Break Week Why do some people lie about Luffys state after fighting Lucci?

[Moegara]

Oh I like Lucci, hes one of my favorite antagonists. I just dislike lying and disingenuousity for the sake of agenda.

Lucci recovered because he is awakened, this feat is overblown I mean you dont see people wanking the shit out of the minotaur that got one punched by Luffy because he got up a few pages later. Its the same thing for me.

Leaving Luffy, Kizaru or Zoro aside, I don't like dismissing the feat either.

It's a part of their skillset in the end. Crocodile did wank the Minotaurs in-story for it, despite he himself being miles stronger than them in every other area, and we wank Luffy for his own awakened abilities.

My assumption is that there must be some sort of limit to their recovery and regeneration, if they don't stay down I see it as Luffy simply not having injured them enough (despite being clearly stronger, and having held back on aCoC, which is a big condition).

 

[Fujishiro]

Leaving Luffy, Kizaru or Zoro aside, I don't like dismissing the feat either.

It's a part of their skillset in the end. Crocodile did wank the Minotaurs in-story for it, despite he himself being miles stronger than them in every other area, and we wank Luffy for his own awakened abilities.

My assumption is that there must be some sort of limit to their recovery and regeneration, if they don't stay down I see it as Luffy simply not having injured them enough (despite being clearly stronger, and having held back on aCoC, which is a big condition).

So far we saw no such limit, maybe outright killing them but this is One Piece.

Which is why Its going to be interesting when Zoro wins and puts Lucci down, for however long that is.

 

[Ryuarashi]

No limit on doing whatever it takes to make it seem like Zoro is equal or close to Luffy in power.

 

[Moegara]

So far we saw no such limit, maybe outright killing them but this is One Piece.

Which is why Its going to be interesting when Zoro wins and puts Lucci down, for however long that is.

If Zoro actually puts Lucci down in a way he doesn't get up anymore for the arc it will be huge.

Then again, I'm starting to fear their fight will be interrupted by the plot and Zoro will get slandered to hell.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Then again, I'm starting to fear their fight will be interrupted by the plot and Zoro will get slandered to hell.

Why would anyone slander Zoro for that? His captain only put down Lucci temporarily.

 

[Moegara]

Why would anyone slander Zoro for that? His captain only put down Lucci temporarily.

It's not me you need to convince, I'm happy whatever we get, but you know how the fandom works.

Zoro's blood has been in the water for weeks just for two panels of Zoro not having instantly killed Lucci and getting more serious.

 

[Fujishiro]

If Zoro actually puts Lucci down in a way he doesn't get up anymore for the arc it will be huge.

Then again, I'm starting to fear their fight will be interrupted by the plot and Zoro will get slandered to hell.

No villain stays down forever thats the issue, but even if Zoro manages to keep him down for a time thats a good feat.

 

[Cruxroux]

G5 without ACoC wouldnt have beaten Kaido.

And vice versa.
Luffy already fought with all forms haki with g4. And got bonked.
G5 was changing factor here , not haki.

 

[Fujishiro]

And vice versa.
Luffy already fought with all forms haki with g4. And got bonked.
G5 was changing factor here , not haki.

It wasnt the only changing factor is what Im saying, he needed both.

 

[Moegara]

No villain stays down forever thats the issue, but even if Zoro manages to keep him down for a time thats a good feat.

Well, yeah, but remember Lucci himself after Enies Lobby. Sure, it was a different time and he wasn't awakened, but he stayed KOed for literal weeks and needed medical attention.

That's how it is with most bosses after an "actual fight". Or even for our heroes some times. Even Luffy, another awakened zoan, had bandages weeks after the Kaido fight.

I hope Lucci actually gets that treatment again (and not because I hate him, I want to see his current self go all out and be put down because I really like him).

 

[Cruxroux]

It wasnt the only changing factor is what Im saying, he needed both.

Haki remained same. With all advanced type.
Awakening are generally considered peak.
Don't come up with low grade df with awakening confusing it with me saying Awakening is peak.

How is a mythical fruit , the most important fruit in the series awakening is not peak?
Luffy called G5 his peak not All haki form mastered peak.
Garp probably has all form of haki too.
No DF + Physcial strength with haki at peak.
For him haki is peak.
For luffy G5 is peak.

 

[Topi Jerami]

No villain stays down forever thats the issue, but even if Zoro manages to keep him down for a time thats a good feat.

Cracker stays down forever until arc changes
Nika and Stussy can't take down the goat

 

[Fujishiro]

Cracker stays down forever until arc changes
Nika and Stussy can't take down the goat

I tagged you in this :

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/worstgen-crew-randomizer-tournament.52949/post-5092873

Did you get the tag? I just wanna make sure that it works.

 

[BleakAsh]

Coz they delulu

 

[Topi Jerami]

I tagged you in this :

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/worstgen-crew-randomizer-tournament.52949/post-5092873

Did you get the tag? I just wanna make sure that it works.

I did, haven't read though 😅

Anyway you still haven't answered how Dressrosa Luffy is not GETTING DESTROYED by post TS Lucci?
He didn't have advanced hakis nor awakening. His G4 time limit was really short and it is as if it is any useful, while Lucci can tank Egghead G5. He would spend his time with basic haki G2/G3 which is really fodder. Not exaggerating, post TS Luffy is fodder. Lucci low diffs the bum

 

[Fujishiro]

I did, haven't read though 😅

Anyway you still haven't answered how Dressrosa Luffy is not GETTING DESTROYED by post TS Lucci?
He didn't have advanced hakis nor awakening. His G4 time limit was really short and it is as if it is any useful, while Lucci can tank Egghead G5. He would spend his time with basic haki G2/G3 which is really fodder. Not exaggerating, post TS Luffy is fodder. Lucci low diffs the bum

Because DR Luffy is ~ YC3 and Lucci is around YC1.

His Boundman is strong but it has a time limit, so Id give it to Lucci mid/high diff. All he has to do is time Luffy out.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Because DR Luffy is ~ YC3 and Lucci is around YC1.

His Boundman is strong but it has a time limit, so Id give it to Lucci mid/high diff. All he has to do is time Luffy out.

Lucci > unlimited Boundman though?
Lucci already floored W7 Luffy and Zoro together in direct brawler and he could do it again in Dressrosa.
Boundman was more or less on par with Katakuri, but Katakuri relied more on FS than direct brawler like Lucci. Without advanced CoA, Boundman won't do shit to Lucci.

But yeah as you say, Boundman has a time limit. Without G4, what can Luffy do in his G2/G3? Best G2 G3 could do was defeating someone like Ceasar, Hody, Chinjao. Afterward it could only defeat fodder like Holdem. He gets destroyed really hard without G4. Post advanced Coa and FS Luffy even admitted he would need G4 against someone like Ulti.

So how is post TS Luffy pushing this past low diff?

 

[Artem]

Kaido: Haki trumps all.

Kaido: Only a handful of the very strongest can use ACoC, its the power of the very strongest.

Curxroux: aWakEnIng is PeaK.

G5 without ACoC wouldnt have beaten Kaido.

Kizaru blocked Goofy's acoc with one hand without using haki.

 

[M944]

On the other hand, the way Kizaru was put out of commission for a while with a single aCoC punch was also laughable for Kizaru (precisely because he's expected to be a top tier. No one ever expected him to be a tank like Kaido but one punch is too much). Oda simply needed him out for a while

Still Kizaru got one taped and unless Kizaru he's able to tank stronger blows from Luffy. It will stay as a massive antifeat.

Now that we have gotten more chapters we have a wider picture... Kizaru is definitely looking better in the end. He's up and about like nothing happened, while Luffy is having to "recharge" by eating like a cow and it's still taking him longer to get up, he could have died a hundred times by now. But it doesn't feel like a "Kizaru greatness" moment, it feels like a competition to see who did slightly less terribly in this fumble of a fight.

Completely absurd.
You said it himself Kizaru got one taped something we wouldn't expect from a top tier (adding it's not even some high tier move) whereas Luffy's stamina's issue exist since G4. He was already eating a lot to recover from G4 in both Katakuri or Cracker fights.
Secondly Luffy still eating when he should know what is happening (CoO) isn't needed ?

 

[Shasha23]

@Fujishiro my guy while you are not completely wrong you are making lots of disingenuous claims about Luffy and Lucci

The whole exchange was just a callback to their last fight, G5 Luffy was dominating awakened Lucci just like how back then G2 Luffy toyed with Lucci, you guys are trying to nitpick too much on irrelevant things.