Character Discussion Why Hiyori should have been a fighter and why Oda wasted her character

[Ballel]

with men who cook and spoil them like princesses

Do you really think this is all that women want from a man?

sexism is only when it’s done in real life and by taking AWAY choices for the other sex to choose their path

I disagree. Films and TV shows, especially those targeted at kids/teens shape the perception of their target audience.
I'm just saying, had I grown up with One Piece in my late childhood instead of my teens it would have affected me for the worse.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Do you really think this is all that women want from a man?


I disagree. Films and TV shows, especially those targeted at kids/teens shape the perception of their target audience.
I'm just saying, had I grown up with One Piece in my late childhood instead of my teens it would have affected me for the worse.

I said it as an example “regarding the first quote” and not what literally they want

each and everyone has the freedom to create their own fantasy, the moment you try to supress our fantasy to suit your own activist mindset is when we are limited with Zero imagination, which basically means death and assassination of dream fantasia

i’m not a guy who will apply those things in our life, but if even imagination and fantasy is supressrd, I’d rather die than be in that society

 

[Doggo]

I said it as an example “regarding the first quote” and not what literally they want

each and everyone has the freedom to create their own fantasy, the moment you try to supress our fantasy to suit your own activist mindset is when we are limited with Zero imagination, which basically means death and assassination of dream fantasia

i’m not a guy who will apply those things in our life, but if even imagination and fantasy is supressrd, I’d rather die than be in that society

Alright, Andrew Ryan.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Alright, Andrew Ryan.

Who is Andrew Ryan?

 

[Doggo]

@Sadistic Senpai

 

[Peroroncino]

One piece is a shonen meaning "for boys" all the answers are there.
I understand oda you never see boys writing letters to complain about charaters in shojo manga.
We dont invade female spaces.
I hate the fact that in shojo every guy is the rich snob guy who gets the girl in the end and the rich bad boy who gets to bang her once.
And all their lives are treated as worthless and disposable only useful to protect the female protagonist.
But sure its shonen with their big boobs that are bad

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I said it as an example “regarding the first quote” and not what literally they want

each and everyone has the freedom to create their own fantasy, the moment you try to supress our fantasy to suit your own activist mindset is when we are limited with Zero imagination, which basically means death and assassination of dream fantasia

i’m not a guy who will apply those things in our life, but if even imagination and fantasy is supressrd, I’d rather die than be in that society

Preach:cheers:

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

lol wokes from california

its always us huh

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You got a point.
I know Oda won't change his way of writing women and that he keeps putting them in sexually suggestive scenes. But it's just so sad.

rebecca is 16 in that btw
terrible

 

[Midnight Delight]

Tbh Komurasaki and Kyoshiro are ten times more interesting than Hyori and Denjiro.

 

[zzShinichi]

Tbh Komurasaki and Kyoshiro are ten times more interesting than Hyori and Denjiro.

True

 

[Ballel]

And all their lives are treated as worthless and disposable only useful to protect the female protagonist.

That's just as awful. I know why I'm not reading that shit. Lol

rebecca is 16 in that btw
terrible

Dressrosa sucked in so many aspects. Rebecca being shown as a half naked coliseum fighter in sexually exploitative scenes is one of them.

Oda why

 

[Finalbeta]

Tbh Komurasaki and Kyoshiro are ten times more interesting than Hyori and Denjiro.

Just like Big Mom is x100 times more interesting than O-Linlin.

 

[Fuckthis3]

That's just as awful. I know why I'm not reading that shit. Lol



Dressrosa sucked in so many aspects. Rebecca being shown as a half naked coliseum fighter in sexually exploitative scenes is one of them.

Oda why

Cus oda like it

 

[Kurodiamondo]

Imo we just need to see her on panel again. Oda wont waste her character. Moreover her VA is Nana Mizuki (hinata VA) who is very famous in japan

 

[The White Crane]

I don't think Hiyori needed to be a fighter to be a compelling character. I think Oda could've done better with just what he had. But I understand the sentiments in wanting her to be a fighter. One Piece is predominantly resolved through action, and for Hiyori to be more involved, being a fighter helps.

Hiyori's problem is that she lacks agency in the plot.

As a child of Oden, she is overshadowed by Momo. Every plan or scheme she enacted are a result of instructions from Kyoshiro, who brought her up. The moment she acted out in defense of Toko, Kyoshiro had to step in to save her. Her relationship with Kawamatsu exists to develop him, and her interactions with the Straw Hats are only there to inform them of the situation on Wano.

Her most important contribution was exchanging Enma for Shusui. She had to give up her birthright in order to forward the storyline of a male character.

This is all based on her role on Wano thus far. She still has a chance to make up for it and give her something more. It's hinted as much in her hatred for Orochi. (I have issues with that, but that'll be for another day.)

I agree with everything you said, except for that.

Momo has never overshadowed anyone, is not overshadowing anyone right now, and will never overshadow anyone. Hiyori standing up to Orochi to save Toko and giving her birthright so Kaido could be killed alone TOPS everything Momo has ever done and will likely ever do.

 

[Peroroncino]

I agree with everything you said, except for that.

Momo has never overshadowed anyone, is not overshadowing anyone right now, and will never overshadow anyone. Hiyori standing up to Orochi to save Toko and giving her birthright so Kaido could be killed alone TOPS everything Momo has ever done and will likely ever do.

i agree,the only time momo overshadowed hiyori was when she was only shown as a silhouette but oda was hiding her at that point so it's obvious momo would get the focus

 

[KiriNigiri]

I agree with everything you said, except for that.

Momo has never overshadowed anyone, is not overshadowing anyone right now, and will never overshadow anyone. Hiyori standing up to Orochi to save Toko and giving her birthright so Kaido could be killed alone TOPS everything Momo has ever done and will likely ever do.

Momonosuke overshadows her from a narrative perspective. That’s simply the truth. You may like her more, but so much more of the plot and the sake of Wano hinges on Momo compared to Hiyori, who is more an afterthought.

Hiyori giving Enma to Zoro is the extent of her contribution. Everything else is to Zoro’s credit, so I don’t know why you count that for her. Otherwise, you could say Momo is responsible for the Alliance forming by getting Luffy to help them, therefore everything the Alliance does is a result of him. For future endeavours, let’s avoid absolutes. But I do feel rather confident about Momo’s contributions out doing a few of his sister’s. Well, he’s already stood up to the entirety of the Beast Pirates, which is more than standing up to Orochi.

 

[Doggo]

I agree with everything you said, except for that.

Momo has never overshadowed anyone, is not overshadowing anyone right now, and will never overshadow anyone. Hiyori standing up to Orochi to save Toko and giving her birthright so Kaido could be killed alone TOPS everything Momo has ever done and will likely ever do.

Momo is most likely an Ancient Weapon.
How the fuck does he not overshadows Hyori?
Just the fact that he alone can command Zunisha, not to mention he has Kaido's DF clone, and is the future Shogun of Wano completely negates anything Hyori has done.
Who cares if she gave a sword to Zoro? Fuck that garbage ass haki sucking piece of metal. Shuusui was cooler anyway.
Standing up to Orochi? Big fucking deal. Imagine taking with you a girl who ate a SMILE, and make her stay in the same room with a megalomaniac with low self-esteem that doesnt like to be messed with. Then Kyoshiro has to go there, fake her death to save her.
Then she runs with Toko, chased my Kamazo, and AGAIN needs saving, this time by Zoro.
WOOOOOOOW IMPRESSIVE.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Anything Momo does <<<< Hiyori breathing/Hiyori Anything else.

 

[The White Crane]

i agree,the only time momo overshadowed hiyori was when she was only shown as a silhouette but oda was hiding her at that point so it's obvious momo would get the focus

:cheers:

Momonosuke overshadows her from a narrative perspective. That’s simply the truth. You may like her more, but so much more of the plot and the sake of Wano hinges on Momo compared to Hiyori, who is more an afterthought.

Hiyori giving Enma to Zoro is the extent of her contribution. Everything else is to Zoro’s credit, so I don’t know why you count that for her. Otherwise, you could say Momo is responsible for the Alliance forming by getting Luffy to help them, therefore everything the Alliance does is a result of him. For future endeavours, let’s avoid absolutes. But I do feel rather confident about Momo’s contributions out doing a few of his sister’s. Well, he’s already stood up to the entirety of the Beast Pirates, which is more than standing up to Orochi.

Fair enough, but if you were going to point out something from a narrative perspective next time, please point that out to begin with so nobody misunderstands, because I was under the impression that you were saying that the blandest male character in the history of One Piece overshadows Hiyori, who is far from the blandest female character in the history of One Piece (Rebecca).

Momo is most likely an Ancient Weapon.
How the fuck does he not overshadows Hyori?
Just the fact that he alone can command Zunisha, not to mention he has Kaido's DF clone, and is the future Shogun of Wano completely negates anything Hyori has done.
Who cares if she gave a sword to Zoro? Fuck that garbage ass haki sucking piece of metal. Shuusui was cooler anyway.
Standing up to Orochi? Big fucking deal. Imagine taking with you a girl who ate a SMILE, and make her stay in the same room with a megalomaniac with low self-esteem that doesnt like to be messed with. Then Kyoshiro has to go there, fake her death to save her.
Then she runs with Toko, chased my Kamazo, and AGAIN needs saving, this time by Zoro.
WOOOOOOOW IMPRESSIVE.

Prove that Momo is most likely an ancient weapon or keep your fanfiction to yourself.

 

[Doggo]

:cheers:



Fair enough, but if you were going to point out something from a narrative perspective next time, please point that out to begin with so nobody misunderstands, because I was under the impression that you were saying that the blandest male character in the history of One Piece overshadows Hiyori, who is far from the blandest female character in the history of One Piece (Rebecca).



Prove that Momo is most likely an ancient weapon or keep your fanfiction to yourself.

Sea Kings said two sovereigns are going to meet.
One of them is Poseidon. Shirahoshi.
Which means Uranus is a person as well, since Pluton is some kind of battleship, considering Franky had its schematics.
Poseidon can control the Sea Kings.
Momo is the only one that we are aware that can control Zunisha.
Luffy could hear both Zunisha and the Sea kings.
Zunisha is expecting something/someone.

Poseidon represents the Sea>>>>Sea Kings.
Uranus represents the Sky>>>>A freaking huge ass elephant that reaches the freaking clouds.

See what "likely" means?