General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?

Would Zoro defeat Oden in 1 vs 1 combat at the end of Wano ?


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Cinera

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At the very best Zoro will be equal to Oden post Wano, and likely a little bit weaker. While Luffy will be Oden level or a shade stronger at best.

None of them will be stronger than all out Fujitora.
Zoro will be above Oden.

Oden was the only person to tame Enma, but Blackening it is a feat beyond him:


Zoro has already matched Oden by taming Enma and bringing it under control.

He's replicated Oden's greatest feat in scarring Kaido:


He'll surpass Oden by taking Kaido's head:


Or Blackening Enma:


(Or both).


Zoro's narrative is to surpass Oden, therefore he will.

You haven't presented any reason why Zoro will not surpass Oden.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
And what about Fujitora ?

Zoro has already matched Oden by taming Enma and bringing it under control.
Yeah he matched a 16 years old Oden good for him.
And he hasn’t perfect control over it yet.


He's replicated Oden's greatest feat in scarring Kaido:
Hell no, Oden feat is still better. Zoro hit didn’t do as much damage as Oden one. He didn’t even put Kaido on his knees. It was a good hit but not Oden last hit level.


Zoro's narrative is to surpass Oden, therefore he will.
No, Luffy narrative is to beat Kaido, and help opening Wano.
The one who is fighting Kaido is Luffy not Zoro.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Oda messed up the Kaido vs Oden fight
Agree that the fight was a big fat mess and lame af.

But Oda wanted to keep hidden hybrid form and keep the form hype for Luffy fight.

That doesn’t mean Zoro has better feats than Oden.

The story of the flashback clearly told us that past Kaido ~ Oden, hybrid shown or not.

The fact that we didn’t see the hybrid form during the flashback is not important

Zoro last hit wasn’t hyped enough nor damaged Kaido enough to be put at Oden level.
 

Cinera

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And he hasn’t perfect control over it yet.
Nah he does. He achieved mastery during the fight with Kaido.


Hell no, Oden feat is still better. Zoro hit didn’t do as much damage as Oden one. He didn’t even put Kaido on his knees. It was a good hit but not Oden last hit level.
I can just as say that Zoro's feat is better because:
  • He scarred a much stronger Kaido.
  • He scarred Kaido while heavily injured and with zero stamina or HP left.
  • He went on to tank a COC Thunder Bagua from Hybrid Kaido while Oden was knocked out by an ordinary club strike from Base Kaido.

Zoro and Oden both gave Kaido permanent scars. Zoro matched Oden's greatest accomplishment.


No, Luffy narrative is to beat Kaido, and help opening Wano.
Zoro's narrative is to kill Kaido.

The one who is fighting Kaido is Luffy not Zoro.
The one who will kill Kaido is Zoro not Luffy:
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Nah he does. He achieved mastery during the fight with Kaido.
I disagree but it’s not the point, you said that Zoro was at Oden level because he tamed Enma and that statement is wrong. Oden tamed the sword at below 18, and he was much stronger at 39. Taming Enma is not a straight power level.


can just as say that Zoro's feat is better because:
  • He scarred a much stronger Kaido.
  • He scarred Kaido while heavily injured and with zero stamina or HP left.
  • He went on to tank a COC Thunder Bagua from Hybrid Kaido while Oden was knocked out by an ordinary club strike from Base Kaido.

Zoro and Oden both gave Kaido permanent scars. Zoro matched Oden's greatest accomplishment.
You can but it’s false

Oden left a much bigger scar on Kaido. Kaido reaction to Zoro scar : he wasn’t that phased by it.
Everyone always give his best attack when they are injured in manga, this is not an argument. When Zoro or Luffy will surpass Oden we will know it and Oda will make it clear. Kaido won’t only say : yeah it’s good you did enough.
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The one who will kill Kaido is Zoro not Luffy:
Maybe maybe not, but the one who is mainly opposing and fighting Kaido is Luffy, Luffy is more Oden than Zoro.
 
Zoro scars a Prime Hybird Kaido after tanking Hakai (strongest attack in the series) 30 bones broken, and besting him in a cqc :

Haters:




Fresh Oden scars a young Kaido who's in his weakest form- his zoan, and couldn't even knock him out for more than 20 secs.

"OMG THIS MAN IS GOD TIER!!!!!!!"
Ok so tell me four things
1. How do we know Kaido got stronger, this is just headcannon
2. What does being stronger have to do with durability/Endurance :nicagesmile:

3. If im not mistaken oden was also weaken in a 2 hour war (using zoro bois logic)

4. How did he beat kaido in a match, if hes the one in bandages while kaido is still in great fighting shape
 
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