General & Others Who are Luffy’s real rivals?

#61
There are some parallels who are intended and then some who are not really parallels.

Examples :

•Luffy/Roger, Zoro/Rayleigh -> clear parallels.
•BB/Rocks -> clear parallel.

•Does Luffy have a WB? No, nothing indicates that he has one and there isn't anyone who fits that role right now.

•Does Luffy have a Garp? I don't think so either. Garp and Roger may have had a nakama like relationship but they also almost killed each other many times. Smoker is not strong enough to take the role, Koby post EoS will be strong enough but his relationship with Luffy isn't shaping up to be the one Garp had with Roger. With that said, Luffy clearly has a marine enemy (Akainu) but again, his relationship with him is different from the Roger/Garp dynamic.
 
#62
There are some parallels who are intended and then some who are not really parallels.

Examples :

•Luffy/Roger, Zoro/Rayleigh -> clear parallels.
•BB/Rocks -> clear parallel.

•Does Luffy have a WB? No, nothing indicates that he has one and there isn't anyone who fits that role right now.

•Does Luffy have a Garp? I don't think so either. Garp and Roger may have had a nakama like relationship but they also almost killed each other many times. Smoker is not strong enough to take the role, Koby post EoS will be strong enough but his relationship with Luffy isn't shaping up to be the one Garp had with Roger. With that said, Luffy clearly has a marine enemy (Akainu) but again, his relationship with him is different from the Roger/Garp dynamic.
Kaido & Big Mom = Rocks Parallel
Blackbeard = Whitebeard Parallel (with a dash of Rocks)
 
#63
Luffy doesn't have a true rival. Kid is not Luffy's rival. He is just another pirate competing against Luffy for One Piece. If you considers him Luffy's rival for that then everyone competing for One Piece are rivals.
Yes because every other Pirate is a conquerer in the worst generation, with a Worst Generation Vice Captain, with 100 different parallels to Luffy. Lol. How wrong you are to compare a guy with Kidd’s willpower and fearlessness with every other pirate who wants One Piece. It’s not just the fact that Kidd is a captain that wants One Piece that makes them rivals. You actually sound dumb as hell. Oda has made it very obvious that Kidd is in fact, not like the others and that he is one of very very few that can match not only Luffy’s ambition but his willpower as well, which is everything in One Piece.

For the Marines, there’s Coby and Smoker, and we’ll just have to see what Oda does when he reintroduces them. Smoker has acted more like Garp throughout the series, but Coby came first and is obviosuly being built up for something.

Kid is a failure as a rival. He’s never fought against Luffy, only alongside him, his crew is, Killer excepted, garbage, and what little achievements he have pales alongside Luffy. He’s like the typical Shonen Rival who gets beaten by the hero, starts working alongside them and ends up completely overshadowed. Like Renji in Bleach. Or Gaara or Neji. Except Kid doesn’t even have the period where he was a legit opponent to Luffy the way those guys were.
So Smoker and Koby are rivals, but Kidd is a ”faliure of a rival“? Makes complete sense lol. Fact of the matter is Kidd is the only character in One Piece that Oda has shown to be Luffy’s rival weather people want to admit it or not. Blackbeard will be Luffy’s greatest nemesis, not his rival.
 
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#65
So Smoker and Koby are rivals, but Kidd is a ”faliure of a rival“? Makes complete sense lol.
Well yes, you see, Coby and Smoker have actually tried to fight Luffy. Smoker’s even beaten him up a few times. When it comes to up and coming Marines who could be considered rivals of Luffy, it’s clear that you to to Smoker and Coby.

Kid’s a pirate and in a completely different category, but even if you are to compare them, Kid comes out a loser.

Fact of the matter is Kidd is the only character in One Piece that Oda has shown to be Luffy’s rival weather people want to admit it or not.
Ah yes, and he’s shown this by
-never having the two of them fight
-having the two of them fight on the same team twice
-giving Luffy nine outstanding crewmates, while Kid only has one with the rest being garbage

This is what a real rivalry looks like


Not this



 
#66
Well yes, you see, Coby and Smoker have actually tried to fight Luffy. Smoker’s even beaten him up a few times. When it comes to up and coming Marines who could be considered rivals of Luffy, it’s clear that you to to Smoker and Coby.

Kid’s a pirate and in a completely different category, but even if you are to compare them, Kid comes out a loser.



Ah yes, and he’s shown this by
-never having the two of them fight
-having the two of them fight on the same team twice
-giving Luffy nine outstanding crewmates, while Kid only has one with the rest being garbage

This is what a real rivalry looks like


Not this



Kid knocked down bigmom With one shot i guess. Dont mind what kaido said at ch1001 cuz after that 5 of supernovas did damage to him
 
#68
Well yes, you see, Coby and Smoker have actually tried to fight Luffy. Smoker’s even beaten him up a few times. When it comes to up and coming Marines who could be considered rivals of Luffy, it’s clear that you to to Smoker and Coby.

Kid’s a pirate and in a completely different category, but even if you are to compare them, Kid comes out a loser.



Ah yes, and he’s shown this by
-never having the two of them fight
-having the two of them fight on the same team twice
-giving Luffy nine outstanding crewmates, while Kid only has one with the rest being garbage

This is what a real rivalry looks like


Not this



Were these pages supposed to prove they aren’t rivals or something? Every point you made against Kidd being the rival are ones that have a very high chance of being addressed.

- There is a very good chance Luffy and Kidd fight in the future.

- Kidd has a pretty good chance at learning to use CoC with his attacks as well in this current BM fight. When Luffy and Kidd fight they could easily have a similar clash of wills to that Roger/WB panel you posted.

- Kidd could easily get a better crew post Wano, if he impresses in the war and has character development to trust others. (Which is where it seems like his character is going). He has CoC so I’m sure Oda will show Kidd being a great leader in some way or form.

- You posted the panels of Kidd being shocked at Luffy hurting Kaido bad, but there is 99% chance he ends up hurting Big Mom bad so why do they matter?

You seem to be not even giving Oda a chance to show Kidd as a rival. Remember this arc is Kidds first arc where he is playing a “main part” in the story. (In the New World). How is Kidd supposed to fight Luffy when they are never on the same islands? Whenever they meet they usually have a common much greater enemy, like “rival” Smoker and Luffy did in Punk Hazard. There will come a time when their goals go against each other, watch.

Anyway your whole, “Kidd hasn’t fought Luffy so they aren’t rivals.” is awful reasoning. As long as they are heading towards the same goal they are basically competing anyway. You’re ignoring the author throwing in your face that they are rivals through their character interactions, their goals and willpower, their parallels, their respective opponents currently on Onigashima, and the fact that characters in the manga have literally called them rivals all because they haven’t fought yet.

But Smoker, who got clowned by Law already in Punk Hazard and Koby who licks Luffy’s feet and got one shot by him are better rivals because they have “fought“ him. Lol when Luffy and Kidd fight they will make Koby and Smokers “fights“ with Luffy look like Kindergarten scuffles.
 
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#69
So Smoker and Koby are rivals, but Kidd is a ”faliure of a rival“? Makes complete sense lol. Fact of the matter is Kidd is the only character in One Piece that Oda has shown to be Luffy’s rival weather people want to admit it or not. Blackbeard will be Luffy’s greatest nemesis, not his rival.
Blackbeard will be both. Blackbeard will bask in the "greatest nemesis" role with Akainu.
 
#72
Both are Luffy's rival, but Blackbeard will be his greatest one and is the obvious Whitebeard parallel.
EOS, when Luffy becomes PK, if he’s alive, there will be one man on the seas still trying to compete with him and it will be Kidd. Blackbeard plays the role of Xebec being the strongest/greatest pirate against Luffy, his final pirate obstacle. Kidd plays the WB/Shiki role of being the eternal rival. Blackbeard does not have a rivalry relationship with Luffy. Just because he is stronger than Kidd does not mean he is a “greater rival“.
 
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#73
Bellamy is Luffy's biggest rival in getting one-shotted. Jack is his biggest rival in getting L's. Coby is Luffy's biggest rival in getting insane power ups in short period of time and in protagonism power if he captures Hancock.
 
#74
This is Blackbeard’s reaction to Luffy being named a Yonko. The same title as himself.


Blackbeard views himself as much above Luffy and he is. Luffy hates Blackbeard like a mortal enemy. It isn’t a rivalry relationship. Blackbeard’s rival is Shanks.
 
#76
There is a very good chance Luffy and Kidd fight in the future.
No there isn’t. There is nothing at all that suggests we’re going to have an arc where Eustass Kid is the main villain. After Wano it’s the beginning of the end, Luffy ready to face Shanks, time for Blackbeard and the World Gov.

There’s no point in wasting time in a fight against Kid when everyone already knows Luffy is stronger than him, Zoro is stronger than Killer and that Sanji could solo the rest of his trash crew.

Kidd has a pretty good chance at learning to use CoC with his attacks as well in this current BM fight. When Luffy and Kidd fight they could easily have a similar clash of wills to that Roger/WB panel you posted.
It doesn’t matter if Kid learns to use CoC attacks anymore than if Zoro starts throwing it out regualrly. Neither of the two will ever fight Luffy with it.

Kidd could easily get a better crew post Wano, if he impresses in the war and has character development to trust others. (Which is where it seems like his character is going). He has CoC so I’m sure Oda will show Kidd being a great leader in some way or form.
So Kid’s going to magically pick up crewmates strong enough to fight Sanji, Jinbei, Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper, Usopp and Nami despite the fact he’s never had a single interaction with any character that would suggest he’ll recruit them.

I won’t hold my breath.

The extent of Kid’s “character development” is him realising that he needs to work alongside Luffy and Zoro.
You posted the panels of Kidd being shocked at Luffy hurting Kaido bad, but there is 99% chance he ends up hurting Big Mom bad so why do they matter?
It matters because it is yet another example of Luffy being a step in front of Kid. Oda had the opportunity in the roof to put Luffy and Kid on the same level- instead, Kid was looking on with slackjawed amazement as Luffy did something he couldn’t even imagine was possible. Kid’s own right hand man only feels they have a shot against the Kaido because of Luffy.

You seem to be not even giving Oda a chance to show Kidd as a riva
Eh, no, I’ve gave Oda plenty of chances to show Kid as a rival. It’s not like he’s someone that’s barely been in the series. He was introduced over ten years ago, and it was Oda’s decision that instead of making Luffy and Kid stay neck and neck with each other, he had Luffy storm miles in front of him in every respect.

Remember this arc is Kidds first arc where he is playing a “main part” in the story. How is Kidd supposed to fight Luffy when they are never on the same islands? Whenever they meet they usually have a common much greater enemy. There will come a time when their goals go against each other, watch.
And Oda decided in Kid’s first arc to make him team up with Luffy.

Exactly like, funnily enough, Law. Who people also insisted would be Luffy’s rival for years before finally accepting that wasn’t actually where the story was going and he was his ally instead.
As long as they are heading towards the same goal they are basically competing anyway
Making Kid no different from a host of pirates we’ve seen throughout the series.
You’re ignoring the author throwing in your face that they are rivals through their character interactions, their goals and willpower, their parallels, and the fact that characters in the manga have literally called them rivals all because they haven’t fought yet.
No, I’m actually seeing the role Kid is playing. Luffy’s tsundere ally. Who have stupid little competitions, but when it comes to the things that matter Luffy is miles in front.
But Smoker, who got clowned by Law already in Punk Hazard and Koby who licks Luffy’s feet and got one shot by him are better rivals because they have “fought“ him. Lol when Luffy and Kidd fight they will make Koby and Smokers “fights“ with Luffy look like Kindergarten scuffles.
Imagine a Kid fan trying to call anything “kindergarten scuffles” when that is as perfect a description of the Luffy/Kid relationship that will ever exist

“I’m going to beat more fodder than you!”
“I can carry more than you!” “Nuh uh, I can!”
”I’m going to beat Kaido!“ “Shut up stupid, I will!”
”Stop ignoring me, Yonko, stop paying attention to Luffy!”
”First one who flinches loses!”

Wow, such depth, such maturity, we have truly never seen a rivalry like it.
 
#77
BM=BM
BB=Xebec
Kidd=WB
Law=Shiki

Marines r a fucking mess. Smoker and Tishigi r the only persuers, but r hella weak. Smoker is also double Luffy's age. Cobby makes more sense since hes closer to Luffy's age, wants to grow within the marines, was trained by Garp and actually seems like a compotent fighter. But he doesnt pursue Luffy and admires him. Maybe in the future hell be forced to chase Luffy after he becomes PK. Akainu is too old and is FA, hes prolly closer to whichever role Kong played in Roger's life.
 
#78
EOS, when Luffy becomes PK, if he’s alive, there will be one man on the seas still trying to compete with him and it will be Kidd. Blackbeard plays the role of Xebec being the strongest/greatest pirate against Luffy, his final pirate obstacle. Kidd plays the WB/Shiki role of being the eternal rival. Blackbeard does not have a rivalry relationship with Luffy. Just because he is stronger than Kidd does not mean he is a “greater rival“.
If Kid is behind Luffy in strength, he can't be his greatest rival by default. At best, he is Luffy's greatest foil among his fellow Supernovas, which means fuck all in the bigger picture.

Blackbeard and Luffy are looking for the One Piece, yes? They are rivals by default. When Luffy becomes Pirate King, Blackbeard will be the silver medalist. Blackbeard is an evil version of Whitebeard and with a dash of Xebec, but it's really Kaido and Big Mom who fill the "Xebec" role.
 
#79
Who matters is who will be Luffy's real rival aka his Xebec and that is the inheritor of Xebec's will as Luffy is the inheritor of Roger. Then I guess his Garp will be Coby while there is really no WB in sight for him but if that exist it is either Law or Kidd (and will not be an equal amyway).
 
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