Questions & Mysteries Why did no Yonko have awakening?

[Loki D. Terror]

Yes…..im pretty sure I know where you’re going with this. But go ahead, it isn’t tha valid point you think it is

You commented in this thread that Kaido/BM both being silver medalist are not awakened. Kata who is not even a bronze medalist have awakening making your point baseless. Unless I am reading your point incorrectly lol

 

[IsaziSempi]

I think the first awakenings we saw were law and kidd then Luffy awakened then lucchi and Kaku. So it's not really a point of why but when. Most of the awakenings happend in the last few months when Oda felt like committing to the concept.

Doflamingo awakened awhile ago but I think oda just has an idea and an idea when he wants that idea relevant. Now that Luffy is Yonkou that concept is relevant so he will now show awakened fruits.

 

[Robin swan]

The issue isn‘t Kaido the issue is Oda making us believe that „Luffy by himself“ beat Kaido.

Should‘ve been all 3 awakaned SN vs awakened Kaido

Agreed I don't think Luffy should have soloed kaido. Imo it should have just stayed the rooftop 5 vs 2 yonko. Oda had to give luffy like 5 time outs and a redo for it make sense he beat kaido. Even then kaido not having a awakening is glaring and it'd make sense that 5 supernova getting pus could handle 2 awakened yonko. But oda wanted the Luffy show again.

 

[Jiihad]

You commented in this thread that Kaido/BM both being silver medalist are not awakened. Kata who is not even a bronze medalist have awakening making your point baseless. Unless I am reading your point incorrectly lol

Thing is, Big Mom and Kaidou ARE going for tha title of PK/Strongest. So if they aren’t that then yes they are losers. That’s not Katakuris goal at all. All he wants is to be able to protect his siblings and Totland….he’s don’t that perfectly for over 50 years

 

[Borasey79]

IMO, two or three arcs from now we're going to learn that awakening is very difficult to achieve but we're also learn that
1) Luffy was very lucky;
2) the WG is cheating into making it members achieve it via some shortcut of sorts.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

From reading 923 chapter

You mean chapter 923? When Luffy and Kaido fought? Haven’t gone through this? Kaido fighting in his base form doesn’t matter, his mythical Zoan durability is still active in his base form

Same way Orochi’s mythical Zoan ability is active in his base form when he gets his head cut off in base form

Kaido having the same durability in and out of Zoan form doesn’t mean his Oni race has similar durability to his dragon form… It means his dragon form durability is active even in base

A simpler debunk of your idea is Yamato. She clearl gets fucked up in her base form from random goons shooting bazookas at her… Clearly her Oni race shit did not give her Kaido level durability
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the WG is cheating into making it members achieve it via some shortcut of sorts.

@Borasey79 And Law and Kid and Doflamingo Katakuri are all awakened… What’s the explanation for their awakening

 

[Loki D. Terror]

You mean chapter 923? When Luffy and Kaido fought? Haven’t gone through this? Kaido fighting in his base form doesn’t matter, his mythical Zoan durability is still active in his base form

Same way Orochi’s mythical Zoan ability is active in his base form when he gets his head cut off in base form

Kaido having the same durability in and out of Zoan form doesn’t mean his Oni race has similar durability to his dragon form… It means his dragon form durability is active even in base

A simpler debunk of your idea is Yamato. She clearl gets fucked up in her base form from random goons shooting bazookas at her… Clearly her Oni race shit did not give her Kaido level durability
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@Borasey79 And Law and Kid and Doflamingo Katakuri are all awakened… What’s the explanation for their awakening

Thats not how mythical DF works. Marco still has to use flames to heal. Yamato has to create ice for defense. Orochi's thing is hax unlike kaido's scale which is a physical thing
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Thing is, Big Mom and Kaidou ARE going for tha title of PK/Strongest. So if they aren’t that then yes they are losers. That’s not Katakuris goal at all. All he wants is to be able to protect his siblings and Totland….he’s don’t that perfectly for over 50 years

The issue is why they don't have awakenings when both doffy and kata who are fodder to them have awakening. If you are talking about conquering then haki is most important. For example roger the Gold medalist didn't have a DF.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Thats not how mythical DF works. Marco still has to use flames to heal. Yamato has to create ice for defense. Orochi's thing is hax unlike kaido's scale which is a physical thing

Do you have an explanation for why Yamato has clearly worse durability than Kaido?

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Do you have an explanation for why Yamato has clearly worse durability than Kaido?

Yamato maybe an half oni or even 1/4th and she was talking attacks without haki also

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Fodder are too weak for their DFs

 

[Kozuki TVU]

When five elders were talking about Nika, it was implied that some fruits are harder to awaken than others
Maybe that's related

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

When five elders were talking about Nika, it was implied that some fruits are harder to awaken than others
Maybe that's related

They were specifically talks about zoans in general. Big Mom's DF is a Paramecia.

 

[Killer#777]

Who cares whether they do have awakening or not. They were natural born monsters with extraordinary willpower. Kaido being an oni with a mythical zoan fruit devil fruit who happens to have a lot of overwhelming physical strength. big mom a freak of nature that was describe as a yokai with iron like skin which was hard break through. Whitebeard who's strength was unmatched even against pirate king who possess a devil fruit that could potentially destroy the world. Y'all have to remember the yonko became yonko not because what they possessed but what they are.

 

[SparagusParty]

Maybe Kaidou legitimately did not have awakening. Supposedly, you have to be on the urge of despair or destruction to achieve the state, something like that.

But Kaidou just bossed everything - maybe he never reached a sufficient state of alarm, jeapordy or stress in order to awaken his ability. He was just too damn strong, perhaps.

 

[Thaidakar]

- Dragons were perceived as deities with unmatched wisdom and intellect. Kaido is anything but wise and intellectual.

That's outright malevolent defamation here.
Kaido
- is ruthless but nevertheless a strategic genius, shown in his decision to take his base in/around wano despite the difficulties with oden and the scabbards
- also shown in his policies and actions around wano (his tyranny was basically even legal as wano citizens do not have human rights according to the WG) + wano's own defensiv geological area
- he knows a lot about history, gathers road poneglyphs, information etc.
- keeps track of his rivals and enemies and strikes when it's appropriate
- can successfully perform espionage and infiltration operations as shown with apoo who had the task to snitch on kid and hawkins
- warfare expert
- one rather underestimated example of being a warfare expert: he sent jack to zou equipped with a literal mass destruction weapon on board, knowing they'd have to fight down the entire population on the island
- haki expert (advanced in at least CoO and CoC)
- battle genius
- devil fruit expert, knows about awakening and probably much more than he said but Oda shut him up to reveal the drawback-part later + knows how specific fruits even look as his calamities have all zoan fruits (--> had access to the df-book)

and much more.

 

[Tejas]

Shanks? No devil fruit just haki.

Whitebeard? Never showed awakening or any evidence of it.

Kaido? Never showed awakening and actually seems more like a primarily haki based fighter than a devil fruit one.

Big Mom? Never showed awakening.

What gives? This trend doesn’t make sense.

NONE of the original four emperors has awakening?

WB awakening

Kaido awakening

 

[Enma]

That's outright malevolent defamation here.
Kaido
- is ruthless but nevertheless a strategic genius, shown in his decision to take his base in/around wano despite the difficulties with oden and the scabbards
- also shown in his policies and actions around wano (his tyranny was basically even legal as wano citizens do not have human rights according to the WG) + wano's own defensiv geological area
- he knows a lot about history, gathers road poneglyphs, information etc.
- keeps track of his rivals and enemies and strikes when it's appropriate
- can successfully perform espionage and infiltration operations as shown with apoo who had the task to snitch on kid and hawkins
- warfare expert
- one rather underestimated example of being a warfare expert: he sent jack to zou equipped with a literal mass destruction weapon on board, knowing they'd have to fight down the entire population on the island
- haki expert (advanced in at least CoO and CoC)
- battle genius
- devil fruit expert, knows about awakening and probably much more than he said but Oda shut him up to reveal the drawback-part later + knows how specific fruits even look as his calamities have all zoan fruits (--> had access to the df-book)

and much more.

- That was mostly Orochi's work.
- What policy? He made everything worse. Wano's geological area is definitely not his feat, lol.
- He only knows what he needs. Gathering poneglyphs and information doesn't make you smart.
- Haven't seen this from him. Striking WB Pirates at Marineford with only him and King is not very smart idea. It would be smarter to strike his territories, or attack WB Pirates after the war.
- That's on Apoo, not him. Apoo joined Kaido because of his reputation and strenght, not because of his wits.
- Absolutely not. Warfare Tactics during Wano were on Calamities' shoulders (King in particular).
- That's what a person with basic logic would do.
- Yes, have to give it to him.
- What smart moves did he do make him "battle genius"?
- Knew but could not perform, even his statement about awakening is too vague. Having access to something =/= being smart.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

But Kaidou just bossed everything - maybe he never reached a sufficient state of alarm, jeapordy or stress in order to awaken his ability. He was just too damn strong, perhaps.

That's outright malevolent defamation here.
Kaido
- is ruthless but nevertheless a strategic genius, shown in his decision to take his base in/around wano despite the difficulties with oden and the scabbards
- also shown in his policies and actions around wano (his tyranny was basically even legal as wano citizens do not have human rights according to the WG) + wano's own defensiv geological area
- he knows a lot about history, gathers road poneglyphs, information etc.
- keeps track of his rivals and enemies and strikes when it's appropriate
- can successfully perform espionage and infiltration operations as shown with apoo who had the task to snitch on kid and hawkins
- warfare expert
- one rather underestimated example of being a warfare expert: he sent jack to zou equipped with a literal mass destruction weapon on board, knowing they'd have to fight down the entire population on the island
- haki expert (advanced in at least CoO and CoC)
- battle genius
- devil fruit expert, knows about awakening and probably much more than he said but Oda shut him up to reveal the drawback-part later + knows how specific fruits even look as his calamities have all zoan fruits (--> had access to the df-book)

and much more.

Win posts :cheers:
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- That was mostly Orochi's work.
- What policy? He made everything worse. Wano's geological area is definitely not his feat, lol.
- He only knows what he needs. Gathering poneglyphs and information doesn't make you smart.
- Haven't seen this from him. Striking WB Pirates at Marineford with only him and King is not very smart idea. It would be smarter to strike his territories, or attack WB Pirates after the war.
- That's on Apoo, not him. Apoo joined Kaido because of his reputation and strenght, not because of his wits.
- Absolutely not. Warfare Tactics during Wano were on Calamities' shoulders (King in particular).
- That's what a person with basic logic would do.
- Yes, have to give it to him.
- What smart moves did he do make him "battle genius"?
- Knew but could not perform, even his statement about awakening is too vague. Having access to something =/= being smart.

You are brain dead. Waido is tactical genius. Cope