Who is the Number 1 General of Qin right now?
Ousen the only number one amongst Qin and soon to be number of whole china. Only man alive who had been compared with the likes of great HakuKi. So what if he fight only those battles which he can win. That statement came because of not taking any actions against KyouEn but he succeeded in making KyouEn not move anywhere as well.
Also he has defeated Riboku so what's the meaning of not fighting a war which he can't win. Only general above Riboku alive is Renpa (or might be someone from Qi later on).
Reasons :
-Renpa’s lost at Sanyou because of Ousen holding off KyouEn the whole without even lifting a sword.
-Karin's plan failed due to either his insticts or calculations.
- Putting Ordo (after destroying his core army) in a situation where he can't move either forward or backward. Lol
- Mentioned on the same level as Qin six by Koshou and that was way back in past when SHK was under the tutelage of Koshou.
- Putting Riboku in adverse situations in his own turf.
- Defeating the so called "most dangerous man" Riboku. Lol
Yes and he was the leader of Qin six previously. HakuKi was hyped up by Renpa and KyouEn for being toughest to handle who has the record of being undefeatable.
I think that was the statement only for current alive generals in Qin.
Also Moubu's wank is quite high in this thread. Lol
MouBu is just strongest amongst Qin generals because of physical strength. Later on that will be in whole china. Currently any great general of the caliber of Ousen or Riboku with there core army can crush his army.
Unless MouBu could get a great strategist, all of his strength is for just that title. Like there was pair of RanBiHaku with ReiOu or Houken with Riboku. MOUKI hasn't reached that level yet.
As for Moubu still defending the south against Karin, there are few things :
Karin took post of prime minister in 241 BC while coalition ended in 238 BC. For these three years Chu's king, SSK and Rien were busy playing politics and planning future male hier for Chu. Along this From Rien we got to know about Karin's having 300k men and mainly those stationed at southern of Chu (opposite to Qin for having no confusions). So i doubt if Karin was keeping check on MouBu at that time. According Mouten's dialogues it began after Karin became prime minister but still only positioning troops but no big actions.
Around a few months later (or even a year at most as campaign begins in eleventh year of Sei's reign while Karin became prime minister in the 2nd half of tenth year of Sei's reign) Zhao campaign begins. After the beginning of the Zhao campaign till now there was just one major incident on the southern borders and that was capturing regions of Juuko.
Chapter 513 is clear proof of Karin not taking any actions against Qin. Karin was busy in court whole time. Moubu was there for keeping tabs on Chu. That's all.
Major I still couldn't find this statement of SHK.
Just a few things which he heard from his master Koshou and that he's head Ou family. Not much about his real actions. King Sho never put him on battlefield. Ousen introduced in Qin army only a few years back and as a deputy under MouGu, that is approximately 5 or 6 years back at most of Coalition war. Considering the timing mentioned in Sanyou arc when Ouki visited Renpa. And number of the years of EiSei's reign were mentioned.
SHK knew a lot more about MouBu as he had stayed with him for quite a long time compared to what he has seen of Ousen or heard back in past.
Here SBK said about Ousen possessing so many unknown factors but still SHK and SBK gave him such a big job to protect Pass at its most critical moment, and the way Ousen did this was even beyond there expectations. Even great SHK or experienced SBK couldn't calculated such results.
On one hand they didn't knew everything about Ousen and knew how untrustworthy he is, they still gave him such big task. That's only due to his capabilities.
While Major, about SHK betting everything on MouBu, that was only because of him knowing his physical strength and knowing most about MouBu among all the Qin generals. He has seen everything about MouBu beforehand. His trust over Moubu was only due to this case. That's why the most important job given to Moubu. You believe what you see more than what you heard.
While in Ousen's case just heard a few things from Koshou But that wasn't all of Ousen. Because that was quite back in past for what Koshou said. Later learned few after seeing him in military service. Ousen was on six GG level according to Koshou when SHK was learning from Koshou. Lol
(In chapter 499. Not going to post all pics. Lol).
The capabilities of Tou, Kanki and Ousen were pretty much unknown to everyone. For Tou, Moubu was questioning his strength. Even Rokuomi wasn't completely aware of Tou's capabilities. For Kanki even Riboku till now is confused. For Ousen, SBK and SHK already mentioned. They only knew of him possessing capabilities on the same level as Ouki and recognized by Koshou who was the master of SHK, but that's all. While Renpa promotes it to the level of HakuKi, by just seeing him in action once.
KouEn was leading the Chu army while Kanmei as deputy of KouEn was sent forward to meet OuKotsu after which Kanmei defeated OuKotsu. But this will goes as GG KouEn's victory.
Here :
Believe it or not, Ousen's portrayal and feats right from the very beginning of his appearance is way above any Qin generals currently alive.
Also he has defeated Riboku so what's the meaning of not fighting a war which he can't win. Only general above Riboku alive is Renpa (or might be someone from Qi later on).
Reasons :
-Renpa’s lost at Sanyou because of Ousen holding off KyouEn the whole without even lifting a sword.
-Karin's plan failed due to either his insticts or calculations.
- Putting Ordo (after destroying his core army) in a situation where he can't move either forward or backward. Lol
- Mentioned on the same level as Qin six by Koshou and that was way back in past when SHK was under the tutelage of Koshou.
- Putting Riboku in adverse situations in his own turf.
- Defeating the so called "most dangerous man" Riboku. Lol
Yes and he was the leader of Qin six previously. HakuKi was hyped up by Renpa and KyouEn for being toughest to handle who has the record of being undefeatable.
I think that was the statement only for current alive generals in Qin.
Also Moubu's wank is quite high in this thread. Lol
MouBu is just strongest amongst Qin generals because of physical strength. Later on that will be in whole china. Currently any great general of the caliber of Ousen or Riboku with there core army can crush his army.
Unless MouBu could get a great strategist, all of his strength is for just that title. Like there was pair of RanBiHaku with ReiOu or Houken with Riboku. MOUKI hasn't reached that level yet.
As for Moubu still defending the south against Karin, there are few things :
Karin took post of prime minister in 241 BC while coalition ended in 238 BC. For these three years Chu's king, SSK and Rien were busy playing politics and planning future male hier for Chu. Along this From Rien we got to know about Karin's having 300k men and mainly those stationed at southern of Chu (opposite to Qin for having no confusions). So i doubt if Karin was keeping check on MouBu at that time. According Mouten's dialogues it began after Karin became prime minister but still only positioning troops but no big actions.
Around a few months later (or even a year at most as campaign begins in eleventh year of Sei's reign while Karin became prime minister in the 2nd half of tenth year of Sei's reign) Zhao campaign begins. After the beginning of the Zhao campaign till now there was just one major incident on the southern borders and that was capturing regions of Juuko.
Chapter 513 is clear proof of Karin not taking any actions against Qin. Karin was busy in court whole time. Moubu was there for keeping tabs on Chu. That's all.
Major I still couldn't find this statement of SHK.
Just a few things which he heard from his master Koshou and that he's head Ou family. Not much about his real actions. King Sho never put him on battlefield. Ousen introduced in Qin army only a few years back and as a deputy under MouGu, that is approximately 5 or 6 years back at most of Coalition war. Considering the timing mentioned in Sanyou arc when Ouki visited Renpa. And number of the years of EiSei's reign were mentioned.
SHK knew a lot more about MouBu as he had stayed with him for quite a long time compared to what he has seen of Ousen or heard back in past.
Here SBK said about Ousen possessing so many unknown factors but still SHK and SBK gave him such a big job to protect Pass at its most critical moment, and the way Ousen did this was even beyond there expectations. Even great SHK or experienced SBK couldn't calculated such results.
On one hand they didn't knew everything about Ousen and knew how untrustworthy he is, they still gave him such big task. That's only due to his capabilities.
While Major, about SHK betting everything on MouBu, that was only because of him knowing his physical strength and knowing most about MouBu among all the Qin generals. He has seen everything about MouBu beforehand. His trust over Moubu was only due to this case. That's why the most important job given to Moubu. You believe what you see more than what you heard.
While in Ousen's case just heard a few things from Koshou But that wasn't all of Ousen. Because that was quite back in past for what Koshou said. Later learned few after seeing him in military service. Ousen was on six GG level according to Koshou when SHK was learning from Koshou. Lol
(In chapter 499. Not going to post all pics. Lol).
The capabilities of Tou, Kanki and Ousen were pretty much unknown to everyone. For Tou, Moubu was questioning his strength. Even Rokuomi wasn't completely aware of Tou's capabilities. For Kanki even Riboku till now is confused. For Ousen, SBK and SHK already mentioned. They only knew of him possessing capabilities on the same level as Ouki and recognized by Koshou who was the master of SHK, but that's all. While Renpa promotes it to the level of HakuKi, by just seeing him in action once.
KouEn was leading the Chu army while Kanmei as deputy of KouEn was sent forward to meet OuKotsu after which Kanmei defeated OuKotsu. But this will goes as GG KouEn's victory.
Here :
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Believe it or not, Ousen's portrayal and feats right from the very beginning of his appearance is way above any Qin generals currently alive.
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What panel is he established as the Greatest Qin 6 in the manga?
- Leader of Qin 6 doesn't mean he's the greatest Qin 6. Considering Ko Shou is rumored to be the mastermind behind the Qin 6, and that also doesn't mean he's the greatest.
- He was hyped by Hakuki due to the type of individual he was and because of who Renpa was. Renpa is all about being upfront, Hakuki is all about cautiousness.
No Ouki was widely renowned as the most powerful general of the Qin 6. Referring to his prowess as a general and not just mere Martial Might. Within the Kingdom-verse the widely held opinion is Ouki > Hakuki.
- Leader of Qin 6 doesn't mean he's the greatest Qin 6. Considering Ko Shou is rumored to be the mastermind behind the Qin 6, and that also doesn't mean he's the greatest.
- He was hyped by Hakuki due to the type of individual he was and because of who Renpa was. Renpa is all about being upfront, Hakuki is all about cautiousness.
No Ouki was widely renowned as the most powerful general of the Qin 6. Referring to his prowess as a general and not just mere Martial Might. Within the Kingdom-verse the widely held opinion is Ouki > Hakuki.
What panel is he established as the Greatest Qin 6 in the manga?
- Leader of Qin 6 doesn't mean he's the greatest Qin 6. Considering Ko Shou is rumored to be the mastermind behind the Qin 6, and that also doesn't mean he's the greatest.
- He was hyped by Hakuki due to the type of individual he was and because of who Renpa was. Renpa is all about being upfront, Hakuki is all about cautiousness.
No Ouki was widely renowned as the most powerful general of the Qin 6. Referring to his prowess as a general and not just mere Martial Might. Within the Kingdom-verse the widely held opinion is Ouki > Hakuki.
- Leader of Qin 6 doesn't mean he's the greatest Qin 6. Considering Ko Shou is rumored to be the mastermind behind the Qin 6, and that also doesn't mean he's the greatest.
- He was hyped by Hakuki due to the type of individual he was and because of who Renpa was. Renpa is all about being upfront, Hakuki is all about cautiousness.
No Ouki was widely renowned as the most powerful general of the Qin 6. Referring to his prowess as a general and not just mere Martial Might. Within the Kingdom-verse the widely held opinion is Ouki > Hakuki.
Wallahi, my idolo Ousen is finished.
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@Lee Ba Shou speaking of Choukotsu:
Me seeing the new GHs and Admirals EOS:
That same Valiant Hero who will fucked up Zhao at the end just like his father, Choukatsu did.
It's generational at this point.
Remember when we were having a discussion about what kind of general Chousha is from the other thread? Well, you point out that Chousha might be from a prestigious military family based on how he was able to convince the king over Renpa's suggestion to fight Koshou. Well, Toujou's father did replaced Renpa with Choukatsu during the Chouhei war against Ouki and Hakuki.
So this supports your theory of Chousha being a high nobility military family even more. Since Renpa most likely aren't from a high background while Choukatsu is part of the prestigious Chou family. Hence the Zhao king picked him over Renpa. But we all know how it ends lol.
And now history is gonna repeat itself with the Zhao Monarchy replaces Riboku and Shibashou with Choukotsu and some Qi general as Qin's bribes and they're gonna make Zhao fall to doom.
Chousha looking down from heaven seeing how his son and grandson managed to fuck up Zhao's legacy be like:
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So this supports your theory of Chousha being a high nobility military family even more. Since Renpa most likely aren't from a high background while Choukatsu is part of the prestigious Chou family. Hence the Zhao king picked him over Renpa. But we all know how it ends lol.
And now history is gonna repeat itself with the Zhao Monarchy replaces Riboku and Shibashou with Choukotsu and some Qi general as Qin's bribes and they're gonna make Zhao fall to doom.
Chousha looking down from heaven seeing how his son and grandson managed to fuck up Zhao's legacy be like:
Y'all are gonna regret not stanning the Valiant Hero... 
It's generational at this point.
