Controversial Which antagonist group was handled the worst in One Piece ?

[DarkWitch]

CP0
Introduced as the the strongest agency just to feature all the CP9 losers

Holy knights are what they should've been

If it was just Lucci and Kaku only that would have been fine, but nope he decided to add the other former members as CP0 as well.

So far gorosei

The Gorosei were fine, yeah Saturn ended up being kind of a joke but overall as a group they were shown as this unbeatable force that no one could fight against, with the only option being to escape.

 

[TheLastBerserker]

I dont know why people are harping about warlords after 20 years
Smoker, who is the "good" marine in the story, told 20 years ago that the system is shit and you cant trust a pirate

Its not like it was ever presented as a system that worked well, thats also why they got replaced, and not bunch of marines or wg agents, with the SSG

The warlords are IN STORY written t be a shit system

Making excuses for bad writing is not ok

 

[Buusatan94]

I dont know why people are harping about warlords after 20 years
Smoker, who is the "good" marine in the story, told 20 years ago that the system is shit and you cant trust a pirate

Its not like it was ever presented as a system that worked well, thats also why they got replaced, and not bunch of marines or wg agents, with the SSG

The warlords are IN STORY written t be a shit system

It only makes the World Government look more retarded to have created this system in the first place and to have kept it for so long despite all the signs right before their eyes that it wasn't worth the trouble.

 

[kekaro]

Making excuses for bad writing is not ok

You dont understand what bad writing is than.
Mihawk, a warlord in the first 50 capters, let multiple pirates go because he felt like it.
A character 150 chapters into the manga stated you cant trust a warlord that at that point was suppose to be a moral compass of the law side

The Gorosei were fine, yeah Saturn ended up being kind of a joke but overall as a group they were shown as this unbeatable force that no one could fight against, with the only option being to escape.

We were already demonstrated that they cant be beat with Saturn tho
By teleporting 4 other gorosei in that couldnt neither stop the sunny taking off nor taking out bonney in hybrid awakened mode they just memes now
It took out all the threat until their next showing for as far as we known could be in 5 years again

It only makes the World Government look more retarded to have created this system in the first place and to have kept it for so long despite all the signs right before their eyes that it wasn't worth the trouble.

As opposed to what, the WG being hyper competent somehow? Where does this come from? They couldnt even hide crocodiles defeat by luffy and gave spandam the task and authroity to find a ancien weapon lmao
The wg always was written to be comicly evil and stupid

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't think that Oda had a fucking clue about what to do with Big Mom.

I think he did just before WCI and then realize mid arc that he couldn't have her defeated with half the crew here.

But she was there and she had a beef with Luffy, he used Wano to get rid of her. Law and Kidd had nothing to do with her.

I think he should have waited for Luffy to be strong enough to take on BM before he brought her back into the story. With that said, I did enjoy some parts of WCI, Katakuri, Perospero, Mont D'or and Brûlée were good characters.

Capone has even become my second favourite WG character after Law (SH non included).

 

[gz89]

Animal kingdom Pirates.

 

[TheLastBerserker]

You dont understand what bad writing is than.
Mihawk, a warlord in the first 50 capters, let multiple pirates go because he felt like it.
A character 150 chapters into the manga stated you cant trust a warlord that at that point was suppose to be a moral compass of the law side


We were already demonstrated that they cant be beat with Saturn tho
By teleporting 4 other gorosei in that couldnt neither stop the sunny taking off nor taking out bonney in hybrid awakened mode they just memes now
It took out all the threat until their next showing for as far as we known could be in 5 years again

As opposed to what, the WG being hyper competent somehow? Where does this come from? They couldnt even hide crocodiles defeat by luffy and gave spandam the task and authroity to find a ancien weapon lmao
The wg always was written to be comicly evil and stupid

Having the Warlords be occasionally incompetent is a valid criticism, Mohawk hasn't made sense for a long time

 

[Paragorn]

Along with their mother as well. A titanic body with one of the most powerful and versatile devil fruits she uses creatively, plus a super scream, plus very strong haki, plus an interesting goal and dream and backstory; Big Mom had some insane potential both as a character and as a fighter.

Yet Oda ruined all of that, with some of his very worst writing in the entire manga.

There are also the non-Charlotte Big Mom Pirates such as Tamago who seemed to have lots of influence and respect within the crew and has one of the most unique devil fruits in the manga, Bobbin who was shot right after revealing his power, which surely had lots of potential (imagine all the possibilities with a sleep df) and seemed to have a particularly close relation with Big Mom, or Streusen who is Big Mom's father figure and surely the closest thing to King of Hearts for her as well and was said to be powerful and whose df has lots of potential as well, who were severaly underdevelopped and neglected. And there was that huge mess with Pekoms.

They stayed in that fucking boat like they couldn't go up after BM and Kaido made the alliance.
It just would have been too much for the alliance which brings the question: why did Oda bring BM to Wano except for getting rid of her and move on faster with the story?

I don't think that Oda had a fucking clue about what to do with Big Mom.

I think Big Mom in Wano was a mistake, i understand that's was the Yonkou saga and these characters needed to get done for the Final Saga, but when you read Wano, you can see Oda prioritized Kaido/Beast Pirates more than Big Mom.

It would have been easier, if BMPs had been defeated in a separate arc.

 

[kekaro]

Having the Warlords be occasionally incompetent is a valid criticism, Mohawk hasn't made sense for a long time

if i have 7 warlods
1 (the introduction, mind you) doesnt do jack
the second actively trying to usurp a WG Kingdom
and so on
how is that "occassionaly"?
The warlords are a shit system MAJORITY of the time, not the other way around
Even fucking kuma, the one that was brain washed, was making moves against the WG lmao

 

[Reborn]

Hordy Jones group - least interested group SHs faced.

Group which lost the perception of a threat - CP0 and those underworld brokers (as of now )

Handled worst - I think both Beast pirates and BM pirates fits into this category with some exceptions

 

[Paragorn]

Hordy Jones group - least interested group SHs faced.

Hody Jones group was supposed to be hypetools of the SHs for Oda to show us the training of the SHs, so they're just boring hypetools

 

[MegaSpider]

I don't think that Oda had a fucking clue about what to do with Big Mom.

Oda didn't want Luffy to beat up a woman. So he had outsiders of the crew do it.
Not just Luffy, nearly all male strawhats fight with "kids gloves" against female antagonists.

Sanji: Never hits women
Zoro: Refused to cut Monet and won by scaring her instead
Usopp: Wins vs Perona and Sugar by scaring them
Franky: Wins by kissing 1?

 

[MonsterKaido]

VAs if they fit into the description of antagonist. Most of them bunch of clowns.

 

[TheLastBerserker]

if i have 7 warlods
1 (the introduction, mind you) doesnt do jack
the second actively trying to usurp a WG Kingdom
and so on
how is that "occassionaly"?
The warlords are a shit system MAJORITY of the time, not the other way around
Even fucking kuma, the one that was brain washed, was making moves against the WG lmao

I mean incomptent in the form of being effective overall for the government
they were an amazing detterent for years and seemingly through multiple warlords
The issue with these ones is that..... they arent smart enough to be evil under wraps

 

[The White Crane]

Of the many antagonist groups who faced and opposed the Straw Hats, WG-affiliated or not, which one(s) do you think was/were handled in the worst way by Oda, either failing to make them interesting or destroying their credibility as an antagonist group and threat or both?

Beast Pirates hands down was done so fucking dirty by Lolda in their own arc. Barely felt like a crew and took a literal backseat because Lolda wanted to introduce a trillion other plot points only to drop 99% of them for the lulz.

Second place is obviously CP0. Introduced as a threat and ended up being the Anbu of One Piece.

 

[kekaro]

I mean incomptent in the form of being effective overall for the government
they were an amazing detterent for years and seemingly through multiple warlords
The issue with these ones is that..... they arent smart enough to be evil under wraps

They were a deterrent than too
Croco and the rest fucking around gonna change the fact they are deterrent when people believe there is still a chanche they could pull up if they attack the marines or wg

 

[Franosuke]

 

[TheLastBerserker]

They were a deterrent than too
Croco and the rest fucking around gonna change the fact they are deterrent when people believe there is still a chanche they could pull up if they attack the marines or wg

The Seraphim really do fuck with the overall power of the marines/WG, they really shouldnt be under the Gorosei but Vegapunk was a moron

 

[kekaro]

The Seraphim really do fuck with the overall power of the marines/WG, they really shouldnt be under the Gorosei but Vegapunk was a moron

Well we dont know what happen with the seraphim
From the little we saw tho they are very effective. They were sent as soon as they were completed to amazon lili and somewhere else and did their orders.
And there is a high chanche they will suprass their orginal when they grow so a win win for WG imo. Just because gorosei have the ultimate authority doesnt mean marines cant use them, like coby we already saw

 

[TheLastBerserker]

Well we dont know what happen with the seraphim
From the little we saw tho they are very effective. They were sent as soon as they were completed to amazon lili and somewhere else and did their orders.
And there is a high chanche they will suprass their orginal when they grow so a win win for WG imo. Just because gorosei have the ultimate authority doesnt mean marines cant use them, like coby we already saw

If the Gorosei have ultimate authority it is irrelevant that others can command them.