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Will each of the 9 Strawhats fight one of the 9 Vice Admirals

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Cinera

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He's a vastly superior combatant though. Did Maria even have CoA ?
I'm not claiming he's weaker than her, but that Oda doesn't give powerful characters shitty fruits.



Tsuru has been clearly depicted as a legendary VA in almost the same vain as Garp
Tsuru being Garp level is silly.



Onigumo manhandled Marco at MF no problem. Admittedly, Marco was in seastone, but he was in seastone because of Onigumo in the first place. Given Marco was handling King and Queen at the same time I would say it's a fair guess putting Onigumo in and around YC1
You're wanking a sneak attack and it's silly.



Oda himself explicitly stated in SBS (and therefore canon) that Tokikake and Gion were considered for the Admiral position. This to me implies they're minimum YC1 fighters and likely comfortably above that given Ryokugyu implied YCs are far beneath Admirals. It's just the hype/portrayal they have.
Fans created those characters and suggested them to be Admirals.

When Oda actually introduced them in the manga, there was no mention of their Admiral candidacy.

The term "Admiral Candidates" has never appeared in the manga.
 
Tsuru being Garp level is silly.
Read more carefully

I said Tsuru has been portrayed as a legendary Marine VA in almost the same vain as Garp. That is not the same as saying Tsuru is as strong as Garp. But the woman who made Doffy shit himself from her name alone deserves more respect.

You're wanking a sneak attack and it's silly.
Do you think a weak VA could pull off handcuffing the right hand man of Whitebeard (mid flight as well)? Sure, let's just get Maynard or Mozambia to do it

Fans created those characters and suggested them to be Admirals.
And Oda incorporated them into the story, sticking to the fact they were almost promoted to Admiral. So canonically these guys are monstrous fighters.

When Oda actually introduced them in the manga, there was no mention of their Admiral candidacy.
But we know from SBS that Oda brought their backstory into canon.

I stg half of you fuckers just have a hate boner for Marines. Nobody sane is saying any of the Egghead 9 are going to fight the SHs - so calm all of your titties please. All I'm saying is there's a very small number of VAs who could even possibly be a problem at this point and none of them are on Egghead.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Do you think a weak VA could pull off handcuffing the right hand man of Whitebeard (mid flight as well)? Sure, let's just get Maynard or Mozambia to do it
Tbh Mr. Go ended up impacting Luffy v. Kaidou a fight between Two Skysplitters, literally panels after jobbing to an injured Izou.
Onigumo throwing a Seastone cuff on a distracted Marco isn't that relevant anymore.
 
Honest take, Pre Ts Lucci > Doberman, Momonga, Onigumo aka Buster Call VAs.

I see where you're coming from. Lucci really had a big name but I'd say he was power creeped already pre ts. The Pacifista made him look like shit along with every Vice Admiral being able to use the six powers most observation and armament haki.

I believe he would've definitely lost 1v1 to most of them.
 
Do you think a weak VA could pull off handcuffing the right hand man of Whitebeard (mid flight as well)? Sure, let's just get Maynard or Mozambia to do it
Ashura who's YC4 was able to Catch Jack off Guard and Jack was even paying attention

Marco was lasered, Terrified at his Father having a heart attack in the middle of a war and not even knowing that Oni was near him at all
 
He already has done this during the timeskip and pre-skip

The VAs have been laid out as follows
1. Garp
2. Tsuru/Momousagi/Chaton (2 of them were Admiral candidates)
3. Onigumo (good feats vs Marco)
4. the group of VAs including Doberman (on Egghead), Comil, Strawberry, Yamakaji, Stainless, Momonga - basically the guys that did anything at Marineford
5. Dalmatian, Lacroix, John, Bastille, Cancer etc. - guys that were around at MF but did nothing of note
6. Maynard, Mozambia - the guys who got the role solely based on experience; their strength is below a lot of Rear Admirals

Smoker is unscalable right now but his PH performance would put him around that 5th level so im expecting 3 or 2 when we next see him

If I had to guess, Doberman's probably an opponent Jinbe would high diff while Zoro and Sanji would probably mid diff him and the guys on that level. The only VAs that are a problem these days are Onigumo, Momousagi, Chaton and Tsuru and only 1 of those 3 has the feats to back this up (was faster than Marco and strong enough to ragdoll him around, admittedly while Marco was in seastone cuffs, but still).
Doberman is high diff fight for Jinbe or Sanji
 
Ashura who's YC4 was able to Catch Jack off Guard and Jack was even paying attention

Marco was lasered, Terrified at his Father having a heart attack in the middle of a war and not even knowing that Oni was near him at all
Ashura who handily defeated a YC3 is a YC4? Your scaling is whack.

Marco was lasered after Onigumo cuffed him. Marco was at full health and peak condition when Onigumo cuffed him. He was also running at full speed. Onigumo casually slipped the cuffs on and caught the guy and stopped all momentum like it was nothing. Dude's a fucking tank.
 
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ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
I see where you're coming from. Lucci really had a big name but I'd say he was power creeped already pre ts. The Pacifista made him look like shit along with every Vice Admiral being able to use the six powers most observation and armament haki.

I believe he would've definitely lost 1v1 to most of them.
Pre TS Lucci could use Haki too, idk why you think he cannot.
And the way Doberman hyped him... it's ridiculous to argue that he ain't weaker than Lucci for me.

The Pacifista scaling is nonsense literally, SHs struggling doesn't mean Crocodile or Enel or Lucci or Moriah wouldn't neg diff a Pacifisita.

And no, in the very panels you posted - Strawhat is never facing a VA in a 1v1 but is forced to fight 2 people at once.
 
Pre TS Lucci could use Haki too, idk why you think he cannot.
And the way Doberman hyped him... it's ridiculous to argue that he ain't weaker than Lucci for me.
iirc it was left ambiguous whether Lucci could use Haki pre ts. There was a whole drama around that in sbs or vivre cards I believe.
Also Vice Admiral hyping him doesn't mean they see themselves as inferior. Lucci was simply the main big bad of that arc, he got the hype.



And no, in the very panels you posted - Strawhat is never facing a VA in a 1v1 but is forced to fight 2 people at once.
Not really. Momonga and dalmatian didn't attack him 2v1, it was one after the other and Momonga proved too fast for Base Luffy.

Luffy wouldn't have defeated these two 1v1 either pre ts. That wasn't what was portrayed in MF. Also we literally have confirmation through Ivankov.
 
I think Pre Timeskip Luffy was underrated, By the time of Marineford he could spam G3 meaning he could defeat a Pacifista , who were still potrayed as a big deal with the Allied Captains teaming up against them
 
VAs and 4 seraph would easily wipe out the SHs, but Vegapunk is there to counter the Seraph to some extent

Think of it as 9 VAs and Seraph vs 9 SHs, this way its easier to pick on the crew’s weak points and Zoro, Sanji & Jimbo would have to cover for the rest, while still maintaining a dedicated VA to each strawhat and Seraph for the stronger ones
 
One of the main problems for me, is that Oda will never let fighters like Franky/Brook/Robin and fighters like Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe fight the same level of opponents.

When Zoro fought one of Doffy's Seats, Franky fought one of Doffy's Executives who ranked below the Seats.
When Zoro fought one of Kaidou's Calamities, Franky fought one of Kaidou's Tobi Roppo who ranked below the Calamities.

All 9 members won't be fighting people of the same level, either there'll be two distinct Powerlevels within the 9 Vice Admirals or the 3 Commanders of Luffy are simply going to fight a different opponent.
Whoa, wait a second.

Firstly, when we get to SHs vs BBPs, we are getting Luffy and his crew vs Teach and his Titanic Captains, so Zoro and Franky will indeed face opponents on the same level then and maybe even now with the VAs.

Also, Luffy, Law, and Kidd vs Akainu, Fujitora, and Ryokugyu while their crew face the Zodiac VAs is still a possibility, so never write off Zoro and Franky facing off opponents on the same level.
 
One of the main problems for me, is that Oda will never let fighters like Franky/Brook/Robin and fighters like Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe fight the same level of opponents.

When Zoro fought one of Doffy's Seats, Franky fought one of Doffy's Executives who ranked below the Seats.
When Zoro fought one of Kaidou's Calamities, Franky fought one of Kaidou's Tobi Roppo who ranked below the Calamities.

All 9 members won't be fighting people of the same level, either there'll be two distinct Powerlevels within the 9 Vice Admirals or the 3 Commanders of Luffy are simply going to fight a different opponent.
The BB Pirates share the same rank just like VAs?

And Who’s Who was on the same level as Sasaki and Black Maria?
 
My God, pretty obvious that the SH will just clown the Marines and escape fast, there wont be any serious fights, the most i can see is Luffy using G5 to skirmish with Kizaru, but them getting away

Besides, they have four Seraphin, 50 pacifista and all the island defences to hold the Navy while they escape.

The big revelation will be Saturn showing himself at the end to take control of the Seraphin and pehaps even showing a glimpse of his power.


This SH vs random VA is nonsense
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
The BB Pirates share the same rank just like VAs?

And Who’s Who was on the same level as Sasaki and Black Maria?
Yet already, Impel Down Jailor who was the equal of Magellan was Hyped more than Impel Down Inmates.

Same for former Admiral Aokiji. There will clearly be Heirarchy, dont worry lol. Laffitte will distinguish himself soon too.

Land Jinbe beat Who's Who. Jinbe being a Fishman in Water jumps atleast one tier & Land Jinbe is already bottom YC level.

He wasnt given a Billion Berry bounty alongside Zoro & Sanji for nothing. It's time Sanjifans stop being Dishonest & Jealous of Jinbe. Sanji is #3, Jinbe is clearly #4 and by a Wide margin.
 
Yet already, Impel Down Jailor who was the equal of Magellan was Hyped more than Impel Down Inmates.

Same for former Admiral Aokiji. There will clearly be Heirarchy, dont worry lol. Laffitte will distinguish himself soon too.

Land Jinbe beat Who's Who. Jinbe being a Fishman in Water jumps atleast one tier & Land Jinbe is already bottom YC level.

He wasnt given a Billion Berry bounty alongside Zoro & Sanji for nothing. It's time Sanjifans stop being Dishonest & Jealous of Jinbe. Sanji is #3, Jinbe is clearly #4 and by a Wide margin.
But why can't the same happen to Vice Admirals ?

Seems like from your comment the only distinction that needs to be made is hierarchy through bounty and the Vice Admirals even have special ranks amongst Vice admirals. That's more than most if not all organisations that the crew fought had.
 
Yet already, Impel Down Jailor who was the equal of Magellan was Hyped more than Impel Down Inmates.

Same for former Admiral Aokiji. There will clearly be Heirarchy, dont worry lol. Laffitte will distinguish himself soon too.

Land Jinbe beat Who's Who. Jinbe being a Fishman in Water jumps atleast one tier & Land Jinbe is already bottom YC level.

He wasnt given a Billion Berry bounty alongside Zoro & Sanji for nothing. It's time Sanjifans stop being Dishonest & Jealous of Jinbe. Sanji is #3, Jinbe is clearly #4 and by a Wide margin.
And you think oda isn’t going to establish a hierarchy with the VAs?

And this land and sea jinbe doesn’t matter cause Jinbes not fighting people underwater lmao. No one’s jealous of jinbe, he’s the number 4 but it’s clear he’s going to be more grouped with Franky and Robin combat wise otherwise oda would’ve had him fight a calamity.
 
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