General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?
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We had an idea of Oden was that powerful
You guys were just denying him and placed Marco/Ray above him
When Oden had CoC and VOaT..
I can understand Ray but Marco? Lol
Shiryu isn't gonna be above Ray...even so
Shiryu being > Ray doesn't mean he is > Oden.
OP ending doesn't treat Zoro will jump from high tier to mid/high top tier in wano
He hasn't even equalled luffy but he will surpass Oden this arc
You guys were just denying him and placed Marco/Ray above him
When Oden had CoC and VOaT..
I can understand Ray but Marco? Lol
Shiryu isn't gonna be above Ray...even so
Shiryu being > Ray doesn't mean he is > Oden.
OP ending doesn't treat Zoro will jump from high tier to mid/high top tier in wano
He hasn't even equalled luffy but he will surpass Oden this arc
But this all does not quite hold up.
Going back to Katakuri, you had a 1 vs 1 for Luffy to end on that level. Now you have a team fight required, but somehow you still scale each member of the team almost the same way in relation to the opponet as it was the case with just one guy fighting him in WCI.
Btw, how come Roger has multiple versions of Zoro ? Will Luffy end up worse off in terms of crew than him ?
And going back to Shiryu, why does Zoro need to be already stronger than him two arcs prior to even running into each other ?
Ok, so now in preparation for this fight Zoro did not need to prove himself. But after this fight he needs to be already proven for his EoS fight. You argue that he needs to prove that he's stronger than what comes next, and at the same time that he did not need to prove that he's stronger than a YC in preparation for him surpassing Oden.
So only Luffy needs to go through all these hoops and scale from YC 3 to YC 1 to top tier . Why not compare Zoro with a fellow SH, but characters that are not part of the crew and don't sail alongside Luffy ?
Here's how this could work out in my mind :
1. Fight at the top get's interrupted, and Zoro ends up fighting King. During this fight Zoro masters Enma, and when up against Kaido again he is ready to cut him.
2. Zoro rejoins the fight against Kaido, opens the old scar, and reminds Kaido of Oden. Such a monstrous Samurai was born again, he sees Zoro's potential to reach the same heights as Oden.
3. We get to the fight with Blackbeard, and Zoro is already stronger than all the other Yonko FM. He defeats Shiryu and in that fight he reaches Oden's level, and walks into the final war as a top tier.
4. Zoro defeats an Admiral, he has now surpassed Oden.
5. Zoro defeats Mihawk EoS.
Going back to Katakuri, you had a 1 vs 1 for Luffy to end on that level. Now you have a team fight required, but somehow you still scale each member of the team almost the same way in relation to the opponet as it was the case with just one guy fighting him in WCI.
Btw, how come Roger has multiple versions of Zoro ? Will Luffy end up worse off in terms of crew than him ?
And going back to Shiryu, why does Zoro need to be already stronger than him two arcs prior to even running into each other ?
Ok, so now in preparation for this fight Zoro did not need to prove himself. But after this fight he needs to be already proven for his EoS fight. You argue that he needs to prove that he's stronger than what comes next, and at the same time that he did not need to prove that he's stronger than a YC in preparation for him surpassing Oden.
So only Luffy needs to go through all these hoops and scale from YC 3 to YC 1 to top tier . Why not compare Zoro with a fellow SH, but characters that are not part of the crew and don't sail alongside Luffy ?
Here's how this could work out in my mind :
1. Fight at the top get's interrupted, and Zoro ends up fighting King. During this fight Zoro masters Enma, and when up against Kaido again he is ready to cut him.
2. Zoro rejoins the fight against Kaido, opens the old scar, and reminds Kaido of Oden. Such a monstrous Samurai was born again, he sees Zoro's potential to reach the same heights as Oden.
3. We get to the fight with Blackbeard, and Zoro is already stronger than all the other Yonko FM. He defeats Shiryu and in that fight he reaches Oden's level, and walks into the final war as a top tier.
4. Zoro defeats an Admiral, he has now surpassed Oden.
5. Zoro defeats Mihawk EoS.
Who says Shanks can't be related to the WG somehow? Casually strolling to the Gorosei's office isn't a good indication I guess.
Good luck for you if you think Shanks just dies at the hands of BB after this much build up and that too without even meeting Luffy when that's been set up in stone ever since chapter 1.
Good luck for you if you think Shanks just dies at the hands of BB after this much build up and that too without even meeting Luffy when that's been set up in stone ever since chapter 1.
Hitetsu mentions that only Oden could use Enma, but Oden couldn’t make Enma a black blade. Zoro turning Enma black means Zoro > Oden, since Zoro could do something that Oden couldn’t with the same sword.
Then there’s Kaido’s comment about a monstrous samurai.
We’re already getting close to the end of the story. We don’t have arcs for Zoro to make his first black blade - and it’s obvious that Wado is gonna turn black after defeating Mihawk.
Oda (through Hitetsu) specifically talks about Zoro being able to turn Enma black...so Oda is drawing our attention to Enma turning black soon in the narrative.
Then there’s Kaido’s comment about a monstrous samurai.
We’re already getting close to the end of the story. We don’t have arcs for Zoro to make his first black blade - and it’s obvious that Wado is gonna turn black after defeating Mihawk.
Oda (through Hitetsu) specifically talks about Zoro being able to turn Enma black...so Oda is drawing our attention to Enma turning black soon in the narrative.
But there is no buildup for him to surpass him this arc. A lot of people use the "Do what I couldn't do" statement, as a means to back this claim, but it's not that Oden couldn't do it because he lacked the strength, it's he couldn't do it because he was tricked and ultimately defeated because of it.
They also want to use the "Zoro will turn Enma black argument" and at the same time, nothing indicates Zoro will do that on Wano. In fact it doesn't even make sense for him to do it on Wano, when we clearly see he can't even fully utilize Enma to it's maximum potential right now. Anybody can spot how much of an asspull it would be for Zoro to go from being unable to wield Enma properly, to turning it black in the span of a single fight, when Oden couldn't do it after spending years with the blade.
They also want to use the "Zoro will turn Enma black argument" and at the same time, nothing indicates Zoro will do that on Wano. In fact it doesn't even make sense for him to do it on Wano, when we clearly see he can't even fully utilize Enma to it's maximum potential right now. Anybody can spot how much of an asspull it would be for Zoro to go from being unable to wield Enma properly, to turning it black in the span of a single fight, when Oden couldn't do it after spending years with the blade.
