Powers & Abilities Why do people ignore power counters/matchups?

sanjikun

sanjikun

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Unless the gap between two opponents is >= 2-3 Tiers in difference (i.e. Big Mom and Brook), power counter and matchups matter and MATTER A LOT. No, Enel and Luffy isn't the only case of this. It happens ALL the time.

For Luffy vs. Kaido, I still see people saying Luffy can't solo Kaido because of Kaido's level, while ignoring that Luffy specifically trained to GET A DIRECT COUNTER to Kaido. If Luffy is calm enough to use Future Sight properly (and avoids being one shot) and has advanced CoA, he is around Fujitora's level. And he has a DIRECT counter to Kaido, so what's stopping him from beating Kaido 1 v. 1? Luffy half the time isn't at the "level" of the guys he beats.

It was the same shit with Cracker. Katakuri states he = Luffy and their CoC clash = equal. Yet, people still kept saying he was <= Cracker, and a few FS flashes made him Katakuri level. Hoooooleeeeee. Cracker had a matchup advantage against Luffy. That's it. If Cracker was really = Gear 4, he wouldn't be hiding like a bitch behind his soldiers.

Enel isn't the only example. Luffy was doing Yonko Commander level shit in Alabasta because of "water" vs. "sand"





He clearly wasn't Yonko Commander level pre-TS, because even in MF he stated Ace was above him. But he used a DIRECT COUNTER (water/blood) to beat a guy stronger than him.
 
SHIHI

SHIHI

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sanjikun said:
Unless the gap between two opponents is >= 2-3 Tiers in difference (i.e. Big Mom and Brook), power counter and matchups matter and MATTER A LOT. No, Enel and Luffy isn't the only case of this. It happens ALL the time.

For Luffy vs. Kaido, I still see people saying Luffy can't solo Kaido because of Kaido's level, while ignoring that Luffy specifically trained to GET A DIRECT COUNTER to Kaido. If Luffy is calm enough to use Future Sight properly (and avoids being one shot) and has advanced CoA, he is around Fujitora's level. And he has a DIRECT counter to Kaido, so what's stopping him from beating Kaido 1 v. 1? Luffy half the time isn't at the "level" of the guys he beats.

It was the same shit with Cracker. Katakuri states he = Luffy and their CoC clash = equal. Yet, people still kept saying he was <= Cracker, and a few FS flashes made him Katakuri level. Hoooooleeeeee. Cracker had a matchup advantage against Luffy. That's it. If Cracker was really = Gear 4, he wouldn't be hiding like a bitch behind his soldiers.
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No, Luffy had a matchup advantage against Cracker, Nami’s rain. Still couldn’t defeat him for 11 hours.
 
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Jo_Ndule

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:josad:WB = Young Oden
Their CoC matched too

BM = Luffy, their CoC matched too.

The moment kata said I don't think of you as inferior is when liffy CoO already upgrading.

That wasnt the same luffy in DR. And that was when Kata stabbed himself. Kata went on to trash and motivate Luffy to stand up. What kinda equals is that?

Only when Luffy fully unlocked FS that when he was equal to Base Kata.

You still salty that Cracker stalemated g4.

Cracker didnt hide behind his soldiers , he confronted Luffy head many times.
That how he fights.
 
sanjikun

sanjikun

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Jo_Ndule said:
:josad:WB = Young Oden
Their CoC matched too

BM = Luffy, their CoC matched too.
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That never fucking happened. That was just Haki sparks.



This was their Haki spheres colliding equally



Jo_Ndule said:
The moment kata said I don't think of you as inferior is when liffy CoO already upgrading.
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Yes. You're saying he went from < Cracker to = Katakuri, because he saw the future 5 Times. Do you know how dumb that sounds

Jo_Ndule said:
You still salty that Cracker stalemated g4.
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Cracker got 1 shot by Gear 4. Which is my point.

Luffy got beat up by Sanji, fought Enraged Army, went to prison, got 1 hour of sleep, and fought Katakuri the rest of the next day.
 
majinbe

majinbe

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Luffy got beat up by Sanji, fought Enraged Army, went to prison, got 1 hour of sleep, and fought Katakuri the rest of the next day.

And he was training learning FS and wanting to beat Kat at full power.
 
ranady

ranady

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Well yeah cracker is one of people with bad matchup for luffy. Considering luffy is a brawler and doesnt have long range and wide range attack, it's hard for him to reach cracker body. And at that moment luffy stated that cracker's CoA is something, it seems that cracker CoA was stronger than luffy's so thats why it's not easy to get close to his real body. Katakuri could've done better against cracker because of his awakening is wide range. Same with doflamingo. So yeah sometimes matchup matters a lot in battle, especially for ones with around equal tiers
 
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trav

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cause they would otherwise have to think too much and their [my favorite] >>>> anyone else narrative falls appart.
whats worse is that circumstances are ignored as well. not every fight, even between the same characters, will play out equally.
we have the canon proof that a win over a character does not mean that you can win vs them every time. Crocodile, W7/El, Ceasar...
 
nik87

nik87

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Makes a thread Why ppl ignore power counters/matchups and then says this:
sanjikun said:
If Cracker was really = Gear 4, he wouldn't be hiding like a bitch behind his soldiers.
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He was hiding like a bitch behind his soldiers because they are what allowed him to counter Luffy in the first place.
His soldiers are the counter that you speak of.

Regarding Kaido, Luffy doesnt have a counter. He only bought a ticket for the show.
What's stopping him from 1vs1-ing Kaido? Sit back and watch how Kaido mops the floor with him and everyone else...

While in Boundman, Luffy was always above Katakuri but Katakuri had an effective counter for it.
Had he used Snakeman from the start he could have countered FS but it wouldnt be enough to beat Katakuri.
 
Worst

Worst

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Enel and Croco were superior to Luffy bc of their ability (logia) if they were YC level physically taking a punch from pre pre ts G2 etc Luffy should have just tickled them.....they had a wall (their DF)Luffy had to go around to beat them.
Kaido doesn't have that wall he is THE wall that Luffy have to break there is no way to counter Kaido if not beating the sh** out of him untill he can't move anymore and Luffy alone can't do that atm hell probably only BM and some help could do that and would take her a lot of time , this is the thriller bark on a massive amount of steroids, the counter to Moria's zombies was the salt, here are the punches.....
The counter to Kaido is a super duper tag team it would be imho more believable and epic from both sides actually, imagine at the very end these crazy pannels with both sides covered in blood ,Kaido performing the last charge towards Luffy Kidd Law
:finally:
 
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Jo_Ndule

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sanjikun said:
That never fucking happened. That was just Haki sparks.



This was their Haki spheres colliding equally





Yes. You're saying he went from < Cracker to = Katakuri, because he saw the future 5 Times. Do you know how dumb that sounds



Cracker got 1 shot by Gear 4. Which is my point.

Luffy got beat up by Sanji, fought Enraged Army, went to prison, got 1 hour of sleep, and fought Katakuri the rest of the next day.
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Lol it was CoC burst between BM and Luffy
Between WB and Oden
Nice try

Oneshotted via his own biscuits that stalemated g4 boundman

he Luffy that stalemated Kata had better Speed and CoO than the one DR luffy you wank

You can try spin it like you want.

FS made Kata low diff Boundman no FS , FS boundman would still not win

FS is a huge boost which makes Luffy low/mid diff his Pre FS version.

It is dumb just like you sound dumb already from how you think

You think the battle is decided always by how powerful you punch.
Luffy was better at AP, endurance than Kata but CoA CoO , Speed and all other stats he was inferior prior FS and Snakeman

"Saw the future 5x"
Does it matter? Luffy CoO upgraded... even before Kata stabbed himself, luffy CoO was already catching up to his as Kata was saying to himself.

The battle is decided by how Great you are overall not by AP alone!
Luffy couldnt beat Cracker with g4 boundman cause he was unskilled and weak to do so!
Luffy had no chance pre FS and snakeman vs Kata cause he was unskilled and too weak.
Luffy couldn't damage Kaido cause he was extra extra weak , and unskilled to counter his dura

Also that Kata "I dont see you below anymore " statement is when Luffy CoO was near FS l! That Luffy wasn't the same one as before, depsite the self stab, Kata still trashed .

Stay salty
 
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Jo_Ndule

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"Cracket got oneshotted "
Genius a dude who hates pain... after spending hours being weakened, stamina lost

Got blown by a fatter version of Tankman through hard biscuits.

Remind me again if Doffy can tank that and be able to fight, tankman probably 2 shot Doffy. In fact Doffy can't evej damage Tankman since Tankman defence >boundman . He failed to damage boundman.

Hard biscuits>>>>stones, steels , Buildings that Luffy has been breaking with g2/g3 prior cracker battle.
 
Uncle Van

Uncle Van

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I say some need to realize what a counter/bad match up even is.....

Cracker counters Luffy for being too tough? Same for Kaido....Luffy simply lacked the attack power to do work....Luffy was weaker than them plan and simple same goes for Katakuri....since when is being too fast considered a bad match up? Mingo was simply weaker than Boundman....

By this logic, Lucci countered Luffy in EL....Luffy countered Chinjao in DR and so on.....ACOA isnt a counter to Kaido and again, its like saying hitting too hard is a counter for people you can hurt.
 
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