Powers & Abilities Why Albert's weakness was horribly done
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sanji couldnt use it to attack because his opponent wasnt visible to him.
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not trying to defend chrolol here, but this is just petty and lame.
1) people can change their opinions with new information. king was super hyped and then didnt really live up to it.
2) fucking anime in a manga discussion? fuck off
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thats not really a plothole?!
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clown piss antagonists 101
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King is stronger than Big Mom.
Source: You
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/king-is-as-strong-as-if-not-stronger-than-meme.12852/
That's when you flat earthers thought and hoped that Sanji would have fought King. But that didn't happen (obviously), and then you started hating King...
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/will-sanji-saves-marco-and-fight-king-and-queen.11898/
You were desperate from the start lmao
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/why-sanji-vs-king-will-happen.11180/
But why? Sanji fought King after all!
Source: You
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/king-is-as-strong-as-if-not-stronger-than-meme.12852/
That's when you flat earthers thought and hoped that Sanji would have fought King. But that didn't happen (obviously), and then you started hating King...
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/will-sanji-saves-marco-and-fight-king-and-queen.11898/
You were desperate from the start lmao
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/why-sanji-vs-king-will-happen.11180/
But why? Sanji fought King after all!
1) people can change their opinions with new information. king was super hyped and then didnt really live up to it.
2) fucking anime in a manga discussion? fuck off
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King was Nerf out of no where, i say it before and i say it again, getting a low defense if you're doing something is the worst plothole i ever seen, you know zoro is trash character despite PU, he still needs that kind of plothole. 
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clown piss antagonists 101
It's ridiculous to compare King's common fast movement with Sanji's continuous literally invisible speed, that was directly stated by Queen to be the case, for a relevant amount of time, and not just "a few seconds".
King never went invisible continuously, making Zoro state that King had turned invisible due to fast movement so he had to wait for King to get tired in order to be able to see him again. This never happened; Don't reject the truth.
It makes no sense whatsoever to compare Sanji's speed with King; Sanji is much faster than King. Get over it.
King never went invisible continuously, making Zoro state that King had turned invisible due to fast movement so he had to wait for King to get tired in order to be able to see him again. This never happened; Don't reject the truth.
It makes no sense whatsoever to compare Sanji's speed with King; Sanji is much faster than King. Get over it.
So are pre skip character also as fast as King??
nobody or anything inverse hyped King as being uniquely fast like sanji…..,
King portrayal gettin speed blitz by a sole YC with aid.
There’s Zero indication at all his speed modes a significant boost either. The same character that noted he got faster, was still able to keep up with him.
nobody or anything inverse hyped King as being uniquely fast like sanji…..,
King portrayal gettin speed blitz by a sole YC with aid.
There’s Zero indication at all his speed modes a significant boost either. The same character that noted he got faster, was still able to keep up with him.
Oda couldve perfectly shown Speed Forms advantages if Zoro also struggled with it as much. Then Zoro couldve then used CoC barriers as a way to counter the speed he cant see. Then Albert goes into flame form one last time and Zoro's dragon damanation destroys it. Of course that would be a hypoethetical feat. A feat that current Zoro doesnt have.
Although your right that would take another chapter to fully explain well anyways.
Although your right that would take another chapter to fully explain well anyways.
I think the Bird Dance technique he used in 1035 should've been done in a hypothetical Speed focused chapter before King's mask was broken. Would've been far better if King was dominating and tossing Zoro around the basement, avoiding CoC slashes only to see Zoro adapt to the situation and quickly improvise a counter attack. Cut right up King's center and that's how his mask is broken.
Definitely requires a whole chapter to it, but if we didn't waste time on Hawkins, Killer and Jack in Volume 102 there'd of been like, 2.5 free chapters for All Star fights.
Definitely requires a whole chapter to it, but if we didn't waste time on Hawkins, Killer and Jack in Volume 102 there'd of been like, 2.5 free chapters for All Star fights.
Yh exactly. Wouldve been a great way to show off Zoro's adaptability as well. But as of now Zoro reacted to Speed form literally 4 times right off the bat. And were supposed to buy that this is a fair replacement to the Lunarian defence lmao.
Its just dumb af. Btw its also interesting to note that even though Zoro could react to Speed form....Albert's Hybrid wings always overpowered him. And of course Albert never uses Hybrid against Zoro in the final chapter lmao. Just attacks him in base in which Zoro easily overpowers.
For an inconsistent writer....Oda somehow magically manages to stay consistent with how he will nerf and PIS his characters. Idc what anyone says...Zoro was given an easy win.
Its just dumb af. Btw its also interesting to note that even though Zoro could react to Speed form....Albert's Hybrid wings always overpowered him. And of course Albert never uses Hybrid against Zoro in the final chapter lmao. Just attacks him in base in which Zoro easily overpowers.
For an inconsistent writer....Oda somehow magically manages to stay consistent with how he will nerf and PIS his characters. Idc what anyone says...Zoro was given an easy win.
King went from having Zoro on the ropes to getting rocked and thats kind of disappointing. I get that CoC is powerful, but it still feels almost cheap that Zoro leapt so far past Kings level immediately.
Admittedly, the same thing happened with Mr 1 so it does have precedence that as soon as Zoro overcomes his opponents defense he wins
Admittedly, the same thing happened with Mr 1 so it does have precedence that as soon as Zoro overcomes his opponents defense he wins
Zoro never leapt past him. He used strategy to win. AdvCoC didnt contribute anything. He just realised Albert is vulnerable when hes fast and flameless. And invulnerable when he has flames.
This would be similar if Mr 1's Steel defence was temporary....and Zoro landing Shishi sonson when Mr 1 had no Steel Defence happened.
This would be similar if Mr 1's Steel defence was temporary....and Zoro landing Shishi sonson when Mr 1 had no Steel Defence happened.
Another Anti-King thread? Seriously, how many of these threads do we need. We get it. Some don't like King because he was Zoro's opponent and beat the same Zoro that outperformed every other rooftop SN and bested Kaido.
The closer we get to ZKK the more anti-Zoro threads appear.
King has a strong durability/defense, even out of flame mode. It doesn't disappear when his flames are off.
Non-flame mode King clashed with Zoro's ultra tiger hunt attack with his wing/body and took some of the attack to the face without sustaining any damage.
Some need to go back and re-read what I just wrote and chapter 1027 because they don't
understand the manga.
While Kaido was cut by Zoro's dragon twister.
Non-flame mode King wasn't cut or injured by Zoro's ultra tiger hunt, a stronger attack than dragon twister.
Anyone who claims King doesn't have a strong durability/defense outside of flame mode is clearly pushing headcannon and going against Oda and manga facts.
The evidence doesn't stop there. The only time we saw Zoro hurt King once you figure out King's flame mode power was with ACoC attacks.
Example, Zoro cut King with a ACoC version of Bird Dance.
That further supports King's durability/defense outside of flame mode since Zoro only hurt King with ACoC.
King is fast in and out of flame mode and has invincible speed. The manga doesn't have to literally write everything out for us.
The scene shows King can use invisible speed by having him move so fast he becomes invisible to Zoro.
It's funny how some thing Sanji is incredibly fast and one of the fastest characters because his speed allowed him to become invisible to Queen, who has zero high speed feats. Yet, King's speed allowing him to become invisible to Zoro, who has several high speed feats against fast characters isn't impressive.
Ok
Just because a character is incredibly fast and can use invisible speed doesn't mean he will use that speed all the time. Sanji doesn't use his invisible speed all the time. King didn't use that level of speed until after Zoro was able to hurt him. Naturally, that makes sense since he didn't need to use that level of speed earlier.
CQC wouldn't have worked against Zoro since Zoro has the power to cut through King blackened haki coated sword.
If King tried that against Zoro he would have still lost.
The reason King exited his flame mode or entered his faster mode was because he believed Zoro could hurt him in flame mode so by becoming faster it increased his chances of evading Zoro's attack. He then increased the distance between him and Zoro, he moved away from Zoro and the island, to decrease the chance of Zoro hitting him as well.
Here's the scenes where Zoro calls King out about changing his fighting style and asked King if he is afraid Zoro could hurt him.
King's avoids the question and respond saying Zoro is not capable of beating him. Then increases his distance from Zoro.
If Zoro couldn't hurt King in flame mode he wouldn't have avoided the question.
Unfortunately for King it wasn't enough and he was blitzed by Zoro.
That was because ACoC is a buffer and can increase the user speed. Zoro used it to increase his speed and blizted King.
Anyone who don't believe me just need to look at base Luffy vs hybrid Kaido where Luffy kept up with hybrid Kaido thanks to his ACoC.
Anyone can see there was no plot hole just people who can't comprehend the manga.
The closer we get to ZKK the more anti-Zoro threads appear.
King has a strong durability/defense, even out of flame mode. It doesn't disappear when his flames are off.
Non-flame mode King clashed with Zoro's ultra tiger hunt attack with his wing/body and took some of the attack to the face without sustaining any damage.
Some need to go back and re-read what I just wrote and chapter 1027 because they don't
understand the manga.
While Kaido was cut by Zoro's dragon twister.
Non-flame mode King wasn't cut or injured by Zoro's ultra tiger hunt, a stronger attack than dragon twister.
Anyone who claims King doesn't have a strong durability/defense outside of flame mode is clearly pushing headcannon and going against Oda and manga facts.
The evidence doesn't stop there. The only time we saw Zoro hurt King once you figure out King's flame mode power was with ACoC attacks.
Example, Zoro cut King with a ACoC version of Bird Dance.
That further supports King's durability/defense outside of flame mode since Zoro only hurt King with ACoC.
King is fast in and out of flame mode and has invincible speed. The manga doesn't have to literally write everything out for us.
The scene shows King can use invisible speed by having him move so fast he becomes invisible to Zoro.
It's funny how some thing Sanji is incredibly fast and one of the fastest characters because his speed allowed him to become invisible to Queen, who has zero high speed feats. Yet, King's speed allowing him to become invisible to Zoro, who has several high speed feats against fast characters isn't impressive.
Ok
Just because a character is incredibly fast and can use invisible speed doesn't mean he will use that speed all the time. Sanji doesn't use his invisible speed all the time. King didn't use that level of speed until after Zoro was able to hurt him. Naturally, that makes sense since he didn't need to use that level of speed earlier.
CQC wouldn't have worked against Zoro since Zoro has the power to cut through King blackened haki coated sword.
If King tried that against Zoro he would have still lost.
The reason King exited his flame mode or entered his faster mode was because he believed Zoro could hurt him in flame mode so by becoming faster it increased his chances of evading Zoro's attack. He then increased the distance between him and Zoro, he moved away from Zoro and the island, to decrease the chance of Zoro hitting him as well.
Here's the scenes where Zoro calls King out about changing his fighting style and asked King if he is afraid Zoro could hurt him.
King's avoids the question and respond saying Zoro is not capable of beating him. Then increases his distance from Zoro.
If Zoro couldn't hurt King in flame mode he wouldn't have avoided the question.
Unfortunately for King it wasn't enough and he was blitzed by Zoro.
Anyone who don't believe me just need to look at base Luffy vs hybrid Kaido where Luffy kept up with hybrid Kaido thanks to his ACoC.
Anyone can see there was no plot hole just people who can't comprehend the manga.
Another Anti-King thread? Seriously, how many of these threads do we need. We get it. Some don't like King because he was Zoro's opponent and beat the same Zoro that outperformed every other rooftop SN and bested Kaido.
The closer we get to ZKK the more anti-Zoro threads appear.
King has a strong durability/defense, even out of flame mode. It doesn't disappear when his flames are off.
Non-flame mode King clashed with Zoro's ultra tiger hunt attack with his wing/body and took some of the attack to the face without sustaining any damage.
Some need to go back and re-read what I just wrote and chapter 1027 because they don't
understand the manga.
While Kaido was cut by Zoro's dragon twister.
Non-flame mode King wasn't cut or injured by Zoro's ultra tiger hunt, a stronger attack than dragon twister.
Anyone who claims King doesn't have a strong durability/defense outside of flame mode is clearly pushing headcannon and going against Oda and manga facts.
The evidence doesn't stop there. The only time we saw Zoro hurt King once you figure out King's flame mode power was with ACoC attacks.
Example, Zoro cut King with a ACoC version of Bird Dance.
That further supports King's durability/defense outside of flame mode since Zoro only hurt King with ACoC.
King is fast in and out of flame mode and has invincible speed. The manga doesn't have to literally write everything out for us.
The scene shows King can use invisible speed by having him move so fast he becomes invisible to Zoro.
It's funny how some thing Sanji is incredibly fast and one of the fastest characters because his speed allowed him to become invisible to Queen, who has zero high speed feats. Yet, King's speed allowing him to become invisible to Zoro, who has several high speed feats against fast characters isn't impressive.
Ok
Just because a character is incredibly fast and can use invisible speed doesn't mean he will use that speed all the time. Sanji doesn't use his invisible speed all the time. King didn't use that level of speed until after Zoro was able to hurt him. Naturally, that makes sense since he didn't need to use that level of speed earlier.
CQC wouldn't have worked against Zoro since Zoro has the power to cut through King blackened haki coated sword.
If King tried that against Zoro he would have still lost.
The reason King exited his flame mode or entered his faster mode was because he believed Zoro could hurt him in flame mode so by becoming faster it increased his chances of evading Zoro's attack. He then increased the distance between him and Zoro, he moved away from Zoro and the island, to decrease the chance of Zoro hitting him as well.
Here's the scenes where Zoro calls King out about changing his fighting style and asked King if he is afraid Zoro could hurt him.
King's avoids the question and respond saying Zoro is not capable of beating him. Then increases his distance from Zoro.
If Zoro couldn't hurt King in flame mode he wouldn't have avoided the question.
Unfortunately for King it wasn't enough and he was blitzed by Zoro.
That was because ACoC is a buffer and can increase the user speed. Zoro used it to increase his speed and blizted King.
Anyone who don't believe me just need to look at base Luffy vs hybrid Kaido where Luffy kept up with hybrid Kaido thanks to his ACoC.
Anyone can see there was no plot hole just people who can't comprehend the manga.
The closer we get to ZKK the more anti-Zoro threads appear.
King has a strong durability/defense, even out of flame mode. It doesn't disappear when his flames are off.
Non-flame mode King clashed with Zoro's ultra tiger hunt attack with his wing/body and took some of the attack to the face without sustaining any damage.
Some need to go back and re-read what I just wrote and chapter 1027 because they don't
understand the manga.
While Kaido was cut by Zoro's dragon twister.
Non-flame mode King wasn't cut or injured by Zoro's ultra tiger hunt, a stronger attack than dragon twister.
Anyone who claims King doesn't have a strong durability/defense outside of flame mode is clearly pushing headcannon and going against Oda and manga facts.
The evidence doesn't stop there. The only time we saw Zoro hurt King once you figure out King's flame mode power was with ACoC attacks.
Example, Zoro cut King with a ACoC version of Bird Dance.
That further supports King's durability/defense outside of flame mode since Zoro only hurt King with ACoC.
King is fast in and out of flame mode and has invincible speed. The manga doesn't have to literally write everything out for us.
The scene shows King can use invisible speed by having him move so fast he becomes invisible to Zoro.
It's funny how some thing Sanji is incredibly fast and one of the fastest characters because his speed allowed him to become invisible to Queen, who has zero high speed feats. Yet, King's speed allowing him to become invisible to Zoro, who has several high speed feats against fast characters isn't impressive.
Ok
Just because a character is incredibly fast and can use invisible speed doesn't mean he will use that speed all the time. Sanji doesn't use his invisible speed all the time. King didn't use that level of speed until after Zoro was able to hurt him. Naturally, that makes sense since he didn't need to use that level of speed earlier.
CQC wouldn't have worked against Zoro since Zoro has the power to cut through King blackened haki coated sword.
If King tried that against Zoro he would have still lost.
The reason King exited his flame mode or entered his faster mode was because he believed Zoro could hurt him in flame mode so by becoming faster it increased his chances of evading Zoro's attack. He then increased the distance between him and Zoro, he moved away from Zoro and the island, to decrease the chance of Zoro hitting him as well.
Here's the scenes where Zoro calls King out about changing his fighting style and asked King if he is afraid Zoro could hurt him.
King's avoids the question and respond saying Zoro is not capable of beating him. Then increases his distance from Zoro.
If Zoro couldn't hurt King in flame mode he wouldn't have avoided the question.
Unfortunately for King it wasn't enough and he was blitzed by Zoro.
Anyone who don't believe me just need to look at base Luffy vs hybrid Kaido where Luffy kept up with hybrid Kaido thanks to his ACoC.
Anyone can see there was no plot hole just people who can't comprehend the manga.