Current Events Why Are People So Convinced it's 9 VAs vs Strawhats?

[CbShadow]

It doesn't make much sense for each SH to face a VC. There's a giant gap between the strongest straw hat crewmate, Zoro, and the weakest, Usopp. There's no way there's that big of a gap within the rank of VA. If the marine arrived with a few vice admirals, rear admirals, a captain and lieutenant that would make more sense.

I believe the CP0, Bonney and Vegapunk satellites are going to help face the 9 VA.

 

[ConquistadoR]

I don't mean from a power level standpoint, but from a who he fought standpoint.

Wano and Egghead Part 1, he didn't fight Zoro/Sanji calibre opponents.

In Wano, it was irrelevant because (1) Jinbe was nerfed by location & we never really saw his Full Power and (2) Jack was to be beaten by the Minks.

Here too, it was just 4 Seraphims and not exactly full fledged fighting or portrayal being shown. Sure you can say he isn't as relevant as Zoro/Sanji but i think Oda wants to show Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe as the three of Luffy's Commanders like he does for the other crews.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Tbf, it's already worthless. Nobody respects VAs and everytime they're on panel - they are just used to hype others.

It's more like, he has to make some VAs to standout from the others, to make them all job to the 9 SHs.

In fairness there's the Cross Guild bounty system. And we know some Marines have a bounty of 1 billion.

The Egghead VAs could be introduced as having varying bounties to set their power levels.

Getting beaten by Usopp or Nami level worthless? No, not happening

 

[L o g i a]

Fair, Oda can easily solve this issue by making few of the VAs standout and giving them command & higher bounties.
Or by making them Zodiacs.

He already has done this during the timeskip and pre-skip

The VAs have been laid out as follows
1. Garp
2. Tsuru/Momousagi/Chaton (2 of them were Admiral candidates)
3. Onigumo (good feats vs Marco)
4. the group of VAs including Doberman (on Egghead), Comil, Strawberry, Yamakaji, Stainless, Momonga - basically the guys that did anything at Marineford
5. Dalmatian, Lacroix, John, Bastille, Cancer etc. - guys that were around at MF but did nothing of note
6. Maynard, Mozambia - the guys who got the role solely based on experience; their strength is below a lot of Rear Admirals

Smoker is unscalable right now but his PH performance would put him around that 5th level so im expecting 3 or 2 when we next see him

If I had to guess, Doberman's probably an opponent Jinbe would high diff while Zoro and Sanji would probably mid diff him and the guys on that level. The only VAs that are a problem these days are Onigumo, Momousagi, Chaton and Tsuru and only 1 of those 3 has the feats to back this up (was faster than Marco and strong enough to ragdoll him around, admittedly while Marco was in seastone cuffs, but still).

 

[ConquistadoR]

Getting beaten by Usopp or Nami level worthless? No, not happening

Usopp & Nami get by using their smarts more often than not rather than strength.
They still fight or are paired with the same level of opponents as Franky/Robin duo.

And even if they fight some VAs, they'll get around via the same route.
But yeah, a VA can definitely be beaten by Franky or Robin or Brook.

He already has done this during the timeskip and pre-skip

The strongest VAs are:
1. Garp
2. Tsuru/Momousagi/Chaton (2 of them were Admiral candidates)
3. Onigumo (good feats vs Marco)
4. the group of VAs including Doberman (on Egghead), Comil, Strawberry, Yamakaji, Stainless, Momonga - basically the guys that did anything at Marineford
5. Dalmatian, Lacroix, John, Bastille, Cancer etc. - guys that were around at MF but did nothing of note
6. Maynard, Mozambia - the guys who got the role solely based on experience; their strength is below a lot of Rear Admirals

Smoker is unscalable right now but his PH performance would put him around that 5th level so im expecting 3 or 2 when we next see him

Sure, there are tiers in VA itself.

I'm just saying that if it isn't differentiated clearly, then odds are Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe aren't fighting VAs & would fight someone higher up on the order.

We'll see when the matchups drop though - it's very easy for Oda to write a difference in Levels among the 9 VAs here, and he's probably gonna do it.

 

[L o g i a]

Usopp & Nami get by using their smarts more often than not rather than strength.
They still fight or are paired with the same level of opponents as Franky/Robin duo.

And even if they fight some VAs, they'll get around via the same route.
But yeah, a VA can definitely be beaten by Franky or Robin or Brook.


Sure, there are tiers in VA itself.

I'm just saying that if it isn't differentiated clearly, then odds are Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe aren't fighting VAs & would fight someone higher up on the order.

We'll see when the matchups drop though - it's very easy for Oda to write a difference in Levels among the 9 VAs here, and he's probably gonna do it.

Agree but that's entirely why I don't think they're fighting them

I expect what will happen is they'll try and commandeer the Sunny but it will be gone (Caribou sucked it up into his swamp) and they'll encounter him again around an unoccupied/weaker area of the island blockade and CDB out of there. In terms of combat, if anything there will be something to the tune of Kizaru/Saturn getting hands on to protect York and being repelled by the M4 before they run away too. The most likely scenario is one where someone like Sanji (who is fast enough to have a chance of escaping Kizaru) has a quick kick-fight with the guy while everyone goes ahead and then Kizaru's too lazy to chase. I literally see it like a re-run of Sanji vs Vergo

 

[JoNdule]

If Zoro is pushed to high diff by a VA

Even I myself won't be able to say a thing

 

[MarineHQ]

If Zoro is pushed to high diff by a VA

Even I myself won't be able to say a thing

That isn't going to happen you know it.

 

[L o g i a]

That isn't going to happen you know it.

Certainly not with anyone of those 9 pictured. Doberman's the only one that could possibly do it and that's unlikely.

Onigumo, Chaton, Momousagi and Tsuru are the only YC1 or higher VAs (based on feats and hype) that we know of

 

[Midnight Delight]

it's very easy for Oda to write a difference in Levels among the 9 VAs here, and he's probably gonna do it.

The thing is, due to how weird the Balance of power is and how the Marines seem to cover most the tiers, it doesn't make sense for the Marines to have too many Marco level guys without the Warlords/Seraphim seeming useless.

John Giant and the Zodiacs/Tsuru should cover the YC VA Niche, and there's already plotholes with "why didn't the Candidates help the admirals against the Revs"

Oda doesn't really care so I wouldn't be surprised if he actually reveals that The Marines have dozens of YC VA hanging around given the Royal Knights already breaking the Worldbuilding

 

[MarineHQ]

Certainly not with anyone of those 9 pictured. Doberman's the only one that could possibly do it and that's unlikely.

Onigumo, Chaton, Momousagi and Tsuru are the only YC1 or higher VAs (based on feats and hype) that we know of

Onigumo would beat Zoro

 

[ConquistadoR]

The thing is, due to how weird the Balance of power is and how the Marines seem to cover most the tiers, it doesn't make sense for the Marines to have too many Marco level guys without the Warlords/Seraphim seeming useless.

John Giant and the Zodiacs/Tsuru should cover the YC VA Niche, and there's already plotholes with "why didn't the Candidates help the admirals against the Revs"

Oda doesn't really care so I wouldn't be surprised if he actually reveals that The Marines have dozens of YC VA hanging around given the Royal Knights already breaking the Worldbuilding

I'm gonna milk the VAs Powerlevel as much as possible tbh.

If there are truly YC level VAs lying around and Kuzan asked Smoker to tell Akainu "Send Admirals to Dressrosa"....

 

[L o g i a]

Onigumo would beat Zoro

Dude was faster than Marco - haven't seen much of him but if there's any possibility from a pre-skip VA it's him. Nobody else though

 

[Cinera]

Onigumo, Chaton, Momousagi and Tsuru are the only YC1 or higher VAs (based on feats and hype) that we know of

1. Neither Tsuru nor Onigumo have been clearly depicted as YC 1+.
2. Tokikake and Gion haven't actually been referred to as Admiral candidates in the manga itself.

There could be YC 1+ VAs (other than Garp), but that's not confirmed at this point.

I'm gonna milk the VAs Powerlevel as much as possible tbh.

If there are truly YC level VAs lying around and Kuzan asked Smoker to tell Akainu "Send Admirals to Dressrosa"....

Doflamingo > YC 1+ level VAs.

 

[MarineHQ]

Dude was faster than Marco - haven't seen much of him but if there's any possibility from a pre-skip VA it's him. Nobody else though

Nah trust me John Giant is strong too. He was two shotted by WB but WCI Boundman Luffy was one shotted by Base Kaido so John Giant and Lonz get a pass for getting demolished by an emperor

 

[JoNdule]

That isn't going to happen you know it.

I believe Zoro mid diffs the strongest VAs (excluding Tsuru, Garp, maybe Zodiac VAs)
But you never know what Oda can do

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I'm gonna milk the VAs Powerlevel as much as possible tbh.

If there are truly YC level VAs lying around and Kuzan asked Smoker to tell Akainu "Send Admirals to Dressrosa"....

Jinbei is admiral level
Vergo top tier
Doffy yonko level

We know the agenda

 

[MarineHQ]

I believe Zoro mid diffs the strongest VAs (excluding Tsuru, Garp, maybe Zodiac VAs)
But you never know what Oda can do

Sounds more like it. With the help of countless fodder and Pacifista jumping Zoro it can go up higher than mid diff.

 

[Cinera]

Dude was faster than Marco - haven't seen much of him but if there's any possibility from a pre-skip VA it's him. Nobody else though

The guy has an inferior version of Black Maria's Devil Fruit.

He's not going to be that strong. Oda wouldn't give him such a shitty fruit.

 

[L o g i a]

1. Neither Tsuru nor Onigumo have been clearly depicted as YC 1+.
2. Tokikake and Gion haven't actually been referred to as Admiral candidates in the manga itself.

There could be YC 1+ VAs (other than Garp), but that's not confirmed at this point.



Doflamingo > YC 1+ level VAs.

Tsuru has been clearly depicted as a legendary VA in almost the same vain as Garp
Onigumo manhandled Marco at MF no problem. Admittedly, Marco was in seastone, but he was in seastone because of Onigumo in the first place. Given Marco was handling King and Queen at the same time I would say it's a fair guess putting Onigumo in and around YC1

Oda himself explicitly stated in SBS (and therefore canon) that Tokikake and Gion were considered for the Admiral position. This to me implies they're minimum YC1 fighters and likely comfortably above that given Ryokugyu implied YCs are far beneath Admirals. It's just the hype/portrayal they have.

The guy has an inferior version of Black Maria's Devil Fruit.

He's not going to be that strong. Oda wouldn't give him such a shitty fruit.

Yeah because Lucci and Kaku's fruits are so powerful right? Haki is a key differentiator in the higher echelons of the powerscale and Black Maria is not anywhere near it. However, Onigumo fucked around with Marco at Marineford.

 

[MarineHQ]

The guy has an inferior version of Black Maria's Devil Fruit.

He's not going to be that strong. Oda wouldn't give him such a shitty fruit.

He's a vastly superior combatant though. Did Maria even have CoA ?