Powers & Abilities Why do people ignore power counters/matchups?
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Imagine thinking Cracker can tank this, if Luffy comes from the top down.
I blame Oda tbh. Ever since Marineford he hypes Commanders more than he should, when they always end up getting one shot or fodderized without a proper battle. How many Commanders have been one shot to date?
I blame Oda tbh. Ever since Marineford he hypes Commanders more than he should, when they always end up getting one shot or fodderized without a proper battle. How many Commanders have been one shot to date?
Yeah that's the main reason why you still salty You wanted warlords to look better, they arent
Doffy got trashed by g4 like fodder. Need help to handle law/g2 luffy , distraction to capture Jozu offguard.
Moriah lol Jinbei says hello
Jinbei matched by rookie Ace
Mihawk lol vista says hello
Hancock a fangirl
Croco losing to pre gears Luffy lol
Law? lol
Kuma Teach Weevil are exceptions.
Jozu Queen Lost to top tiers
Cracker stalrmated g4 , then lost to another g4 via his own clones after 1a hrs
Kata matched fs luffy , trashed his other gears.
The story is originalky about luffy fecing Yonko and their crewsWarlords were added after , and warlords have been trash. Kaido doesnt deem them worth praise
Wait.. Kaido , Kaido underling, all see doffy as weakling and idiot
That's so bad. Is this trolling or what? G4 could take down Cracker's soldier's in ca. 1-2 punches. Being able to do that is in no way a lack of strength, but a proof that's it's perfectly sufficient (it's basically the minimum, and extremely fast for what is supposed to be a strong opponent...).
Nami's rain wasn't used as a strength boost at all, but to simply eat them! As simple as that. Do you even remember why Luffy suddenly got fat?
Not even every strength based fighter (whoever that is supposed to be exactly...) has the reach of Luffy to cut through a long row of enemies, or the ability to make a "huge fist" to potentially blow away everything at once. The level when this becomes "no problem at all" (with or without huge fist or physical reach) based on pure brute strength is already Yonko level.
A better fighter, like Katakuri, would likely simply advance to Cracker himself without taking every single soldier down in under a second, by better Colour of Observation and evasion (e.g. Katakuri would simply "snake through" as Mochi, although he could cover a bit more ground with his fist as well).
Luffy simply got exhausted from having to punch at high strength and speed non-stop, even while evading (at not top level), and his G4 was constantly running out. (Cracker on the other hand could relatively easily spawn several more soldiers at once.) This is however a completely different debate than whether the punches are physically "strong" enough, i.e. able to punch through the warriors and destroy them one by one with just a few punches each.
Again this. Emphasizing Cracker's clones in his loss is pure pedantery. Yes, they were there, however it would also have worked if there were a wall of rock... It's like saying Doflamingo was taken out with the help of the "ground".
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Yonko/Admiral level, but Cracker can't have his little army blitzed or annihilated all at once by pure "strength" of one of his own tier. Except if someone is a good match-up with a similar "hax" DF... (E.g. look Nami, who of course was not enough alone but is extremely low tier with no strength at all.)
It could still be that it's near the top of his level in strength, indeed that is what we've seen. Katakuri's punches seemed to hurt a little bit more, but overall they seemed close in strength (if hardness is even the same as strength here). And G4 is very wasteful, so it might be with greater focus (and the new technique) it is much better.
But Luffy is growing (and training) also in base strength constantly, so it's clear it's not yet good enough.
But Luffy is growing (and training) also in base strength constantly, so it's clear it's not yet good enough.
But to be sure, I mean other fighters could WIN against Cracker not by destroying every single warrior at once (which is a feat that simply not everyone has or one should expect as a standard "strong" feat), but by simply fighting better and going more straight for Cracker himself (e.g. evasion or as Mochi, and destroying select fighters in his path). In terms of strength Luffy in any case is not deficient in destroying the warriors, as simple as that.
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G4 does have Yonko/Admiral level AP lol.
There is no one who isnt Big Mom or Kaido that can or will be able to block an attack from Bounceman without some hax DF ability or high level CoA mastery or both.
Katakuri got some of the hardest hardening yet and G4 simply overpowered that. Just like it overpowered Doflamingo, and the durability of Cracker's biscuit soldier.
AP was never the issue with Luffy. It's the fact he didnt have enough versatility outside of G4 to make a difference in fights. He cant stay in G4 forever since Haki is finite and his base sucks. It's either you improve your Haki or continue risking your life with basic Haki and relying a super saiyen form that renders you powerless after 30 to 40 minutes.
Destroying the soldiers was never the fucking issue. He could do that easily with one or two Kong Guns. Problem is Cracker hard counters the brute strength fighting style by being able to keep recreating an infinite wall at will. Cracker vs Luffy was a bad matchup. Swordsmen or people with AoE hax abilities would have a better time than brawlers without full mastery over CoA.
Bounceman is stronger than Katakuri period. But all that power didnt mean shit because Luffy couldnt hit him. It's like saying Flash is stronger than Superman because he can be intangible and not get physically touched by superman, knowing damn well Superman can benchpress planets and hurt nig-gas that can survive black holes with his punches.
I see the point SanjiKun is making and I agree with it. Though I dont 100% agree with every argument here. Atleast he's right that matchups do matter. And unless the gap is as massive as Big Mom and Brook, match ups will continue to matter. Oda had to give everyone hax abilities or characters had to have some unnatural fucking durability to contend with G4's power so far lol
There is no one who isnt Big Mom or Kaido that can or will be able to block an attack from Bounceman without some hax DF ability or high level CoA mastery or both.
Katakuri got some of the hardest hardening yet and G4 simply overpowered that. Just like it overpowered Doflamingo, and the durability of Cracker's biscuit soldier.
AP was never the issue with Luffy. It's the fact he didnt have enough versatility outside of G4 to make a difference in fights. He cant stay in G4 forever since Haki is finite and his base sucks. It's either you improve your Haki or continue risking your life with basic Haki and relying a super saiyen form that renders you powerless after 30 to 40 minutes.
Destroying the soldiers was never the fucking issue. He could do that easily with one or two Kong Guns. Problem is Cracker hard counters the brute strength fighting style by being able to keep recreating an infinite wall at will. Cracker vs Luffy was a bad matchup. Swordsmen or people with AoE hax abilities would have a better time than brawlers without full mastery over CoA.
Bounceman is stronger than Katakuri period. But all that power didnt mean shit because Luffy couldnt hit him. It's like saying Flash is stronger than Superman because he can be intangible and not get physically touched by superman, knowing damn well Superman can benchpress planets and hurt nig-gas that can survive black holes with his punches.
I see the point SanjiKun is making and I agree with it. Though I dont 100% agree with every argument here. Atleast he's right that matchups do matter. And unless the gap is as massive as Big Mom and Brook, match ups will continue to matter. Oda had to give everyone hax abilities or characters had to have some unnatural fucking durability to contend with G4's power so far lol
Garp most likely has Advanced Haki Hax. So no he wouldn't.
Shit like Penetration Haki would probably love tap Cracker's biscuits without the expense of losing all your Haki after 30+ minutes. And Garp has better Observation than pre Katakuri fight Luffy.
As I said Luffy's AP was fine. He could destroy the biscuits. His Haki was just too basic and without the full hax abilities it provides Luffy wasnt that versatile. Since that shit wasnt in his arsenal, Luffy was just a plain old brawler that hits hard physically. Which Cracker's DF and fighting style hard countered.
The fact that Oda went out of his way give Luffy's opponents hax abilities that would counter him despite being him being more powerful proves Sanjikun's point that matchups matter.
Shit like Penetration Haki would probably love tap Cracker's biscuits without the expense of losing all your Haki after 30+ minutes. And Garp has better Observation than pre Katakuri fight Luffy.
As I said Luffy's AP was fine. He could destroy the biscuits. His Haki was just too basic and without the full hax abilities it provides Luffy wasnt that versatile. Since that shit wasnt in his arsenal, Luffy was just a plain old brawler that hits hard physically. Which Cracker's DF and fighting style hard countered.
The fact that Oda went out of his way give Luffy's opponents hax abilities that would counter him despite being him being more powerful proves Sanjikun's point that matchups matter.
That didnt stop him from giving Luffy trouble for 11 hours. Luffy is stronger and faster than Cracker in Bounceman.
It dont seem like it takes any time at all to reform the biscuits. Cracker times his shit carefully and tried to kill Luffy when he would destroy a soldier/soldiers. Not trying to engaging him directly
It dont seem like it takes any time at all to reform the biscuits. Cracker times his shit carefully and tried to kill Luffy when he would destroy a soldier/soldiers. Not trying to engaging him directly