#21
The problem is that you guys don't even understand that this for already became an echo chamber... but of HATRED toward One Piece. Its literally a system on auto-feed.
Last I checked, we don't have mods arbitrarily deleting the opinions of those who do enjoy One Piece. If you like One Piece then you sure are free to discuss it here. You'll have people who will agree with you and people who don't. That's life, not an echo chamber.
 
#22
He probably come up with Nika long before even writing the first chapter of the story bro. This is not even difficult to analyzse and understand. You are missing all the plantings of the power in the story.

Those who talk about retcon with G5 ABSOLUTELY DO NOT understand this revelation to the slightest. Not even one bit.
Bullshit.
Also writing in capitals doesn't make you right lol.
And I don't hate OP, there is no issue with making critics and talking about things I don't like.
 

Rej

Holy Simp
#23
The problem is that you guys don't even understand that this for already became an echo chamber... but of HATRED toward One Piece. Its literally a system on auto-feed.



He probably come up with Nika long before even writing the first chapter of the story bro. This is not even difficult to analyzse and understand. You are missing all the plantings of the power in the story.

Those who talk about retcon with G5 ABSOLUTELY DO NOT understand this revelation to the slightest. Not even one bit.
I also don't think that Nika itself was planned that early, but I think Oda was carefully extending his story so he could plant this gamebreaking messias reveal in the story later on. He just needed enough setups to establish the metalevels and his underlying messages that he wanted to convey through the messias reveal shortly before EoS. It is indeed masterful writing still.

I agree that people are too stupid to understand.
Either they have autism that blocks them from an eye-opening moment through discussion and exchange filled with love, or they have an OCD, or they have some unresolved past-trauma revolving around family issues or bullying for example. Many of such individuals find themselves on these forums sadly and they lack the ability to understand such craftsmanship. I understand being critical, but criticism often turns into unreasonable spite for some individuals.

I am also not the best example as I sadly let myself get intoxicated by all of this, and I am always in a conflict with myself of breaking out and fighting my way out of it. For once I wanted another attempt at punching my opinion into this forum. I feel empowered as Egghead is winding up and so many amazing content creators are comming up to just assist me in reflecting upon this lovely masterpiece that Oda is creating.
Together we can still have fun and enjoy the ride to the fullest.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#24
It certainely turned into a mountain during the Yonko saga, surely the best example of great ideas (but also several horrible ones) with poor execution in the manga, the manga being too bloated in terms of characters with several characters taking too much focus when they don't deserve to while others were cruelly neglected or wasted (such as the Calamities, especially Jack, BM and Smoothie, Hawkins and Apoo) the story cruelly lacking actual stakes and tensions, and of course the story being stalled and the arc being far too long during Wano, and of course the Nika retcon with zero foreshadowing before Wano.
Oda himself said he has a bad habit of adding every idea that comes to his mind. He said WCI was supposed to be short rescue arc but he kept adding ideas on the fly making it too long, so he had to axe it quick(which explains why the WCI ending feels dragged on and incomplete).


Bullshit.
Also writing in capitals doesn't make you right lol.
And I don't hate OP, there is no issue with making critics and talking about things I don't like.
The guy trying to scold you is the same guy who tried scolding everyone for being haters(and lots of other things that got him banned), and not seeing the clear story telling of Carrot being important and joining the SHs. Apparently, anyone could analyze and understand that "fact" if they paid attention and appreciated the character and author. Carrot obviously came nowhere close to joining, and he blamed Oda for changing his mind. Dont waste too much wit em.
 
#26
We understand it. We just don't think it's well written.
Lol at the "Nika was written before even the first chapter" stuff
This proves that you don't understand it. Sorry. I already explained why Gear 5's story should not be underestimate but it seems like my thread wasn't big enough since so many people are still missing the gist of it.


Nika had no build up or foreshadowing leading up to the reveal
This is where you are completely wrong. The ENTIRE STORY is a build up and a planting for Gear 5. Its crazy that so many people misses it.

But I get it. I think my thread on Gear 5 was simply not enough. I will need to put something better, I can't let that rethori
Last I checked, we don't have mods arbitrarily deleting the opinions of those who do enjoy One Piece
Don't worry. i'm not advocating to delete your opinion. I'm proposing a restructuration of the forum to stop the power of the echo chamber.

I'm waiting for the answer of TAC.


That's life, not an echo chamber.
Yes it is. Trust me, i've seen a lot of discussion spaces, this forum is an echo chamber of toxicity. And this toxicity spreads to hatred toward One Piece.

Bullshit.
Also writing in capitals doesn't make you right lol.
And I don't hate OP, there is no issue with making critics and talking about things I don't like.
You can call BS whatever you want, you are wron plain and simple.

Critics are ok, I'm the first to make some on One Piece on diverse subjects. This is not a legitimate one.


I also don't think that Nika itself was planned that early
Nika, probably not. That's why I'm talking about the power. The power was most definitely planned long before the entry into the grand line.

Starting such a thoughout story without one of the Key elements is simply not logical, expecially when a LOT of elements in the story points to the creation of gear 5 since the beginning.

Either they have autism that blocks them from an eye-opening moment through discussion and exchange filled with love, or they have an OCD
Let's not be psychophobic. No. its simply closemindness. They don't want to believe that G5 is good because it would make them reconsider a lot of thing. They have invested too much energy debating this position already, it would be too much for them to give it up.
He said WCI was supposed to be short rescue arc but he kept adding ideas on the fly making it too long, so he had to axe it quick(which explains why the WCI ending feels dragged on and incomplete).
First, source ? Because I've not been able (after a half an hour of search) to find any evidence of Oda saying that. But since I have not all the interviews in mind, and might not be able to recall them. Damn... so many wrong things here...

Second. Adding idea on the fly doesn't make something bad and the end of whole cake wasn't neither bad or dragged out. There was a path Luffy and Sanji had to go through. NONE of the chapters were wasted. And nothing, absolutely NOTHING was incomplete.


The guy trying to scold you is the same guy who tried scolding everyone for being haters(and lots of other things that got him banned)
@Luffy is the mc Careful, Van has a tendancy to lie when it comes to my case. I think that he thinks that the only way for me to be triggered.

For example here, he was talking about me being insulted ;)


and he blamed Oda for changing his mind
And here he tries to make me say something I never said as I don't think Oda changed his mind at all

:kayneshrug: This moderation is funny.
 
#27
I will add that this forum probably has the highest amount of cognitive dissonance I have ever seen in a fandom.

The number of people that think oda is a shit writer (even prior to wano) but at the same making up some of the most insane shit theories that oda "hinted" or "implied" is way too high.

This leads me to believe many people (not all obviously) just are likely butthurt to be honest, rather than the legit critique odas work has and always had to a degree.

You can perfectly track this from the start to mid point of wano, which also had a lot of problems, but a lot of people were screaming "GODA", the same people they make unironical fun of right now. Quite funny


Shoutouts to @ZenZu for arguably the funniest post I ever read in this forum highlighting:
ZKK

-turned FN Lucci from Oda's biggest dickrider to a Lee33 clone.
-turned Cinera from an essay connoisseur into a timid observer.
-turned HA001 from most active into a ghost.
-Gave Finalbeta a purpose in life other than WorstGen.

And much much more.

If that's not the greatest theory ever, I don't know what is.

I listen to a lot of the stuff of recon, alex, or morj while I am at the university or at work and their praise and critique do not just align with most people here.

Its like talking about the movie Synecdoche New York with film crituqes vs reading IMDB comments that say the movie is a self wank fest
 
#28
Don't worry. i'm not advocating to delete your opinion. I'm proposing a restructuration of the forum to stop the power of the echo chamber.

I'm waiting for the answer of TAC.

Yes it is. Trust me, i've seen a lot of discussion spaces, this forum is an echo chamber of toxicity. And this toxicity spreads to hatred toward One Piece.
"An echo chamber is when freedom of opinion is allowed. This is bad." :ohreally:

Also, TAC is a bonafide shit stirring troll. If you're relying on him to limit what you perceive to be "toxicity" then your plan is screwed.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#29
This proves that you don't understand it. Sorry. I already explained why Gear 5's story should not be underestimate but it seems like my thread wasn't big enough since so many people are still missing the gist of it.



This is where you are completely wrong. The ENTIRE STORY is a build up and a planting for Gear 5. Its crazy that so many people misses it.

But I get it. I think my thread on Gear 5 was simply not enough. I will need to put something better, I can't let that rethori

Don't worry. i'm not advocating to delete your opinion. I'm proposing a restructuration of the forum to stop the power of the echo chamber.

I'm waiting for the answer of TAC.



Yes it is. Trust me, i've seen a lot of discussion spaces, this forum is an echo chamber of toxicity. And this toxicity spreads to hatred toward One Piece.


You can call BS whatever you want, you are wron plain and simple.

Critics are ok, I'm the first to make some on One Piece on diverse subjects. This is not a legitimate one.



Nika, probably not. That's why I'm talking about the power. The power was most definitely planned long before the entry into the grand line.

Starting such a thoughout story without one of the Key elements is simply not logical, expecially when a LOT of elements in the story points to the creation of gear 5 since the beginning.


Let's not be psychophobic. No. its simply closemindness. They don't want to believe that G5 is good because it would make them reconsider a lot of thing. They have invested too much energy debating this position already, it would be too much for them to give it up.

First, source ? Because I've not been able (after a half an hour of search) to find any evidence of Oda saying that. But since I have not all the interviews in mind, and might not be able to recall them. Damn... so many wrong things here...

Second. Adding idea on the fly doesn't make something bad and the end of whole cake wasn't neither bad or dragged out. There was a path Luffy and Sanji had to go through. NONE of the chapters were wasted. And nothing, absolutely NOTHING was incomplete.




@Luffy is the mc Careful, Van has a tendancy to lie when it comes to my case. I think that he thinks that the only way for me to be triggered.

For example here, he was talking about me being insulted ;)



And here he tries to make me say something I never said as I don't think Oda changed his mind at all

:kayneshrug: This moderation is funny.
It's genuinely hilarious how often you claim I'm lying when others can easily confirm for themselves with a 30 second search.
 
#30
I listen to a lot of the stuff of recon, alex, or morj while I am at the university or at work and their praise and critique do not just align with most people here.

Its like talking about the movie Synecdoche New York with film crituqes vs reading IMDB comments that say the movie is a self wank fest
Those YouTubers would be shooting themselves in the foot in a multitude of ways if they start to harshly critique One Piece in any way. It's the reason why Morj backpeddaled on his criticism of One Piece, specifically Wano, as doing so would have many of those that absolutely adore One Piece to stop supporting the YouTuber's platform. Such agents can't be trusted 100% as being negatively critical of One Piece would hurt their bottom line and potential opportunities in the future.
 
#31
Those YouTubers would be shooting themselves in the foot in a multitude of ways if they start to harshly critique One Piece in any way. It's the reason why Morj backpeddaled on his criticism of One Piece, specifically Wano, as doing so would have many of those that absolutely adore One Piece to stop supporting the YouTuber's platform. Such agents can't be trusted 100% as being negatively critical of One Piece would hurt their bottom line and potential opportunities in the future.
Really? He frequently shits on wano on his stream to this day especially on kidd and law lmao

Also my point was not they only allowed to criticize or only their criticism is legit, if I was not clear.

The point is this forums main critique of the most lauded voices of "I hate nika" or "no woro time" are not really worth and have no overlap of the actual criticism you can levy
 
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#32
Really? He frequently shits on wano on his stream to this day especially on kidd and law lmao

Also my point was not they only allowed to criticize or only their criticism is legit, if I was not clear.

The point is this forums main critique of the most lauded voices of "I hate nika" or "no woro time" are not really worth and have no overlap of the actual criticism you can levy
Does he? Because the last clip of a stream of him critiquing Wano was like over a year ago. Regardless, those are his streams, which most of his audience doesn't watch. I remember him saying that he would produce a video about his criticism on Wano, yet as far as I know that project seems to be on permanent hiatus.

Fair enough.
 
#33
Does he? Because the last clip of a stream of him critiquing Wano was like over a year ago. Regardless, those are his streams, which most of his audience doesn't watch. I remember him saying that he would produce a video about his criticism on Wano, yet as far as I know that project seems to be on permanent hiatus.

Fair enough.
He said last stream wano vid still coming out, but its lorj, so :josad:
 
#35
Oda is all about openmindness or how you spell it.

I would like to take you on a journey for roughly 10-11 minutes if you don't mind.

Watch this part of the discussion where Recon explains to Alex why he loves Wano so much. (01:50:00-02:01:00 roughly)

I have never seen someone going so deep into this and deconstructing Wano on such a metalevel within 10~ minutes of spitting fire.
Oda wouldn't be such a generational master-craftsman, if people wouldn't be able to bounce off Oda's storytelling in such a deep way.

Recon is simply one of the most respected, if not the most respected content creator in the current One Piece sphere; so I personally bounce off that respect and I think what he says here has alot of weight.

I know not everyone will grasp it that way, and on another sad note, I think many people simply refuse to have their eyes opened and/or understand the story better on a metalevel.
Afterall, One Piece most of the time is told on such metalevels.


So my final thoughts to this: One Piece is not just easy fast food that you can chew up every week. Especially after running for 1k+ chapters. The longer such a story gets told, the more the metalevels have to be factored in, in order to get payoffs, like cultural or emotional impacts/weights...inspirations etc.
There will only be One Piece in my life time and I am glad when I can witness such discussions and deconstructions as for example King_Recon serves them in this example.

Also credits to Aleczanxr, check this guy out, he just recently caught up with One Piece and he already deconstructs it better than most One Piece theorists.

Thanks for checking out my tedtalk and I hope I could show the one or other some specialities of the One Piece fandoms.
See ya around.
I haven't read one piece with an intuitive and comprehensive lense ever since i came here 💀

But I'm sure alot of my "qualms" with it would be clarified and alot of the unintentional exaggeration would be toned down if I read the way i want to. Additionally, I also have a habit of cutting the authors slack with mistakes just for my own fun and understanding.
 
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