Questions & Mysteries Why are in this very forum, admirals so overated?

[BlackLegFring]

It looks like it is pretty much the opposite. There are always attempts to downplay the Admirals with a mix of trying to downplay Whitebeard's status, ignoring inconvenient feats, taking things out of context and trying to ignore the priority Oda places on storytelling.

There are people who have suggested a single Yonkou can defeat 3 Admirals at the same time. I have never seen the opposite outside of joking around or in response to such absurdity.

 

[zaman]

It looks like it is pretty much the opposite. There are always attempts to downplay the Admirals with a mix of trying to downplay Whitebeard's status, ignoring inconvenient feats, taking things out of context and trying to ignore the priority Oda places on storytelling.

There are people who have suggested a single Yonkou can defeat 3 Admirals at the same time. I have never seen the opposite outside of joking around or in response to such absurdity.

I don't see any Admiral beside fleet ones, to be really that much above YC1 level, while their captain are. I think that prime WB can beat 3 admirals or prime roger could, to be quite fair.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I don't see any Admiral beside fleet ones, to be really that much above YC1 level, while their captain are. I think that prime WB can beat 3 admirals or prime roger could, to be quite fair.

What do you think is the big difference between Fleet Admirals and the other Admirals?

For instance, if Aokiji had become Fleet Admiral by Sengoku's recommendation and no one recommended Akainu, do you think Aokiji would be significantly stronger than Akainu just because of the job?

Also, if Roger or WB could beat 3, why did Roger say that just 1 was enough of a challenge?

 

[zaman]

What do you think is the big difference between Fleet Admirals and the other Admirals?

For instance, if Aokiji had become Fleet Admiral by Sengoku's recommendation and no one recommended Akainu, do you think Aokiji would be significantly stronger than Akainu just because of the job?

Also, if Roger or WB could beat 3, why did Roger say that just 1 was enough of a challenge?

What do you think is the big difference between Fleet Admirals and the other Admirals?

For instance, if Aokiji had become Fleet Admiral by Sengoku's recommendation and no one recommended Akainu, do you think Aokiji would be significantly stronger than Akainu just because of the job?

Also, if Roger or WB could beat 3, why did Roger say that just 1 was enough of a challenge?

I feel like the main difference between Ao and Ak is not the power but rather the will, the will of "justice" or destruction while Ao is more cool and that's why he lost, so i see him as an exception among admirals because he was above all the others beside the next fleet one that is akainu, same goes for Garp that is Fleet tier but yet vice admiral.

I mean they could beat all 3 if they were in their top form and in extreme difficulty obvisouly, because i just don't see 3 admirals beating roger and puting him in jail.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I feel like the main difference between Ao and Ak is not the power but rather the will, the will of "justice" or destruction while Ao is more cool and that's why he lost, so i see him as an exception among admirals because he was above all the others beside the next fleet one that is akainu, same goes for Garp that is Fleet tier but yet vice admiral.

I mean they could beat all 3 if they were in their top form and in extreme difficulty obvisouly, because i just don't see 3 admirals beating roger and puting him in jail.

So 2 out of the original 3 Admirals were exceptions. That's not how exceptions work. It just sounds like you simply don't want to acknowledge that they are that strong so you are holding out hope that Kizaru would be significantly weaker than his peers even though nothing suggests that and he actually fought a higher ranked Commander than Aokiji with no damage.

You are just exemplifying why the Admirals are nowhere close to being overrated. If 1 Admiral is enough of a challenge for Roger, 2 would beat him up and 3 would just be overkill.

 

[The Legend]

Hello, I am new to the forum but not new to one piece and I would like to give my opinion in this thread.

When I read the admirals are overrated I have the same reaction as when I read that Whitebeard beat the three admirals and that he treats Akainu like a baby and that's why Yonko >>> Admirals ...
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That above is nonsense.

I assume that everyone here read the manga and not the filler scenes in the anime and that's why I don't understand how they deny the fact that Akainu was never beaten head-on and on the floor? Not even for Whitebeard ... Akainu with one leg stopped Whitebeard's weapon that at the tip had the power of the tremor tremor fruit + his strength exerted on that weapon, then Akainu shows to be able to collide with the waves of the tremor tremor fruit.
He was then attacked head-on without taking any damage by Marco and Vista a first commander and a top class swordsman in the world who competes with Mihawk.

Whitebeard to defeat Akainu has to ambush him from behind and taking advantage of the situation, they can look for the scan and they will see that Akainu is focused on Marco, Jimbe and Luffy in front of him and that is when Whitebeard arrives and hits him from behind. .. then The typical response of Akainu/admirals haters that's why there is the observation haki...
Please, The observation haki is not always activated and if it is not calm and serene it does not work and Katakuri says it and they pretend that Akainu was calm and serene in a war?
Besides that we saw how Kaido did not realize that 9 were coming from his back ...

Continuing with Whitebeard's attack, it is seen how Akainu is injured and even so he reacts and attacks Whitebeard causing him a mortal wound melting a part of his brain and skull and obviously he had to stay alive because of the plot for Blackbeard to steal his fruit. . Without that blow from Akainu's back he would not have generated the second in midair ... And Akainu then continues to fight wounded against the Whitebeard commanders at a disadvantage and another Yonko has to come without injuries and fatigue to stop him and still they tell me that Akainu is weak ... that Akainu a poor wounded old man defeated him? ... But they do not say that that old man had the tremor tremor the most powerful fruit of the paramecia and also had to ambush him from behind ...
They also say that
That Whitebeard defeated all 3 admirals when he could only hit one by ambushing him from behind ... And that's why Yonko >>>> Admirals Conclusion It is crazy to always read the same, it seems that nobody read the manga.

 

[Fujishiro]

I'm of the opinion that Wb was the Strongest in the World. Just like how it's said in the manga.
Everything else is below him, Sick and feeble he may have been, He was Around even with Akainu, I'd say this is a WB that lost 30% roughly give or take of his physical strength.
As for the other Yonko I place them even with Admirals.

This whole back and forth arguing is annoying, Oda is Oda and will always somehow make clowns of his characters, Don't mistake that for being actually weak. Half the time these powerful characters are just standing around, If they actually did something they would pose way to much of a threat. Oda's biggest weakness is basically not showing/Off paneling so we don't see it.
You had fucking Sengoku stand around the whole fucking Marineford. Deadass could of gone Golden Buddha or w/e and sent shockwaves after shockwaves to the Pirate Fodder. But it doesn't happen because "Plot" or whatever the fuck. Same with WB and his Quake DF.

No, the ace novel had many pirates in the new world believing that kaido was stronger than whitebeard as a fighter, and that was whitebeard before meeting ace.

 

[Ravagerblade]

No, the ace novel had many pirates in the new world believing that kaido was stronger than whitebeard as a fighter, and that was whitebeard before meeting ace.

Never read it, not canon to me as it's not in the manga. These type of things have to be in the manga.

 

[Fujishiro]

Never read it, not canon to me as it's not in the manga. These type of things have to be in the manga.

Oda expressed the desire to end one piece soon, he is using these outside things to flesh out the manga. As we're almost surely never gonna see them in manga. You not considering it canon doesnt matter. Because it is, oda and the person that wrote it had weekly meetings in which oda told him exactly what to do and what to type, oda then advertised it as canon and as aces backstory before joining wb, because i doubt he would show it in manga this late in the game. Then shueisha advertised it as canon too. So yes, it is canon. And should be used as such.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

So 2 out of the original 3 Admirals were exceptions. That's not how exceptions work. It just sounds like you simply don't want to acknowledge that they are that strong so you are holding out hope that Kizaru would be significantly weaker than his peers even though nothing suggests that and he actually fought a higher ranked Commander than Aokiji with no damage.

You are just exemplifying why the Admirals are nowhere close to being overrated. If 1 Admiral is enough of a challenge for Roger, 2 would beat him up and 3 would just be overkill.

give this man a medal

 

[trav]

circlejerk.
its the same reason why you find Luffy heavy or Zoro heavy boards.
if you have an opinion and other people here have a similar opinion you feel welcome and stay. the opposition slowly gets tired of it and leaves.
its a downward spiral.

reddit for example became an unbearable Luffy wank.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Oda expressed the desire to end one piece soon, he is using these outside things to flesh out the manga. As we're almost surely never gonna see them in manga. You not considering it canon doesnt matter. Because it is, oda and the person that wrote it had weekly meetings in which oda told him exactly what to do and what to type, oda then advertised it as canon and as aces backstory before joining wb, because i doubt he would show it in manga this late in the game. Then shueisha advertised it as canon too. So yes, it is canon. And should be used as such.

What a shitshow.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

circlejerk.
its the same reason why you find Luffy heavy or Zoro heavy boards.
if you have an opinion and other people here have a similar opinion you feel welcome and stay. the opposition slowly gets tired of it and leaves.
its a downward spiral.

reddit for example became an unbearable Luffy wank.

thats exactly what zoro fans have done here.

 

[trav]

thats exactly what zoro fans have done here.

its Zoro an Admiral heavy. agreed.

 

[Fujishiro]

What a shitshow.

 

[Finalbeta]

To be part of WorstGen means to be able to handle the heat after all

 

[BangOO🍅]

the only reason why admirals isn't look strong as Yonko its because so far they fought without going all out because of the location.
1. Admirals had to defend Marineford -> Look what happen when Aokiji and Akainu fought in Punk Hazard.
2. Fujitora cant hurt Luffy -> granted the main character plot armor is activated.
3. Fujitora got bandaged (and we dont know about Greenbull) -> He had to use his power as low as possible because he need to protect Mariejois too.
@MarineHQ62 @Admiral Lee Hung

 

[X18999]

Also, if Roger or WB could beat 3, why did Roger say that just 1 was enough of a challenge?

He never said they were enough of a challenge but if the Marines wanted to fight thim they should at least send the two best they had. The guy he had just got done beating was likely a VA at best who had no business going against the Roger pirates. Could you imagine Vergo and some G5 fodder a whole Emperors crew?

the only reason why admirals isn't look strong as Yonko its because so far they fought without going all out because of the location.
1. Admirals had to defend Marineford -> Look what happen when Aokiji and Akainu fought in Punk Hazard.
2. Fujitora cant hurt Luffy -> granted the main character plot armor is activated.
3. Fujitora got bandaged (and we dont know about Greenbull) -> He had to use his power as low as possible because he need to protect Mariejois too.

excuses and headcanonn. worse... excuses that were never said in the manga yet admiral fan cling onto them like they were treasure.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Hello, I am new to the forum but not new to one piece and I would like to give my opinion in this thread.

When I read the admirals are overrated I have the same reaction as when I read that Whitebeard beat the three admirals and that he treats Akainu like a baby and that's why Yonko >>> Admirals ...
(↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑)
That above is nonsense.

I assume that everyone here read the manga and not the filler scenes in the anime and that's why I don't understand how they deny the fact that Akainu was never beaten head-on and on the floor? Not even for Whitebeard ... Akainu with one leg stopped Whitebeard's weapon that at the tip had the power of the tremor tremor fruit + his strength exerted on that weapon, then Akainu shows to be able to collide with the waves of the tremor tremor fruit.
He was then attacked head-on without taking any damage by Marco and Vista a first commander and a top class swordsman in the world who competes with Mihawk.

Whitebeard to defeat Akainu has to ambush him from behind and taking advantage of the situation, they can look for the scan and they will see that Akainu is focused on Marco, Jimbe and Luffy in front of him and that is when Whitebeard arrives and hits him from behind. .. then The typical response of Akainu/admirals haters that's why there is the observation haki...
Please, The observation haki is not always activated and if it is not calm and serene it does not work and Katakuri says it and they pretend that Akainu was calm and serene in a war?
Besides that we saw how Kaido did not realize that 9 were coming from his back ...

Continuing with Whitebeard's attack, it is seen how Akainu is injured and even so he reacts and attacks Whitebeard causing him a mortal wound melting a part of his brain and skull and obviously he had to stay alive because of the plot for Blackbeard to steal his fruit. . Without that blow from Akainu's back he would not have generated the second in midair ... And Akainu then continues to fight wounded against the Whitebeard commanders at a disadvantage and another Yonko has to come without injuries and fatigue to stop him and still they tell me that Akainu is weak ... that Akainu a poor wounded old man defeated him? ... But they do not say that that old man had the tremor tremor the most powerful fruit of the paramecia and also had to ambush him from behind ...
They also say that
That Whitebeard defeated all 3 admirals when he could only hit one by ambushing him from behind ... And that's why Yonko >>>> Admirals Conclusion It is crazy to always read the same, it seems that nobody read the manga.

It is crazy how I can be impressed by someone who can read in 2020; you would think that Analphabetism has been eradicated but it's not true... analphabets still exist...
Read this and learn for those who think WB owned Akainu.

 

[trav]

It is crazy how I can be impressed by someone who can read in 2020; you would think that Analphabetism has been eradicated but it's not true... analphabets still exist...
Read this and learn for those who think WB owned Akainu.

WB certainly did not own Akainu.
WB also was almost dead at that point.

WSM on lifesupport != WSM
he still had the title, but he stopped being WSM long before MF.

hyping Akainu (or any of the Admirals) for the MF WB encounters is like congratulating a healthy top athlete to win at the special olympics.