaru or another Shimotsuki who is related to Zoro and he will reveal this to him mid-fight to shake his willpower, but Zoro will choose to live on the path he believes rather than the one that was set out for him ahead of time.
theres no way that's really her sword. im sorry lol. if it was, she'd have been buried with it.
another thing is: She never actually says it's her sword. In fact, no one but Zoro ever suggests it actually belonged to her. She just gets it from the dojo after Zoro challenges her to a fight with real swords, and Koushiro IMMEDIATELY hands it over when Zoro asks for it even though it would be wrong in his culture to disrespect his dead child by giving up her sword so easily. Unless it's just not hers.
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theres no way that's really her sword. im sorry lol. if it was, she'd have been buried with it.
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another thing is: She never actually says it's her sword. In fact, no one but Zoro ever suggests it actually belonged to her. She just gets it from the dojo after Zoro challenges her to a fight with real swords, and Koushiro IMMEDIATELY hands it over when Zoro asks for it even though it would be wrong in his culture to disrespect his dead child by giving up her sword so easily. Unless it's just not hers.
Nidai kitetsu
i also think Some major plot about to happen when zoro visit to see ryuma's grave
your theory is interesting if Zoro sees his own grave in ringo villiage near the Ryumas grave.
but i dont think there are new sword for zoro, he will defenitly replace nindai , if ninda owns to ushimaru it makes more sense
your theory is interesting if Zoro sees his own grave in ringo villiage near the Ryumas grave.
but i dont think there are new sword for zoro, he will defenitly replace nindai , if ninda owns to ushimaru it makes more sense
Either it’s lost or stolen or it doesn’t exist. But how graves get robbed in Wano I’m doubtful if it can ever be recovered if not for some coincidence or luck.
Zoro needs to have a new sword forged and make his own heritage with that sword. Not with Enma, not with Nidai Kitetsu or any such hand down sword.
The sword would be famous being used by Zoro to accomplish his dream of becoming the greatest and strongest swordsman.
Zoro currently has Enma-previously owned by Oden, Sandai Kitetsu- which is part of the Kitetsu grade swords and Wado Ichimonji- which is a hand down from Kuina. All of these are either previously owned or have some kind of heritage of their own. I want him to have an unique one of a kind sword like Yoru.
Zoro needs to have a new sword forged and make his own heritage with that sword. Not with Enma, not with Nidai Kitetsu or any such hand down sword.
The sword would be famous being used by Zoro to accomplish his dream of becoming the greatest and strongest swordsman.
Zoro currently has Enma-previously owned by Oden, Sandai Kitetsu- which is part of the Kitetsu grade swords and Wado Ichimonji- which is a hand down from Kuina. All of these are either previously owned or have some kind of heritage of their own. I want him to have an unique one of a kind sword like Yoru.
So I was re-reading a few previous chapters of the Wano arc, when I came across an interesting statement made by Kawamatsu.
He stated that when a child of Ringo is born, they are gifted a Katana, which stays with them through life, and becomes a Grave Marker for them, when they die.
Now the fall of Ringo happened 18 years prior to the current storyline, which would have made Zoro 3 years old at the time. The popular theory is that he was born in Wano/Ringo as a Shimotuski, and by some means eventually made it to East Blue. But if that is the case, then where is his birth Sword?
There is two likely scenarios here.
1) Zoro was not born in Wano as a Shimotsuki, as he would have been accustomed to this tradition just as every other child who was born into the Shimotsuki Family. Even Kuina, was given a Meito, which most likely was given to her at birth. So this tradition even applies to the Shimotsuki's who left Wano ages ago. So even if Zoro wasn't born on Wano, and was only conceived there before his mother made it to East Blue, he still should have been gifted a Katana upon his birth, even in East Blue.
2) His birth Sword is still on Wano, and this could make for a pretty interesting plot twist. If Zoro really was born on Wano, and the Shimotsuki Clan was wiped out, but before that could happen, Ushimaru sent his mother away, he would still need to answer for the fact that his wife and child are missing. What better way to do that, then to fake this deaths, and create mock graves. In Zoro's mock grave, there should be a Katana there. The one that would have been gifted to him upon his birth. Zoro did make the cooment that he wanted to visit the Grave of Ryuma, so at some point he will be going to Ringo's Graveyard. If that's the case, will he find his own Grave there? If that's true, then will we finally solve the mystery of the famous "Death" foreshadowing cover page for Zoro? It's not that he actually die, but instead, he already has "Died".
This also strikes another interesting question. Is Kuina really dead? The Shimotsuki's clearly follow the tradition of their family, even though they left Wano and travelled to East Blue, but Koshirou didn't place the Wado Ichimonji on her grave, as is the custom to a Shimotsuki who has died. He gave it to Zoro. If she really is dead, then will Zoro return to her grave, and place the Sword into it, once he becomes the World's Strongest Swordsman? Thus fulfilling both of their desires to become the WSS? He travelled the World with her Sword, made it one of the strongest, and then returns to place it upon her grave. That would be extremely poetic if that was the case.
So what do you guys think. Is there a grave and a Sword waiting for Zoro once he makes it to Ringo's grave? Or is he not a Shimotsuki? Or is he a Shimotsuki, but for some strange reason, was never given a birth Sword?
He stated that when a child of Ringo is born, they are gifted a Katana, which stays with them through life, and becomes a Grave Marker for them, when they die.
Now the fall of Ringo happened 18 years prior to the current storyline, which would have made Zoro 3 years old at the time. The popular theory is that he was born in Wano/Ringo as a Shimotuski, and by some means eventually made it to East Blue. But if that is the case, then where is his birth Sword?
There is two likely scenarios here.
1) Zoro was not born in Wano as a Shimotsuki, as he would have been accustomed to this tradition just as every other child who was born into the Shimotsuki Family. Even Kuina, was given a Meito, which most likely was given to her at birth. So this tradition even applies to the Shimotsuki's who left Wano ages ago. So even if Zoro wasn't born on Wano, and was only conceived there before his mother made it to East Blue, he still should have been gifted a Katana upon his birth, even in East Blue.
2) His birth Sword is still on Wano, and this could make for a pretty interesting plot twist. If Zoro really was born on Wano, and the Shimotsuki Clan was wiped out, but before that could happen, Ushimaru sent his mother away, he would still need to answer for the fact that his wife and child are missing. What better way to do that, then to fake this deaths, and create mock graves. In Zoro's mock grave, there should be a Katana there. The one that would have been gifted to him upon his birth. Zoro did make the cooment that he wanted to visit the Grave of Ryuma, so at some point he will be going to Ringo's Graveyard. If that's the case, will he find his own Grave there? If that's true, then will we finally solve the mystery of the famous "Death" foreshadowing cover page for Zoro? It's not that he actually die, but instead, he already has "Died".
This also strikes another interesting question. Is Kuina really dead? The Shimotsuki's clearly follow the tradition of their family, even though they left Wano and travelled to East Blue, but Koshirou didn't place the Wado Ichimonji on her grave, as is the custom to a Shimotsuki who has died. He gave it to Zoro. If she really is dead, then will Zoro return to her grave, and place the Sword into it, once he becomes the World's Strongest Swordsman? Thus fulfilling both of their desires to become the WSS? He travelled the World with her Sword, made it one of the strongest, and then returns to place it upon her grave. That would be extremely poetic if that was the case.
So what do you guys think. Is there a grave and a Sword waiting for Zoro once he makes it to Ringo's grave? Or is he not a Shimotsuki? Or is he a Shimotsuki, but for some strange reason, was never given a birth Sword?
Luffy doesn't look like Garp or Dragon or you think otherwise?
Sanji only has his father hair colour.
Sabo doesn't look a shit like his father.
Just look similar doesn't makes Zoro son of Ushimaru.
Just as Luffy is being portrayed to be Roger, he is not from his family. Ace is.
Same thing about Zoro.
Sanji only has his father hair colour.
Sabo doesn't look a shit like his father.
Just look similar doesn't makes Zoro son of Ushimaru.
Just as Luffy is being portrayed to be Roger, he is not from his family. Ace is.
Same thing about Zoro.