Current Events Why King vs Sanji made more sense then Sanji vs Queen...

#82
That's implying Oda creates fights strictly based off of power, which isn't true. Oda is creating parallels here back to Enies Lobby where Sanji gets beaten up by a woman (then Khalifa, now Black Maria), saved by a woman (then Nami, now Robin), then goes to save weaker SH from stronger opponent (then Ussop via Jyabura, now Chopper via Queen), said stronger opponent gets kicked back as Sanji gives a quote and encouragement (then Ussop, now Chopper of course).

Then, there are also the connections Oda has woven into Queen such as his connection with Judge, and prior statement stating that he should take out the "2 strongest (Sanji; Zolo)".

With these in mind it is unreasonable to say that Oda didn't make Sanji fight King chiefly due to powerlevels, Sanji's physical power, CoO and speed are clearly comparable to King especially with RS.
Power level is a HUGE factor in determining match-ups. That's why Sanji got Jabra and Queen over Usopp and Chopper. That's why Zoro and Sanji are pitted against the number twos and threes.
 
#83
That's implying Oda creates fights strictly based off of power, which isn't true. Oda is creating parallels here back to Enies Lobby where Sanji gets beaten up by a woman (then Khalifa, now Black Maria), saved by a woman (then Nami, now Robin), then goes to save weaker SH from stronger opponent (then Ussop via Jyabura, now Chopper via Queen), said stronger opponent gets kicked back as Sanji gives a quote and encouragement (then Ussop, now Chopper of course).

Then, there are also the connections Oda has woven into Queen such as his connection with Judge, and prior statement stating that he should take out the "2 strongest (Sanji; Zolo)".

With these in mind it is unreasonable to say that Oda didn't make Sanji fight King chiefly due to powerlevels, Sanji's physical power, CoO and speed are clearly comparable to King especially with RS.
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There were multiple connections being made here, Sanji could have fought King due to their prior interaction and obvious similarities or he could have made Sanji fight Queen due to his Judge connection and similarities with the technological similarities with the Raid Suit.

In any case, besides the namesake of King over the Queen, there is no feats or anything that put King substantially higher than Queen. Going off of feats, and constant portrayal of King and Queen being a duo, they are roughly equal even if King is exactly stronger.
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If you want to put your headcanons above manga panels, statements and overall manga facts then it's ok
Bold of you skipping the first part of the argument, enough for me to realise you're a troll, enough wasting time for me, cya clown
 
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Shepherd

#84
Power level is a HUGE factor in determining match-ups. That's why Sanji got Jabra and Queen over Usopp and Chopper. That's why Zoro and Sanji are pitted against the number twos and threes.
It is a huge factor, but not between characters like Zoro and Sanji who are evidently very close to each other in power. The fact that Jyabura and Kaku were 2 fodder marine's worth of Doriki apart from each other drives this point home, in fact Sanji was originally going to fight Kaku meaning that the number twos and threes are interchangeable as relative equals.
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"Headcanon" Cringe show me feats putting King on a higher tier than Queen the guy who K.O.'d and hogtied Big Mom
 
#85
It is a huge factor, but not between characters like Zoro and Sanji who are evidently very close to each other in power. The fact that Jyabura and Kaku were 2 fodder marine's worth of Doriki apart from each other drives this point home, in fact Sanji was originally going to fight Kaku meaning that the number twos and threes are interchangeable as relative equals.
It still matters because Oda always gives Zoro the "number two." Retcons are irrelevant because Oda had the power levels different in that planning stage.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#86
It is a huge factor, but not between characters like Zoro and Sanji who are evidently very close to each other in power. The fact that Jyabura and Kaku were 2 fodder marine's worth of Doriki apart from each other drives this point home, in fact Sanji was originally going to fight Kaku meaning that the number twos and threes are interchangeable as relative equals.
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"Headcanon" Cringe show me feats putting King on a higher tier than Queen the guy who K.O.'d and hogtied Big Mom
They are no where near each other in power. Eos sanji can't dream of doing what zoro did on the roof.
 
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Shepherd

#87
It still matters because Oda always gives Zoro the "number two." Retcons are irrelevant because Oda had the power levels different in that planning stage.
My point is that said number twos and number threes are equal enough in strength to where they are interchangeable Kaku and Jyabura are literally proof of this.

And by the way, Kuroobi was stronger than Hachi so yes Sanji has been given the number two before
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They are no where near each other in power. Eos sanji can't dream of doing what zoro did on the roof.
They are roughly equals always have been always will be :kayneshrug: Sanji is faster, has better CoO and Zolo is more lethal and has better CoA simple as that
 
#89
My point is that said number twos and number threes are equal enough in strength to where they are interchangeable Kaku and Jyabura are literally proof of this.

And by the way, Kuroobi was stronger than Hachi so yes Sanji has been given the number two before
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They are roughly equals always have been always will be :kayneshrug:
Kaku and Jabra literally disprove your whole argument, Doriki system means that Kaku without swords + without DF can high diff Jabra, let alone him using swords lmao, do some research before putting down your headcanon, or straight up log out that's way better
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#90
My point is that said number twos and number threes are equal enough in strength to where they are interchangeable Kaku and Jyabura are literally proof of this.

And by the way, Kuroobi was stronger than Hachi so yes Sanji has been given the number two before
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They are roughly equals always have been always will be :kayneshrug:
Roughly like the earth is roughly next to the sun maybe.
 
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Shepherd

#93
Kaku and Jabra literally disprove your whole argument, Doriki system means that Kaku without swords + without DF can high diff Jabra, let alone him using swords lmao, do some research before putting down your headcanon, or straight up log out that's way better
If this was the case Oda would scale Kaku's doriki higher to Lucci's, but no, they were both together, basically equals, both nearly 2000 doriki below Lucci.

And by the way, you zolobois whine that Doriki didn't factor in Kaku's swordsmanship and DF, it didn't factor in Jyabura's shigan & tekkai prowess nor his DF. It was only a test of physical strength and Kaku and Jyabura basically equalled this is undeniable.
 
#94
If this was the case Oda would scale Kaku's doriki higher to Lucci's, but no, they were both together, basically equals, both nearly 2000 doriki below Lucci.

And by the way, you zolobois whine that Doriki didn't factor in Kaku's swordsmanship and DF, it didn't factor in Jyabura's shigan & tekkai prowess nor his DF. It was only a test of physical strength and Kaku and Jyabura basically equalled this is undeniable.
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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#96
If this was the case Oda would scale Kaku's doriki higher to Lucci's, but no, they were both together, basically equals, both nearly 2000 doriki below Lucci.

And by the way, you zolobois whine that Doriki didn't factor in Kaku's swordsmanship and DF, it didn't factor in Jyabura's shigan & tekkai prowess nor his DF. It was only a test of physical strength and Kaku and Jyabura basically equalled this is undeniable.
Yes and kaku also had a fruit and 6 powers and his swordsmanship AND was physically stronger
Jabra gets bodied.
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Yeah it is nonsense when Oda deliberately adds a numerical power-system showing Sanji and Zolo on equal tier and people still deny it
Say they were equals then
Zoro then got a power up the next arc and trained for 2 years with a top tier then just got a new sword and has performed top tier feats on the roof.
How are they equals again? Explain it to me.
 
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Shepherd

#97
Yes and kaku also had a fruit and 6 powers and his swordsmanship AND was physically stronger
Jabra gets bodied.
Jyabura had all 6 as well, and superiority to Kaku in Shigan & Tekkai, and had better mastery over his DF which was a carnivorous Zoan might I add which are said to be more dangerous than herbivore
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Roughly like the earth is roughly next to the sun maybe.
Roughly like the gap of 2 marine soldier fodder between Jyabura & Kaku
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#98
Jyabura had all 6 as well, and superiority to Kaku in Shigan & Tekkai, and had better mastery over his DF which was a carnivorous Zoan might I add which are said to be more dangerous than herbivore
No they aren't. Jabra even commented on how well kaku did with his fruit.
Sanji even commented on how dangerous the fight between zoro and kaku was. Jabra gets bodied.
 
My point is that said number twos and number threes are equal enough in strength to where they are interchangeable Kaku and Jyabura are literally proof of this.
Not really because Oda is constantly giving Zoro the (slightly) stronger guy over Sanji.

And by the way, Kuroobi was stronger than Hachi so yes Sanji has been given the number two before
Because East Blue groups are different from Grand Line groups where a weaker character can be vice-captain over a stronger one (see Jango and the Meowban Brothers). There's no proof that Kuroobi is stronger than Hatchan. Kuroobi is the vice-captain because Hatchan's simple-minded. Kuroobi doubles as swordsman yet Hatchan's the number two swordsman of Fishman Island. That's important because weapons are frequently the peak of a character's fighting style.
 
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