Questions & Mysteries Why is Zoro much more relevant than Luffy to the fandom?

Kid was never paralleled with Zoro. He was always shown as Luffy's rival and a foil to Luffy. Oda just had to split them up because Yamato.

imo Kid is on par with Luffy. I think Zoro's supernova rival will actually become Law. Similar to how Mihawk had a rivalry with shanks, I think Zoro is going to have a rivalry with Law. As after all, Law and Zoro are the strongest swordsmen of the supernova and Oda hasn't definitively established Zoro over Law. You can say Zoro> Law, but at the moment, its just speculation.
Rival in what sense?
Technically all supernovas (including Zoro) are Luffys rivals, what makes Kidd any different?
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
Yeah prolly true though for me its like I like to just respond when I see bullshit.

***** be so detached from reality and acting like Zoro obsession only comes from Zoro fans when in reality both sides are equal culprits.
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Isn't it opposite?
If Luffys number one is stronger than all novas, and number 2 is stronger than half of them, it makes Luffy that much better captain than all?
I mean Luffys special ability is to attract strong people after all.
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Yeah but that really begs the question.
How much relevance does Oda intend to give supernovas in a long run?
That’s why I said both sides :p
 
Why Cristiano Ronaldo entices more reaction than Lionel Messi?

Why Lebron James entices more reaction than Michael J?

Why Sony entices more reaction than Nintendo?

Why Itachi entices more reaction than Minato?

4 words investment, insecurities and human nature.

What I find particularly interesting is the fact that both side (pro and hater) are having the same behavior toward each other but the blames the others of being the bad guys.

My favorite argument is : « It’s their fault! We are just reacting to them!! »
It seems to me that Nintendo have less haters than Sony but I might be wrong :kayneshrug:
well Sony definitely rises more reaction
One word: Xbox. ps and xbox community has pitted against each other for eternity and these 2 grps never get along.
Nintendo is like CDprojekt, they have lots of loyal fans and far far less haters. u can say they are universally loved.
whereas Sony's have some of the biggest and most hyped title specially AAA under their belt. so they are always on the radar. and their PS exclusives specially PS4 makes both Xbox and PC look like shit
PC user here:pepecry::pepemotion:. we also want GOW, uncharted, Horizon, bloodborne, persona, last of us 1, nioh among many others:pepemotion:. AND.... shitbox has Halo:jordanmf::ihaha:
 
well Sony definitely rises more reaction
One word: Xbox. ps and xbox community has pitted against each other for eternity and these 2 grps never get along.
Nintendo is like CDprojekt, they have lots of loyal fans and far far less haters. u can say they are universally loved.
whereas Sony's have some of the biggest and most hyped title specially AAA under their belt. so they are always on the radar. and their PS exclusives specially PS4 makes both Xbox and PC look like shit
PC user here:pepecry::pepemotion:. we also want GOW, uncharted, Horizon, bloodborne, persona, last of us 1, nioh among many others:pepemotion:. AND.... shitbox has Halo:jordanmf::ihaha:
Lmaoo you gotta buy switch my ****.

Zelda Breath of the wild might be best game ever.
 
I haven't read the replies in here. But if I should hazard a guess, I'd say its because even with all the other strawhats becoming reduced to basically their quircks. Zoro is far less tedious to follow than lets say Luffy (who lets face it, makes me nuts with his antics) That and swords are just downright cool
I like swords too, and Luffy does get on my nerves with his naivety and stupidity, He's my favorite character in OP but I certainly wished some Character Development happened or something, like willingness to change how a character behaves or switches things up. Instead it's a stale stagnant walk to the finish line, Instead of a wondrous Adventure with many trials for our characters.. etc.

As for topic, I disagree, They all have their moments but the Relevancy to move the plot is on Luffy so if he's not around it feels like Filler.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Lmaoo you gotta buy switch my ****.

Zelda Breath of the wild might be best game ever.
one more bae we pc noobs arent fated to be with:pepecry:
Heaven is so hard on us:pepemy:
we get MaStErPiEcE like Anthem:ronalugh:
Another fucking fantastic game for the Switch is Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition. @Sentinel knows what's up.

As for the topic of the thread, Zoro is a threat to a bunch of headcanons, so it's beneficial for multiple fandoms to dog pile on him.
 
I like swords too, and Luffy does get on my nerves with his naivety and stupidity, He's my favorite character in OP but I certainly wished some Character Development happened or something, like willingness to change how a character behaves or switches things up. Instead it's a stale stagnant walk to the finish line, Instead of a wondrous Adventure with many trials for our characters.. etc.
Indeed, but another problem is that.. He's not just stagnated a bit as a character, but as @Den_Den_Mushi could explain even better than I. He's almost regressed somewhat. Lessons he learned about not being too headstrong and reckless, which could endanger himself and his crew seems to have disappeared.
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That's funny because in any other verse, scaling is a widely used way of determining the strength of characters with little to no feats, but for some reason in doesn't apply in One Piece when it comes to vs battles involving characters scaled higher than Zoro. According to you guys nobody should be able to beat Zoro unless they have the feats to match his or greater. Scaling be damned.
Its not the first time we've become aware of Oda seeming to not pay all that much attention to who should be able to beat who.
 
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Indeed, but another problem is that.. He's not just stagnated a bit as a character, but as @Den_Den_Mushi could explain even better than I. He's almost regressed somewhat. Lessons he learned about not being too headstrong and reckless, which could endanger himself and his crew seems to have disappeared.
Luffy's most definitely been regressed. For real. I agree. This is 23 years you'd think Luffy would be a somewhat different character, but nah. It's fine to be reckless to a point, but endangering the crew is another, but it's also on Oda for not developing them either.
 
Luffy's most definitely been regressed. For real. I agree. This is 23 years you'd think Luffy would be a somewhat different character, but nah. It's fine to be reckless to a point, but endangering the crew is another, but it's also on Oda for not developing them either.
Its a sad state of a story when you can look at the earliest chapters and your main character behaves more levelheaded and mature than he seems to do years later in the story. Of course, sometimes character changes for the worse, as part of the story. But the story doesn't but going by the narrative of One Piece thats not really what Oda is doing with Luffy's character.
 
Luffy wants to be freest man on seas which is a complex character archetype because of what freedom represents.

For all the simplicity he exudes, Luffy might be the most complex character out there but he isn't even aware of how complex he is.

For example what does his freedom represents, how many people get suppressed for his freedom, which then makes you consider role of morality when it comes to his goal.

Is it morally right to take down WG, because while it has its flaws, at least it is an entity there to protect common people from Pirates and maintain the order and status quo.

But then what about all the atrocious deeds WG has committed like Ohara?

#woke
Luffy is the most complex character in One Piece

The character who truly represents simplicity is Zoro because his motivation is becoming stronger driven by a promise he made to his dead friend.
 
Luffy wants to be freest man on seas which is a complex character archetype because of what freedom represents.

For all the simplicity he exudes, Luffy might be the most complex character out there but he isn't even aware of how complex he is.

For example what does his freedom represents, how many people get suppressed for his freedom, which then makes you consider role of morality when it comes to his goal.

Is it morally right to take down WG, because while it has its flaws, at least it is an entity there to protect common people from Pirates and maintain the order and status quo.

But then what about all the atrocious deeds WG has committed like Ohara?

#woke
Luffy is the most complex character in One Piece

The character who truly represents simplicity is Zoro because his motivation is becoming stronger driven by a promise he made to his dead friend.
I'd agree with you if these types of questions had ever been asked of Luffy or at least pondered by him. But Nope nothing. Just "I'm gonna become the Pirate King"
 
I'd agree with you if these types of questions had ever been asked of Luffy or at least pondered by him. But Nope nothing. Just "I'm gonna become the Pirate King"
That's the beauty of it.
That's makes his character even more complex, his naivety because generally complex characters would be aware of their complexity.

Just with few (minor) tweaks, Oda has a genuine all time master piece at his hands with Luffy.
 
Another fucking fantastic game for the Switch is Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition. @Sentinel knows what's up.

As for the topic of the thread, Zoro is a threat to a bunch of headcanons, so it's beneficial for multiple fandoms to dog pile on him.
at least we can enjoy the OST from youtube:blush: at least i hope it counts as something:pepecry:
xenoblade definitely has some of the best OST i have seen in any types of games/movies or other form of entertainment that has music in it:finally::finally:
 
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