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So here we have TWO jobs that needs to be fullfiled and a conservative vision of the family that put women in charges of those two job. Mking them in the IMPOSSIBILITY to have a carrier.
Being a father also harmed a lot of Men's careers, not as badly as being a mother does but I know men who had no other choice but to settle for Min wage jobs for the rest of their lives because of Family issues

Meanwhile every single guy who had a successful career married "late" allowing him to advance in his career, change occupations and companies without kids holding them back
 
Being a father also harmed a lot of Men's careers, not as badly as being a mother does but I know men who had no other choice but to settle for Min wage jobs for the rest of their lives because of Family issues

Meanwhile every single guy who had a successful career married "late" allowing him to advance in his career, change occupations and companies without kids holding them back
thats why i said fuck them kids
 

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Problem is, taking care of the children is a job in itself. Not only that but taking care of the house is ALSO a job in itself.
I don't get the temptation to see everything from a corporate lens. These aren't jobs. These are the collective responsibilities of both parents signed up for when they decided to be parents. You don't get paid for wiping out your ass. Similarly, it's not a job that deserves pay when you're cleaning the house that you live in or when you're raising your own children.

So here we have TWO jobs that needs to be fullfiled and a conservative vision of the family that put women in charges of those two job. Mking them in the IMPOSSIBILITY to have a carrier.
And you are wondering why we want to end this system?
Definitely, it's not right if you leave the woman in question with no choice but to stay at home when she wants to have a career. But that's not the issue here. No one wants to end the system. People just want to have a choice. These are two different things. You're actively demonizing stay-at-home parents to glorify the working class. That's not it's supposed to work. You don't have to make staying at home bad to encourage women to have a career or job.

Yes, thinking that letting women stay in house would be just a normal thing to do IS retrogade in the sence that it doesn't take into account the mental workload that women have to face everyday while negating completely the potential of women as something other than housewife.
So of course, it's okay for women to say "I want to stay at home", but this choice is still going against her interest.
This is by far the most clueless thing you've said in this thread. It's perfectly okay for women to stay at home when they chose to do it—it's not against their interest by any metric if it's their own choice to not have a job. It's up to them whether they want to have a job or not. Being a corporate slave isn't the only way to live your life.
 
thats why i said fuck them kids
You live in a relatively progressive city where you can say that and find a childfree girl who doesn't mind and your relatives won't press you too much on it

A lot of men globally can't really do that, they get pressured into marriage and having kids early which will kill any chance of advancing their careers because a lot of Societies haven't caught up that marrying late is better in this day and age and think "my parents married me off when I was 18 so my son should get married as soon as possible"

It's a sad state of affairs
 
Listen. If a woman wants to stay at home and exclusively raise her kids then I support her right to do so. If she wants to go out there and work, be independent, and fuck whoever she wants, I support that as well. Traditional gender roles are dead in a sense, we ought to choose how we want to live life without the constraints of what society expects from us based on our gender and sexual orientation. I'm a screenwriter and work a middle level job at a broadcasting company. My wife works in IT and does really well financially. If we have kids I would have more time to be at home and take care of them. I'm not gonna force her to quit her job and raise them full time. This idea of the man being the leader is also outdated. When it comes to big financial decisions, we both have to agree before making them, why be so worried about who has the final say instead of working as a unit and agreeing on what's the best course of action? You guys can keep advocating for these outdated values and deny they are sexist all you want, MOST WOMEN DON'T WANT WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING. And failing to recognize them as equals will not help you find a woman that's willing to take you.
 
You live in a relatively progressive city where you can say that and find a childfree girl who doesn't mind and your relatives won't press you too much on it

A lot of men globally can't really do that, they get pressured into marriage and having kids early which will kill any chance of advancing their careers because a lot of Societies haven't caught up that marrying late is better in this day and age and think "my parents married me off when I was 18 so my son should get married as soon as possible"

It's a sad state of affairs
Well I still want kids, maybe when I’m 35 or something lol

But isn’t this thread mostly about western society?
 
These are the collective responsibilities of both parents signed up for when they decided to be parents
It should be that way, it's not in reality.


You don't get paid for wiping out your ass. Similarly, it's not a job that deserves pay when you're cleaning the house that you live in or when you're raising your own children.
Tell any housewife that what they do in the house is not a job and you will see how you will be received.

Saying "it's a job" is a ways to recognize the actual labor nature of the work done in the household by women who are forced by situation to stay at home. It's necessary. And keeping the house alive + taking care of children is the equivalent of TWO jobs.

So yeah, it should be taken care of by both partners.


You're actively demonizing stay-at-home parents to glorify the working class.
No, it's a ok choice. We just need to be aware of the mental workload behind it. That's why instead of defending the value of staying at home we must first open the door for women to keep them outside the consevative status.

In short, to help women emancipate themself, we must prioritize helping the status of women progress FIRST instead of promoting the already existing conservative status.


This is by far the most clueless thing you've said in this thread. It's perfectly okay for women to stay at home when they chose to do it
Like I said, the choice in itself is okay. We just need to be aware of the nature of that choice and what it imply for the future of said individual. In this case, it means a greater mental workload on the woman's shoulders.


it's not against their interest by any metric
It is.


if it's their own choice to not have a job
Like I said, it's their choice. The choice is not what I'm targetting, it's the implication of that choice. Things that women must be aware of before making that choice.


Being a corporate slave isn't the only way to live your life.
Being a corporate slave doesn't stop at the doorstep. The housewife status is as much a consequence of the patriarcal and capitalist society that enseless jobs in society are.


Its evolved into marriages
No it did not. Mariage is a social construct. A pretty recent one in fact when we look at the history of humanity.
 
you do realize we create social constructs based off biology right? Like gender is the biggest example of that, gender is based off biological sex
Well that is an entire different conversion. The question here is, do biology is the base for a social construct like mariage. The answer is no. no.

Concerning the other thing: technically, both gender and biological sex are social construct.
 
Well that is an entire different conversion. The question here is, do biology is the base for a social construct like mariage. The answer is no. no.

Concerning the other thing: technically, both gender and biological sex are social construct.
Just pointing out that “it’s a social construct” is a bad response. We base some social constructs of biological truths
 
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