Character Discussion Who from the monster trio is more privileged?

Shisui

3 Palestine
Eat shit


Zoan fruits have a will of THEIR own


What happened to me ?

Why can I still stand ?


Learn how to read
You are the last person to tell anyone to learn how to read mr "Zoro will cut off Kaido's head at the flower capital cos Oda told me so"..goofy ass mf

"What happened to me" yet he knew how to restart his own heart in a min or so...

I asked you a question, where was this awakening all the time Luffy needed help? Why not come to his rescue against Magellan you donut?? Man said the fruit was taking a nap for over 1000+ chaps and waited for the perfect moment to wake up and take over Luffy like Kurama..Funny man:milaugh:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
You are the last person to tell anyone to learn how to read mr "Zoro will cut off Kaido's head at the flower capital cos Oda told me so"..goofy ass mf

"What happened to me" yet he knew how to restart his own heart in a min or so...

I asked you a question, where was this awakening all the time Luffy needed help? Why not come to his rescue against Magellan you donut?? Man said the fruit was taking a nap for over 1000+ chaps and waited for the perfect moment to wake up and take over Luffy like Kurama..Funny man:milaugh:
There's a difference in being wrong on something in the future and not being able to read something THATS ALREADY WRITTEN
Luffy didn't die at any of those points tard
Why would it need to do anything.
You've just been bodied.
It's on panel
Luffy himself has no idea what happened
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Privilege wise :

Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
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Zoro dream is to be the WSS

And he is the descendant of the strongest sword master in history and is his carbon copy

And he was given at age 10 one of the 32 best sword in the world

it’s more privilege than Sanji

(I don’t consider being trained by Mihawk privilege because Zoro earned that : his baratie duel and him kneeling etc)
 
Privilege wise :

Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
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Zoro dream is to be the WSS

And he is the descendant of the strongest sword master in history and is his carbon copy

And he was given at age 10 one of the 32 best sword in the world

it’s more privilege than Sanji

(I don’t consider being trained by Mihawk privilege because Zoro earned that : his baratie duel and him kneeling etc)
dumb argument on descendant and carbon copy

what does dreams gotta do with privilege


yeah a sword worth 10 mil
 
Luffy (destined child + lot more) >> Sanji (genetically modified) > Zoro (conqueror)

How is this debatable lol.

Privilege wise :

Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
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Zoro dream is to be the WSS

And he is the descendant of the strongest sword master in history and is his carbon copy

And he was given at age 10 one of the 32 best sword in the world

it’s more privilege than Sanji

(I don’t consider being trained by Mihawk privilege because Zoro earned that : his baratie duel and him kneeling etc)
How is having like 0.0001% Ryuma blood directly, and maybe like 1% Ryuma blood indirectly if we're being generous, make Zoro a carbon copy of Ryuma?
At this point, one can at best reasonably argue that Zoro has maybe inherited Ryuma's will, but that's about it really.

Zoro's real privilege is having conquerors haki, that's it really. Maybe you could argue Wado also, cause he had to earn everything else.
 
Luffy (destined child + lot more) >> Sanji (genetically modified) > Zoro (conqueror)

How is this debatable lol.



How is having like 0.0001% Ryuma blood directly, and maybe like 1% Ryuma blood indirectly if we're being generous, make Zoro a carbon copy of Ryuma?
At this point, one can at best reasonably argue that Zoro has maybe inherited Ryuma's will, but that's about it really.

Zoro's real privilege is having conquerors haki, that's it really. Maybe you could argue Wado also, cause he had to earn everything else.
change zoro' hair color and he's basically ryuma, there's a lot more ryuma genes on him than you think
 

Shisui

3 Palestine
There's a difference in being wrong on something in the future and not being able to read something THATS ALREADY WRITTEN
Luffy didn't die at any of those points tard
Why would it need to do anything.
You've just been bodied.
It's on panel
Luffy himself has no idea what happened
No one is bodying anyone in an anime forum your neek. Explain how Luffy restarted his heart you muppet if he had no idea how he awakened his fruit? How does he know g5 was the peak of his powers??? Did the fruit whisper it to him???
Zoan fruits randomly act like Kurama when the user dies but Orochi's fruit decided to go on annual leave when he died:seriously:
Better yet, why is Kaido's fruit not lifting him out of the lava after he supposedly died??
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The one who doesn’t fight without weapons.
No one mentioned Garp
 
Wait a second.

Why does "being privileged" even really matter?

IRL also the dudes who make it are genetically gifted.
Yes, they are also very much hard working. But without great genetics it wouldn't matter, hard work alone won't make it. That's the world we live in.

If you want to be amongst the best scientist, you need amongst the highest IQ (genetics).
If you want to be amongst the richest, you need amongst the highest IQ (plus being corrupt to an extend as well).
The best fighters, athletes will also have amongst the best physical genetics.


At some core level, it does explain why some characters in OP are simply stronger than others naturally.
What did teenage monster trio do to become the 3 strongest characters in east blue? Sure they trained, but training for childhood and teenage years alone won't make you stronger than adults you have arguably trained a lot as well, especially Arlong pirates who are fishmen on average 10 times stronger than average humans.


Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are all genetically "privileged" and it is OK.
That doesn't take away all the hard work they put, challenges they faced and dedication that they put in to reach where they are now (especially Luffy and Zoro) .


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Let's examine this a bit further.
Above was just me giving a defence of the genetics.


A major theme in one piece is also willpower and determination. Haki is materialization of these.

Willpower becomes your strength. You unbreakable will, determination, fighting spirit, hard work - they become your power.

This is further exemplified with the statement than conqueror's haki cannot even be trained in conventional methods. It just grows along with you, and if your fighting spirit gets stronger so will you conqueror's haki.
This is why 1026 Luffy had a higher conqueror's haki than 1010 Luffy, because his defeat increased his determination to take down Kaido even further.
This is why Zoro, who had only just awakened conqueror's haki, could materialize immediately conqueror's haki on the same level as Oden (albiet only for a limited duration of time).
This is quite fitting because it's quite a no brainer than Luffy and Zoro easily have demonstrated the strongest willpowers and determination amongst the new gen.


Now here is the issue though.
Even though Oda has linked conqueror's haki to "kingly ambitions/dreams" and inhuman willpower/determination multiple times throughout the series; he has also pretty much confirmed that you get born with conqueror's haki as well.

While in some level it could be argued that genetics does play a role in willpower, I hope we can all agree that willpower is amongst the most malleable aspect of a person.

In my opinion, conqueror's haki should've just been the manifestation of extreme willpower, ambition and determination.
This would fit perfectly into the kingly ambitions and determination thematic/narrative that one-piece/Oda is trying to promote, especially with conqueror's haki.
Instead of "only one in several millions just being born with conqueror's haki", it should've been "only one in several millions develop it because they are worthy of it"


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Coming to Luffy and destiny.

IMO the original (or inital) concept of destiny that was introduced/implied in the series was perfectly fine - the inheritance of will power!
This was what Whitebeard had explained in his final speech as well. An inheritance of will that isn't limited by bloodline either. Not all inheritors of Joyboy's will was D either, as evidenced by Shanks being one, and he is likely even a celestial dragon.

Let Luffy be the destined child, the child who inherited Joyboy's will through passage of the Strawhat. He, like those before him who inherited the Strawhat, became the destined child due to a strong willpower that they demonstrated.

My issue with the new concept of destiny is that it seems like the time and date were also important set through some prophesy. Roger couldn't enact Joyboy's will simply because he was too early.
Why and how does this fit in with one piece's core thematics - which is willpower, determination and dreams?

Instead of Luffy's DF being a normal paramecia that he made strong through his creativity and dedication, it turned out to be Joyboy's DF which is mythical zoan Sun God Nika.
And this DF had a will of it's own, eluded the near omnipotent and all powerful WG for 800 years, and chose Luffy to be the one who ate it. The implication from this is that Luffy didn't become the destined child, but was instead born as the destined child.
What really is the thematic/narrative purpose of this, and how does it fit with the thematics?


My problem isn't even really here that Luffy is from D clan, and especially the legendary monkey family of the D clan (two immediate ancestors being top tiers). Or that he has Joyboy's will.
After all, it is natural that top tiers have great genetics, the importance of D clan was long hinted, and the inheritance of will is a theme in OP.
It is that he was by birth destined to be this.
 
CoC is a rare power. Hereditary or you are born with it.
Afaik, Zoro's entire ancestors weren't CoC users (not even Ryuma until it's confirmed).
His parents are fodders that even Oda didn't give them a proper story. Everytime he gets a sword, he needs to earn it. Training everyday to achieve what he wants but ends up knocking the gate of death to become stronger.
That's being privileged for you ?

Wanna compare with Luffy who got coc from dragon ? Got a DF power that is a mythical zoan who is "the most ridiculous power in the world" ? Protected by garp, Dragon and even Rayleigh ? Reincarnation of Roger and Joy Boy ? That's being privileged.

Sanji, completely made from a bottle ? Born in a rich and influential family ? If Sanji wasn't Sanji, he could have lived like a king, fucking, buying, trashing anyone, 0 work, eating well.
That's being privileged.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
No one is bodying anyone in an anime forum your neek. Explain how Luffy restarted his heart you muppet if he had no idea how he awakened his fruit? How does he know g5 was the peak of his powers??? Did the fruit whisper it to him???
Zoan fruits randomly act like Kurama when the user dies but Orochi's fruit decided to go on annual leave when he died:seriously:
Better yet, why is Kaido's fruit not lifting him out of the lava after he supposedly died??
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No one mentioned Garp
He didn't restart his heart. The fruit did. You dumb shit.
He literally acknowledged he didn't know what was going on. You have no point
 

Shisui

3 Palestine
He didn't restart his heart. The fruit did. You dumb shit.
He literally acknowledged he didn't know what was going on. You have no point
So when Luffy told his heart to hit the beat. You mean to tell me his df suddenly became a doctor and pump his heart:milaugh:
You are so full of shit I swr:suresure:


You said Zoan fruits awaken when the users die. Where did Kaido and Orochi's fruits go after their deaths??? Answer the ques :few:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
So when Luffy told his heart to hit the beat. You mean to tell me his df suddenly became a doctor and pump his heart:milaugh:
You are so full of shit I swr:suresure:


You said Zoan fruits awaken when the users die. Where did Kaido and Orochi's fruits go after their deaths??? Answer the ques :few:
You retard
Is that restarting a heart lmfao
No

Why can't he ?
In g2 he was making his blood flow faster with his powers why can't he make his heart beat faster


No I didn't say zoans.

I said LUFFYS fruit did is you stupid shit. LUFFYS
 
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