Character Discussion Why Kid's loss is genuinely infuriating and Shanks is a trash, unrealistic utopia character created by the delusional daydreams of a weakling nerd

Luffy is about freedom, Shanks is not. Shanks has an obsession of wanting everything to be controlled. Shanks didn't want ace going after blackbeard because he didn't want the world to "spiral in to chaos". That's why he's also talking with the gorosei. Shanks never tried to take down a yonko. Thats because he wants a system to be in place. Hes not about freedom, Shanks wants peace. His character suits a superhero, not a pirate. Luffy on the other hand doesnt care about creating conflict or breaking the system, his priority is his freedom not peace
Shanks literally taught Luffy that the point of being a pirate is freedom.
 
Luffy is about freedom, Shanks is not. Shanks has an obsession of wanting everything to be controlled. Shanks didn't want ace going after blackbeard because he didn't want the world to "spiral in to chaos". That's why he's also talking with the gorosei. Shanks never tried to take down a yonko. Thats because he wants a system to be in place. Hes not about freedom, Shanks wants peace. His character suits a superhero, not a pirate. Luffy on the other hand doesnt care about creating conflict or breaking the system, his priority is his freedom not peace
No? Shanks isn't about chaos, but he respects the freedom of others
 
Shanks isn't out to correct the world's injustices or anything. He's a chill guy, but if you hurt his friends he will hit back.

Don't see what the huge issue is
yes he is..., he keeps butting in and cockblocking people from fighting. Like i said, he travelled all the way to whitebeard just to tell him to not let ace go after blackbeard. He did that because he didnt want a war to happen. Ace became a pirate to live freely and make whatever choices he wanted with no regrets. Ace chose to go after blackbeard, shanks had no business trying to butt in, so no, he didnt "respect his freedom" at all. And then he goes to marineford to stop the war. So no, he isnt just a "chill guy" that only does something if someone hurts his friends. Clearly shanks goes out of his way to stop conflict wherever he can. He even went to wano just to stop greenbull from attacking. The guy is acting like a superhero. If you enjoy that then fine thats you're opinion. i dont enjoy it at all
 
yes he is..., he keeps butting in and cockblocking people from fighting. Like i said, he travelled all the way to whitebeard just to tell him to not let ace go after blackbeard. He did that because he didnt want a war to happen. Ace became a pirate to live freely and make whatever choices he wanted with no regrets. Ace chose to go after blackbeard, shanks had no business trying to butt in, so no, he didnt "respect his freedom" at all. And then he goes to marineford to stop the war. So no, he isnt just a "chill guy" that only does something if someone hurts his friends. Clearly shanks goes out of his way to stop conflict wherever he can. He even went to wano just to stop greenbull from attacking. The guy is acting like a superhero. If you enjoy that then fine thats you're opinion. i dont enjoy it at all
Shanks did that because he saw how dangerous Blackbeard truly was before anyone else truly took him seriously






Shanks is pretty consistent about this too








Shanks understands that, deep down, Blackbeard is potentially more dangerous in the long run than any of the four emperors or even the World Government.



And in the end, Shanks was proven 100% right when Ace died as a direct result of trying to go after Blackbeard
 
Sales means nothing much
People like you are the reason why Oda can continue writing nonsense or making retcons that are silly but he knows you and other fans will love it and give our excuses

Who doesn't know he's the biggest mangaka in term of sales?
Does that change his writings being subpar since WCi second half? NOPE
Does hate for one piece make you read words differently than normal people, this has nothing to with quality of writing I was calling him pathetic because he was attacking oda as person ,some no body on the internet saying his head cannon version of oda doesn't succeed except for that oda is at the top of the mountain for manga because of the sales so his extremely successful, ill say it again don't bring up quality of writing because that post had nothing about writing.
 
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Oda frequently has a bar full of random people laughing at people's goals. They're not antagonists or some shitty villains, just regular people. Did luffy turn into Ramsey Bolton on everyone who laughed at him for saying he wanted to go to skypia? No he didn't, he even ordered zoro not to do shit either.

Now you want to talk about kid being a pirate and killing random civilians who laugh at him and hurt his little feelings but he's a kind soul because he doesn't crucify people unless they're the kind of scum that enjoy laughter...

You are a delusional fanboy, kid was always portrayed as a piece of shit.

Ace is a completely different story than kid. Ace grew up with everyone constantly talking about how much they hated his father and him through his connection to Roger although they didn't know he was connected to Roger they hated the fact that he even existed. Even with all that ace was never portrayed to be the kind of piece of shit kid was before shanks, dorry, and broggy killed him.

Dadan would hear that ace almost killed people in town and then when she asked ace about it he replied with "almost? i thought they were dead", because he was actually literally trying to kill them. And this is ace as a child, not even a pirate yet. And those people werent even directly insulting ace, they were insulting roger without knowing that was his dad. In kids case, those civilians were insulting kid directly, not his dad. So pirate Eustass kid is no more "evil" than child ace. Neither Kid or Ace would stand for disrespect and both characters a much more worthy of being called a pirate than superhero shanks
 
Dadan would hear that ace almost killed people in town and then when she asked ace about it he replied with "almost? i thought they were dead", because he was actually literally trying to kill them. And this is ace as a child, not even a pirate yet. And those people werent even directly insulting ace, they were insulting roger without knowing that was his dad. In kids case, those civilians were insulting kid directly, not his dad. So pirate Eustass kid is no more "evil" than child ace. Neither Kid or Ace would stand for disrespect and both characters a much more worthy of being called a pirate than superhero shanks
Ace was a shitty child with a lot of issues, yet he grew up into a decent person after wb took him in.
Kid stayed a piece of shit for his entire life. Either way kid was never important to the story himself, he was a tool to help ensure that the raid was a success and make sure shanks who is important to the story was able to easily obtain some poneglyphs.
 
I hate Shanks, and it's not because of his fans. It's because the entire premise of his character makes me cringe. Shank's entire character is about being a really really nice person that wants everything to be peaceful and for nobody to fight each other. Shanks is a completely unrealistic, deluded depiction of what strong people are actually like in the real world. Even though Oda is writing a battle shounen, he himself has never been a strong person. In school, Oda was a typical passive nerd weakling that hung out with other nerds that all got bullied by people with similar personalities to Eustass Kid (people that were actually tough, fearless and hard working). Oda would daydream, imagining himself as one of those kind badass people you see in generic movies that beat up the bullies and protect their weak friends. Of course Oda never became that type of person , so he created a fictional character to be that person instead, and that's how Shank's was created. Shanks is a character created by the wishful delusional daydreams of a weakling. Oda makes shanks strong because he wants to send a delusional message to the children and nerds reading this manga. That is, being nice makes you strong, whilst being a bully like greenbull or kid, makes you weak. It just shows how disconnected from reality Oda really is, because the truth is, there is not a single strong person in this world that is like Shanks. There is not a single strong person that lets people pour drinks on their head and does nothing like a coward. Everyone in real life with shanks personality is a passive weakling that gets bullied.

Strong people are the ones with the same personality as Eustass Kid. People that are hard working, courageous, ambitious and fearless. People that aim for the very top and will do anything to get there, even if that means tossing their morals aside to dominate and climb above others. People that are ready to take on any challenge required no matter how difficult it may be. People that never give up and keep bouncing back after failing. That is what actual strong people are like. That is Eustass Kid. But despite all that, Oda made shanks win because shanks is a nice guy and kid is not, and that makes me want to f*****g vomit
Shorty mad, pulling her hair out - Ghostface Killah
 
That's exactly what every generic superhero is like. Superman also uses violence to stop criminals when it comes down to it. Oda will only ever show shanks using "violence" once he has established that the other person is the bad guy first in order to justify shanks as the hero and good guy. The difference is, the writer of superman doesn't pretend that superman is someone he's not, he is what he is meant to be, a hero. Oda however pretends that shanks is a pirate when he's really just a superhero in disguise. Shanks being a pirate makes 0 sense in the first place. He should be a revolutionary
It's obvious Oda's setting up Shanks to have conflict with Luffy.
 
The guy is acting like a superhero.
No he’s not

He attempted to murder the Kid pirates and he probably succeeded in killing most of them.
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Shanks isn’t really a “good person”. He’s just good from a pirate perspective. He’s as righteous as you can be as a pirate, a romanticized version of a pirate.

But he still kills people even though he has zero reason to do so. He didn’t need to sink the Kid Pirates’ ship. They already admitted defeat and gave up their poneglyphs.

Shanks is dirty like any other pirate. It’s just he only targets people if they’re “in the game” to quote Mike Erhmantraut.
 
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LIST OF ALL SUGOI TAKES THAT HAVE BEEN CRUSHED
1. Rayleigh is the strongest as he is the mentor of the MC
-Rayleigh admits inferiority to Blackbeard in his old age

2. The admirals are stronger than the yonkos as they are "endgame villains"
-Ryokugyu admits he would not attack Wano if Kaido was there and runs from Shanks

3. Carrot is the next nakama
-Carrot returns to Zou

4. Kid will defeat Shanks, Killer will defeat Beckman
-Kid and Killer both one shotted by a flying slash from Shanks

TAKES PENDING
1. Law will defeat Blackbeard

......... let's see how that one goes.



This dude has had a rough 2022/2023, I can't even hate on the guy after Oda's fucked him this hard.
 
LIST OF ALL SUGOI TAKES THAT HAVE BEEN CRUSHED
1. Rayleigh is the strongest as he is the mentor of the MC
-Rayleigh admits inferiority to Blackbeard in his old age

2. The admirals are stronger than the yonkos as they are "endgame villains"
-Ryokugyu admits he would not attack Wano if Kaido was there and runs from Shanks

3. Carrot is the next nakama
-Carrot returns to Zou

4. Kid will defeat Shanks, Killer will defeat Beckman
-Kid and Killer both one shotted by a flying slash from Shanks

TAKES PENDING
1. Law will defeat Blackbeard

......... let's see how that one goes.



This dude has had a rough 2022/2023, I can't even hate on the guy after Oda's fucked him this hard.
:josad:That's gotta hurt.
 
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