Character Discussion Why does Fandom see Weevil as one of the weakest Warlords?

[Ven437]

Who gassed Weevil first, us or the guy that literally said he's as strong as young WB you clown BM fan

Young WB:
-Handsome
-ACoC
-Gura
-Primetime body
-Clashed with Roger’s haki
->=100 IQ

Weevil:
-Retard
-No haki feats
-No DF
-Ugly as shit
-Disposable as a warlord
-Offscreened in first real scuffle

Twerkbull stans:
“iN tErMs Of StReNgTh! He’s must be relative Primebeard! So is GB!”

Weevil has physical strength down but he’s a complete dumbass. Bottom-tier child mental retardation and manipulated solely by his mother. Grownass adult on his own he would die in a few days. Not even sure Weevil can beat Hody or Caesar as they were in their final forms tbh

 

[nik87]

Because its hard for then to believe that he is as strong as primeBeard.

 

[Buusatan94]

Weevil is just one of the many characters dropped the ball with, with Weevil failing to do anything meaningful or impressive since his introduction, alongside his stupidity and design that doesn't help make people interested in him.

I do agree with GarpTheFist, it feels like Weevil was originally set to be an antagonist to Marco and Luffy, with him going to have a confrontation with Marco at Sphinx Island only for this subplot to be scrapped, and Weevil to turn goodie and protect Sphinx in Marco's absence without any reason or anything being given to justify his Face Turn, another mess of Wano arc.

 

[moreha9685]

Weevil will be amongst the strongest warlords by virtue of being reserved for an EOS arc alone. The longer it takes Oda to have him do something, the stronger he will have to be to keep up with the powercreep. Same as with Urouge.

I just wish Oda had shown us at least one panel of Weevil in action. I don't think readers would held him in such low esteem if Oda had sent a whole Marine group to try and capture him on Sphinx Island--a whole contingent of VAs led by Smoker (giving him some more deserved panel time and tying into his desire to abolish the Shichibukai system). If we were shown the aftermath of a 10v1 battle, with only Smoker vs Weevil still standing, and if then Weevil gave up only because of his mother's request once an Admiral decided to join the fray, all factions would've earned some aura from the incident.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Title of past

Real question here: how do we know that Mihawk's WSS is not title of past? While whenever he faces someone worthy, he kept either asking postponement, going home, or retreating and joining Circus Guild?

Another question. When did the last time Mihawk try to defend his title?
Baratie arc against EB Zoro? If that didn't count, then before the story began?

 

[Dragon777]

He doesn't look ambitious enough to me for CoC.

He wanted to go against BB, for once. I don't see him lesser than Yamato at the very least.

I can barely see him at YC2/3 level.

That's where primebeard would fall too without haki/DF powers.
Because Jozu sort of lifted entire Ice berg. And that shit was massive. Just raw strength doesn't get you far.

That is just the VC statemtne about his arms. Kizaru said "as a pirate" Weevil is a strong as Young WB an he is "tremdously powerful".

Can you imagine this statement for Smoothie? or Cracker.
Not to mention dropping a Young WB compairson with them.


Imho, it's clear Weevil is well above any normal YC and near to tiers, who regard him as above.

 

[moreha9685]

Another question. When did the last time Mihawk try to defend his title?
Baratie arc against EB Zoro?

Baratie Zoro is a Mr Nobody. Mihawk didn't defend shit against him; he barely swung an arm.

And Zoro was already a proficient swordsman by then. If the average OP swordsman is around East Blue Zoro's level, then showing a thousand nobody mosquitos being crashed again and again by Knife-using Mihawk would just be a waste of panel.

But it's also such a waste that Oda couldn't come up with a middle ground to show Mihawk's WSS title at work beyond the little iceberg slash in MF.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Baratie Zoro is a Mr Nobody. Mihawk didn't defend shit against him; he barely swung an arm.

And Zoro was already a proficient swordsman by then. If the average OP swordsman is around East Blue Zoro's level, then showing a thousand nobody mosquitos being crashed again and again by Knife-using Mihawk would just be a waste of panel.

But it's also such a waste that Oda couldn't come up with a middle ground to show Mihawk's WSS title at work beyond the little iceberg slash in MF.

I was very sure that people in Wano: Country of Swordsmen would worship Mihawk as much as Elbaf giants worship Shanks...
But nope... He wasn't even mentioned once by Wano residents.. Instead the residents are busy sucking Oden's little dick. Even if Wano residents worship Oden, at least we can have a mini flashback where Mihawk randomly going to Wano like Ace, meet Oden and Oden challenged him for the title, but then Oden was defeated just like Shanks defeated Loki. But nope..

At this moment, I am sure Oda is respecting Shiryu: the man who retired Hero of the Marines Garp The Fist, rather than this bum who never defended his title in 1100+ chapters.

 

[moreha9685]

I was very sure that people in Wano: Country of Swordsmen would worship Mihawk as much as Elbaf giants worship Shanks...
But nope... He wasn't even mentioned once by Wano residents.. Instead the residents are busy sucking Oden's little dick. Even if Wano residents worship Oden, at least we can have a mini flashback where Mihawk randomly going to Wano like Ace, meet Oden and Oden challenged him for the title, but then Oden was defeated just like Shanks defeated Loki. But nope..

At this moment, I am sure Oda is respecting Shiryu: the man who retired Hero of the Marines Garp The Fist, rather than this bum who never defended his title in 1100+ chapters.

If anything, I would have expected Wano swordsmen to despise Mihawk, since he is a WG man claiming to be better than their Sword God Ryuma.

But nope, any mention of swords and swordsmanship was scraped once we reached Wano. Luffy was given a katana to slap around, yet nobody ever spoke of the island's katana-making tradition. Even the tengu fuck was inconsequential, despite his being a blacksmith.

 

[Topi Jerami]

I was very sure that people in Wano: Country of Swordsmen would worship Mihawk as much as Elbaf giants worship Shanks...
But nope... He wasn't even mentioned once by Wano residents.. Instead the residents are busy sucking Oden's little dick. Even if Wano residents worship Oden, at least we can have a mini flashback where Mihawk randomly going to Wano like Ace, meet Oden and Oden challenged him for the title, but then Oden was defeated just like Shanks defeated Loki. But nope..

At this moment, I am sure Oda is respecting Shiryu: the man who retired Hero of the Marines Garp The Fist, rather than this bum who never defended his title in 1100+ chapters.

Agree? @Kōri no kokyū @nik87 @Blackbeard

If anything, I would have expected Wano swordsmen to despise Mihawk, since he is a WG man claiming to be better than their Sword God Ryuma.

Country of Swordsmen yet they all never hear the tale of World's Strongest Swordsman

 

[Dragon777]

Anyway, i'm not saying you're wrong, nor am i saying i can't be wrong,
But i'm gonna keep my Expectations High for his Power (A DF as Powerful as Ace's or Crocodile's or Kuma's or Law's ... etc),
But Low Expectations for his Mental Age,

I get it, even though, being "born" 35 years ago it's quite difficult to go around. But Oda is Oda.

We'll see.

Show don’t tell

All very well having him hyped in his introduction, but it’s been nearly ten years since then. What’s he done since? Beat up fodder and get off-panelled and captured in his first relevant fight.

I think there’s very strong hints that Oda just cut a plotline between Weevil and Marco. First Weevil’s introduced as a big destructive threat beating up the Whitebeard allied captains, Marco says he can’t go to Wano because of it, then all of a sudden off panel it’s all resolved and Weevil is heroically protecting Sphinx. And he doesn’t actually do anything as a Warlord before it’s disbanded.

Weevil is just one of the many characters dropped the ball with, with Weevil failing to do anything meaningful or impressive since his introduction, alongside his stupidity and design that doesn't help make people interested in him.

I do agree with GarpTheFist, it feels like Weevil was originally set to be an antagonist to Marco and Luffy, with him going to have a confrontation with Marco at Sphinx Island only for this subplot to be scrapped, and Weevil to turn goodie and protect Sphinx in Marco's absence without any reason or anything being given to justify his Face Turn, another mess of Wano arc.

I don't think this - which was Oda's original plan about Weevil since 2017 - could be about Weevil vs Marco:

Seems a completely different plotline to me.

Also, Weevil was very recently not only brought up again with GB and Marco, but connected to Vegapunk and the clones plot:

This doesn't seem an abandoned character to me. If anything, It seems to me someone like Dragon: postponed but connected to the plot.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

He wanted to go against BB, for once. I don't see him lesser than Yamato at the very least.

Just look at their fuckin personality and compare.

That is just the VC statemtne about his arms. Kizaru said "as a pirate" Weevil is a strong as Young WB an he is "tremdously powerful".

My brother , VC cleared out on what kizaru meant by As strong as Whitbeard they are talking about the raw strenght here.

Can you imagine this statement for Smoothie? or Cracker.
Not to mention dropping a Young WB compairson with them.

I can totally. They are considered strong because they are kids of bigmom in the first place. Katakuri is called Invincible , Strong , CoO , Strong CoA , Strong CoC. Awakened fruit.

By all logics yes. In terms of Talent and threat level i can say that.

Weevil isn't Whitebeard but only his raw strength.

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Agree? @Kōri no kokyū @nik87 @Blackbeard

This is reading comprehension is needed. Wano was sealed off.
But black blade was relevent ofc you missed that didn't you. Don't QUOTE me again clown.

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Imho, it's clear Weevil is well above any normal YC and near to tiers, who regard him as above.

Dude for fuck sake stop wanking everything related to Admirals.

VC clearly clarifies Weevil is only Same in terms of arms and Raw strength.

Even jozu had better strength than that.

 

[Dragon777]

Just look at their fuckin personality and compare.

Being a fanboy with no identity vs avenging your father + protecting your father hometown to the bitter end ?

My brother , VC cleared out on what kizaru meant by As strong as Whitbeard they are talking about the raw strenght here.

Nah, the stements are different and even the WB compared to Weevil is different.

I can totally. They are considered strong because they are kids of bigmom in the first place. Katakuri is called Invincible , Strong , CoO , Strong CoA , Strong CoC. Awakened fruit.

By all logics yes. In terms of Talent and threat level i can say that.

You can see a top tier saying that Smoothie is tremendously powerful and as strong as the legendary WB in his youth?

dude for fuck sake stop wanking everything related to Admirals.

I am on Weevil's train since well before the Aramaki thing:

I don't know what he has done specifically, but I hope and I think Weevil is with him and he's a fundamental part of Buggy rise to the top.

Imho, Weevil Is the real force behind the new Buggy's status.

(As you can see, this was well before we knew of he and Aramaki; even before the CG)

Or:

Strong enough to make Kizaru use that compairson. And no, comparing him to a ten-year WB does not make any sense since almost every important pirate would be at least strong as a ten-year-old WB. By that logic, one could say that even pre TS Koby was as strong as a "young WB", meaning (without saying) a 1-year-old WB lol. Obviously, no one would do that.

So yes, he's featless as of now, but that phrase put him on a very high level.

Etc.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Being a fanboy with no identity vs avenging your father + protecting your father hometown to the bitter end ?

- Want to be a samurai
- Wants to kill her own father for Better future.

Infinitely better than Weevil.

Nah, the stements are different and even the WB compared to Weevil is different.

You can see a top tier saying that Smoothie is tremendously powerful and as strong as the legendary WB in his youth?

Yes someone of that caliber isn't taken out. Sure.

Prime Whitebeard was Haki / DF / And raw Strength on Steroids.
Bigmom was called to have FA potential.

Bigmom~> Akainu now?

 

[MonsterKaido]

- Want to be a samurai
- Wants to kill her own father for Better future.

Infinitely better than Weevil.




Yes someone of that caliber isn't taken out. Sure.

Prime Whitebeard was Haki / DF / And raw Strength on Steroids.
Bigmom was called to have FA potential.

Bigmom~> Akainu now?

BM no DF = Akainu

 

[Dragon777]

- Want to be a samurai
- Wants to kill her own father for Better future.

Infinitely better than Weevil.

The sole fact that she wants to live the life as someone else disqualifies her for me. Also, Weevil is not an in depth character for now.
Anyway, for me:

Spoiler

>>> Yamato

Also, I find him positively funny, while Yamato just bothers me

Yes someone of that caliber isn't taken out. Sure.

Prime Whitebeard was Haki / DF / And raw Strength on Steroids.
Bigmom was called to have FA potential.

Bigmom~> Akainu now?

Well, potential is not "he is as strong" anyway.

Also, it's not like I am saying Weeble is as strong as WB in his prime.

 

[[No Name]]

Yeah I am one of the few who put him high in his tier list.
I think he can go toe to toe to old legends honestly.
He would probably be even stronger than some yonkos if he had a proper BIQ.
I expect his endurance, strength to be absurd and I think he got adv. Coc as well.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I get it, even though, being "born" 35 years ago it's quite difficult to go around. But Oda is Oda.

We'll see.




I don't think this - which was Oda's original plan about Weevil since 2017 - could be about Weevil vs Marco:

Seems a completely different plotline to me.

Also, Weevil was very recently not only brought up again with GB and Marco, but connected to Vegapunk and the clones plot:

This doesn't seem an abandoned character to me. If anything, It seems to me someone like Dragon: postponed but connected to the plot.

I don’t think Oda has cut Weevil’s plot totally, just a big chunk of the initial bit where I think he was meant to be an antagonistic figure due to Bakkin’s bad influence.

His introduction ended with him and Bakkin looking at a newspaper article of Luffy, saying they thought he might know Marco, so Weevil was going ti go looking for Luffy to beat him up to find Marco’s location and get Whitebeard’s treasure. That plotlines clearly went nowhere.

Then Marco’s saying to Neko that he can’t leave to go to Wano because Weevil is hunting everyone connected to Whitebeard, that he’ll find Sphinx eventually and that he needs to send Luffy a message from him.

Which is just glossed over totally, Marco arrives at Wano at the exact same time as Neko and the “message“ is him saying he’ll come later.

I think Oda‘s cut a Sphinx arc that was meant to be after Wano and as a set up to Egghead. Initial plan, Marco asks Luffy to come help on Sphinx after Wano, Weevil arrives at the same time, Luffy and Weevil fight, Weevil decides to protect Whitebeard’s true treasure (the people on the island), Bakkin sends the Strawhats to Egghead to see Vegapunk.

It might even have been where Ryokugyu was meant to have been properly introduced with him coming to arrest Weevil, instead of showing up for five seconds at the end of Wano.

 

[kekaro]

Op has now the funniest opportunity to edit title and the entry post into title man
Special shohltouts to show don't tell

 

[Dragon777]

I don’t think Oda has cut Weevil’s plot totally, just a big chunk of the initial bit where I think he was meant to be an antagonistic figure due to Bakkin’s bad influence.

His introduction ended with him and Bakkin looking at a newspaper article of Luffy, saying they thought he might know Marco, so Weevil was going ti go looking for Luffy to beat him up to find Marco’s location and get Whitebeard’s treasure. That plotlines clearly went nowhere.

Then Marco’s saying to Neko that he can’t leave to go to Wano because Weevil is hunting everyone connected to Whitebeard, that he’ll find Sphinx eventually and that he needs to send Luffy a message from him.

Which is just glossed over totally, Marco arrives at Wano at the exact same time as Neko and the “message“ is him saying he’ll come later.

I think Oda‘s cut a Sphinx arc that was meant to be after Wano and as a set up to Egghead. Initial plan, Marco asks Luffy to come help on Sphinx after Wano, Weevil arrives at the same time, Luffy and Weevil fight, Weevil decides to protect Whitebeard’s true treasure (the people on the island), Bakkin sends the Strawhats to Egghead to see Vegapunk.

It might even have been where Ryokugyu was meant to have been properly introduced with him coming to arrest Weevil, instead of showing up for five seconds at the end of Wano.

That could be.

However, I think Weevil "main plot" is still quite there. In fact, it's starting to be real after years of waiting with this clone thing and his fight with Ryokugyu.