Why are some Americans insecure and whiny?

[BleakAsh]

Sorry, I can't really follow you here.

But why? Are you aware of what happens when kids are being left in the dark about sexuality? Do you want young teens to go through puberty all on their own, without knoing what is even happening to their bodies?
Do you want teen pregnancies because those kids won't know how to get pregnant and how to avoid it!?

not that sexuality.. and i don't reckon that needs to be taught to young naive kids truly until they start reasoning

I'm talking about gender diversity here and promoting kids into psychological dilemma about their sex at an early age.

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Sorry, I can't really follow you here.

Basically telling kids or people in general to change themselves physically than working on themselves and exploring their innate gender which i deem fundamental change and improvement

 

[Ballel]

promoting kids into psychological dilemma about their sex at an early age.

What causes psychological dilemma in people is the non acceptance of their true self and the daily discrimination they face in society.

Basically telling kids or people in general to change themselves physically than working on themselves and exploring their innate gender which i deem fundamental change and improvement

This part makes no sense.
You are suggesting people should be in denial about their true gender and put up an act instead. But you're twisting it around as if these two were opposites.

 

[BleakAsh]

What causes psychological dilemma in people is the non acceptance of their true self and the daily discrimination they face in society.

exactly blame the society and its vast branches which include the education system and the family system

its actually all fu*ked in the west so no wonder why this is the case.

rather than being the most effective model its turning out to be problematic.. just too centered on capitalism which i think in this case affects families by being as competitive as it is.. you have to earn bucks or its either that or you're hitting the poverty line already and now that you are scrutinizing on the money you are leaving kids to their own authority or the environment's authority which is toxic af and leads to such insecurities among younglings.

 

[Ballel]

model its turning out to be problematic.. just too centered on capitalism

What does gender have to do with capitalism?

leaving kids to their own authority or the environment's authority which is toxic af and leads to such insecurities among younglings.

Nonsense.

 

[BleakAsh]

You are suggesting people should be in denial about their true gender and put up an act instead. But you're twisting it around as if these two were opposites.

if their true gender is what they choose to be than what they actually are as in male and female then how on earth can you call what they choose as their true gender... just coz its their decision bruh

Coz we even have gender fluidity now so you get an idea of how irrational this concept to change yourself diametrically and to anything else than what you are innately just based on desires and convenience
which is a huge problem now.. you are not telling to people to stay who they actually ie: XX or XY chromosome, are and develop self esteem and improve but change coz it convenient that way based on desires that have anything but innate development.

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What does gender have to do with capitalism?



Nonsense.

ok i have been seeing you being dismissive and just eagerly wanting to disagree for the sake of it without even finding a flaw in my reasoning

this is proving to be a waste of time so I'll Digress.

 

[Ballel]

if their true gender is what they choose to be

No one chooses their gender. Your gender is innate.

If gender could be chosen on a whim, guess how many people would 'choose' to be straight. If only it were so easy to escape the LGBT discrimination

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I already gave you an article and some data. It really isn't hard to see how a child can have gender identity issues if certain propaganda is pushed on them aggressively and in a positive light, before they're even old enough to properly contextualize it.

But again, even if you think gender dysphoria is an innate thing and can't be learned or whatever, the reality of the situation is compared to 10 years ago 10x the amount of children are seeking to transition, that's a ton. So we could go back and forth but the realized consequence is that yes, there is a higher prevalence and you can't unpair that from the "normalization" of it. It's obviously linked.

You are conflating correlation and causation

10 years ago gay marriage wasn’t even fully legal across the US. Around 20 years ago it was literally illegal to be gay in the state of Texas.

but no, surely this has nothing to do with social acceptance of lgbt people.

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I wonder how many people are openly gay or trans in Afghanistan? Probably not many. Surely Afghanistan must naturally be a far more heterosexual country than America.

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Nah I get conservatives when it comes to the gender stuff in classrooms. There are legit deranged teachers who teach stuff like “paint your gender” or “go into this closet and come out with your real gender”

and this is pre teen kids. I get a lot of trans people feel like they knew their true gender since birth, but imo those are Conversations that need to be between the parents and doctors.

those conversations in schools can held off until kids get to sexual ed age, which in most districts is middle school and up

The existence of bad teacher doesn’t mean there is some sort of nationwide conspiracy to groom children into becoming gay.

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The kids are being indoctrinated, it may not be everywhere but it's in many places. Stop the Cope, Evil is happening and you give no fucks. You are the problem.

Jesus Christ, go to therapy

 

[Ravagerblade]

You are conflating correlation and causation

10 years ago gay marriage wasn’t even fully legal across the US. Around 20 years ago it was literally illegal to be gay in the state of Texas.

but no, surely this has nothing to do with social acceptance of lgbt people.

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I wonder how many people are openly gay or trans in Afghanistan? Probably not many. Surely Afghanistan must naturally be a far more heterosexual country than America.

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The existence of bad teacher doesn’t mean there is some sort of nationwide conspiracy to groom children into becoming gay.

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Jesus Christ, go to therapy

Can't help you fucktards.

 

[Roo]

The existence of bad teacher doesn’t mean there is some sort of nationwide conspiracy to groom children into becoming gay.

No but laws are literally created to stop bad actors

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No but laws are literally created to stop bad actors

But this is the issue. Maybe there is a kernel of truth to the conservatives' claims, but that ignores the larger agenda.

Conservatives are actively trying to demonize education in order to keep their constituents uneducated. They are turning the existence of bad teachers into a moral panic aimed at institutions of education. Its not merely that some teachers are bad, its that public schools and universities are indoctrinating and grooming your children.

Race and lgbt topics are important and kids need to learn about them, but the gop is using a few anecdotes of bad teachers to pass laws that would censor discussion over these topics, and that's ridiculous.

Look at this in the context of them pushing school choice or them advocating for homeschooling.

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Which brings me to my ultimate conclusion. Conservatives are anti-education. period.

 

[Roo]

But this is the issue. Maybe there is a kernel of truth to the conservatives' claims, but that ignores the larger agenda.

Conservatives are actively trying to demonize education in order to keep their constituents uneducated. They are turning the existence of bad teachers into a moral panic aimed at institutions of education. Its not merely that some teachers are bad, its that public schools and universities are indoctrinating and grooming your children.

Race and lgbt topics are important and kids need to learn about them, but the gop is using a few anecdotes of bad teachers to pass laws that would censor discussion over these topics, and that's ridiculous.

Look at this in the context of them pushing school choice or them advocating for homeschooling.

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Which brings me to my ultimate conclusion. Conservatives are anti-education. period.

Race ad LBGT topics are important, but I don't think the current messaging the left is trying to push is popular amongst U.S. I've seen black liberal families push back against some of the CRT shit that was pushed. My big problem with the left is that they play defense for people when they don't need too. Some loon teaching fringe gender ideas to pre k students? Shame them for being a nutcase.

Distrust is growing in society, which is why I can see why conservatives choose to use laws to prevent the loons from getting their power.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

a lot of them are yet to take a step outside the country and that ignorance makes them assume the country is much greater than it actually is.

 

[Ultra]

You are conflating correlation and causation

10 years ago gay marriage wasn’t even fully legal across the US. Around 20 years ago it was literally illegal to be gay in the state of Texas.

but no, surely this has nothing to do with social acceptance of lgbt people.

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I wonder how many people are openly gay or trans in Afghanistan? Probably not many. Surely Afghanistan must naturally be a far more heterosexual country than America.

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The existence of bad teacher doesn’t mean there is some sort of nationwide conspiracy to groom children into becoming gay.

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Jesus Christ, go to therapy

Except you don't see a similar trend with rates of people coming out as LGB - it increased but not by a factor of 100 over 20 years. It's a matter of scale.

Even if the scale was the same, hormone therapy and transitioning interventions are terrible for a child's health and raise serious questions about consent.

The fact that educators would be inclined to roll their eyes or dismiss such concern, as you are, is sufficient reason to suspect that being in the public school system is in fact more likely to turn them into alphabet soup.

 

[Ballel]

Jesus Christ, go to therapy

Wondering how many ppl here believe in anti gayness therapy

 

[Ultra]

But this is the issue. Maybe there is a kernel of truth to the conservatives' claims, but that ignores the larger agenda.

Conservatives are actively trying to demonize education in order to keep their constituents uneducated. They are turning the existence of bad teachers into a moral panic aimed at institutions of education. Its not merely that some teachers are bad, its that public schools and universities are indoctrinating and grooming your children.

Race and lgbt topics are important and kids need to learn about them, but the gop is using a few anecdotes of bad teachers to pass laws that would censor discussion over these topics, and that's ridiculous.

Look at this in the context of them pushing school choice or them advocating for homeschooling.

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Which brings me to my ultimate conclusion. Conservatives are anti-education. period.

How kids are made aware of gender identity you ask!?
Because gender is everywhere.
Gender based clothing,gender based toys, the way genders are treated by society and the stereotypical expectations considering behaviour. All these are real factors that any child can become aware of, regardless of others teaching them about it or not.

It IS an innate thing.
And I know from personal experience.
You are basically pushing the idea of leaving children in the dark about the very existence of gender identity.


I somewhat agree to this.
The LGBT/trans supporting part of society should be more inclusive in regard to non-passing trans individuals who do NOT desire to make this physical transition via surgery and hormone treatment.




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It's funny to me when self-proclaimed "Conservatives" credit traditional values as the source of their preference and ideology.
When the general "conservative" outlook has nothing to do with preserving old ideas. Transsexuality has been prevalent in ancient civilizations and them painting it as some modern craze of "tradition-hating" progressives is simply dishonest.


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How you're describing teaching gender identity to kids is not, in practice how it works.

If little Sally wants to play with non girly toys, instead of being a tomboy, they are given some confusing shpesl about how she doesn't actually have to identify as a woman, rather than her still being a girl even though she has boyish interests. The numbers don't lie and show that the rhetoric when introduced at a young age is very persuasive. I don't have anything against Trans people as individuals but I think from a utilitarian standpoint you introduce more suffering if you're bringing people on this train. We shouldn't be "more inclusive" to children not wanting to sterilize themselves with hormone therapy, it shouldn't even be legal.

 

[Ballel]

If little Sally wants to play with non girly toys, instead of being a tomboy, they are given some confusing shpesl about how she doesn't actually have to identify as a woman, rather than her still being a girl even though she has boyish interests. The numbers don't lie and show that the rhetoric when introduced at a young age is very persuasive. I don't have anything against Trans people as individuals but I think from a utilitarian standpoint you introduce more suffering if you're bringing people on this train

Where I grew up, little Sally would have been discriminated and mocked for being a tomboy, "well-meaning" adults constantly forcing ''girly'' stuff on her and using emotional manipulation to cOnVinCe her that the things she likes are nOt FoR GiRLs.
And don't forget occasional remarks such as "if you don't become cuter you'll never find a husband" "look, xyz piece of clothes looks so much cuter and prettier on you, let's choose this one instead. Or do you want to look like a man!?"

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Except you don't see a similar trend with rates of people coming out as LGB - it increased but not by a factor of 100 over 20 years. It's a matter of scale.

Even if the scale was the same, hormone therapy and transitioning interventions are terrible for a child's health and raise serious questions about consent.

The fact that educators would be inclined to roll their eyes or dismiss such concern, as you are, is sufficient reason to suspect that being in the public school system is in fact more likely to turn them into alphabet soup.

jesus fucking christ ultra yikes
btw got a source for that claim (increased but not by a factor of 100 over 20 years)
and ofc the link to the increase due to public schools

 

[Ultra]

Where I grew up, little Sally would have been discriminated and mocked for being a tomboy, "well-meaning" adults constantly forcing ''girly'' stuff on her and using emotional manipulation to cOnVinCe her that the things she likes are nOt FoR GiRLs

Unfortunate, but ultimately not as bad as giving Sally testosterone ☠️

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jesus fucking christ ultra yikes
btw got a source for that claim (increased but not by a factor of 100 over 20 years)
and ofc the link to the increase due to public schools

Brought up earlier in the discussion

 

[Ballel]

Unfortunate, but ultimately not as bad as giving Sally testosterone ☠️

What about letting Sally decide as soon as she's old enough?!

 

[Ultra]

What about letting Sally decide as soon as she's old enough?!

After 18? Sure.

But you're aware that it's now conventional to encourage intervention well before then right?