General & Others Why Oda has no abilty to write about oppression.

[Dickie D. Dick]

Shut up pleb.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Shut up pleb.

Been a long time since I heard this insult.

 

[Strawhats Bible]

Nobody is readying this trash essay.

Oda has the right to write about anything in a world he himself created. He is not talking about real world slavery and imperialism just doing parallels to it and it's not up to some weirdo to decide what he can or cannot write.
If you don't like Oda or his manga leave.

 

[Nikuzi]

No

 

[Peroroncino]

didn't read because the title is dumb enough

 

[NAMELESS]

Quick synopsis of Oda's poor ability to discuss oppression and why people in general hate his side characters and oligarchs.

Let's start off with the times he's done it right.

Syrup village isn't really a story of oppression simply a criminal attempting his poorly thought out plan. Oda did a good job here with Usopp, showcasing a man who while afraid is not afraid to face his fears. In the process motivating others to join his cause. Great story telling. It set the basis of why the strawhats would be motivated to help other even though they are pirates. Anything before thst could just be seen as somebody getting in Luffy's way or passing him off.

Drum Island was a story of oppression in the form of incompetence and corruption. Wapol was ruining his kingdom. Not only that but he was the representation of bad against something that was good. Drum kingdom simply did not have the power to overthrow their king. It was a band of pirates that made short work of of Aapol and his crew. I could easily say it was a bad piece of story writing because he simply had Wapol become king of another land, which highlights why his story telling is so heinous in the examples of bad story telling.

Thriller bark in my opinion is his best representation of oppression. Moria really was a great villain and he doesn't get enough love for his heinous character. People were truly hopeless, not even able to enjoy the son one of the few things guaranteed to human life.. literally cast into a pit of darkness with no hope. It stand out for it's realness of how people would react to such a tyrant. People who had their shadows stolen hated Moria and would never forgive him no matter what and would die to cast him down. A stark contrast to doflamingo, crocodile kaidou where people seem to praise their names and curse those who stood against them.

Now to the meat of the argument almost every other arc that Oda has written. It's not my understanding that if he wrote these arcs differently thst people of the Fandom would enjoy them more but thst people who have faced real oppression would relate to the story more and find them more engaging.

The first story of the one piece anime. Koby and Alvida. I won't say I hate Alvida and think she should be in prison. She was simply doing what pirates do being nasty and robbing people. Though the idea that Luffy showed Koby the way and thus put in motion his long standing career as protector of the people is absurd. Koby lived through that situation because Luffy was stronger than alvida by alot. If he had stood up to alvida and called her fat he'd be dead before the story started. It's very different from Kamina from ttgl who's purpose was to make Simon believe in himself. It was clear in the story that Simon needed kamina at that point in the series. You can't just oppose those in power you need power yourself and careful planning and determination. None of which was part of the storyline of the arc. It was simply the basis of Luffy as a savior and fly by the seat of his pants leader thst in reality would just get his crew killed.

Arlong Park. This story to this day is a master piece that committed most readers to staying with the manga through the parts that dragged. Don't get me wrong I love bellemere and I think her sacrifice was good writing. Though it is a poor representation of the rebellious spirit of people. A mother's first duty is to protect her children. Leaving them to be orphanages and under the rule of Arlong simply because she could not say she didn't have daughters goes against the Idea preservation or the will to fight.. while it's a tear jerker any mother would say she would not have done that. It also greatly undermines the reality of victims of war and tragedy. As if people are punished and persecuted because of their emotions and ideals. When in reality people are killed for one thing. Profit(in these kinds of situation)! In these situations people have two reactions to fight or flee. Simply handing your life over while it might have made an impact on her kids and the major she would have been better served stay9jg alive and she would have known that. Bad writing. It also bothered me that Luffy destroyed Nami's room. While he was right that it was a cage the drawing inside of it were her precious maps that she painstakingly drew by hand her entire life. I was also going to talk about the Fishman and their poor representation in arlong Park but I'll save thst for the Fishman island.

I'll say nothing about Alabasta because vivi and Luffy's relationship was actually the best character development in the story. In fact it was the last time Luffy showed character bar his fight with Lucchi. Her teaching him to bow his head and him punching her out of the savior complex was Oda at his highest. We saw in drum island that Luffy would go through anything to protect his crew but did not have the levelheadedness to make competent decisions. To bad Oda abandoned this level of writing and returned Luffy to the reckless unthink creature he is today. Though we see glimpses of this in arcs like amazon lily. Crocodile was one man and his ambitions brought an entire nation into tragedy. He's not a man of character. A great villain . But I won't say Oda portrays Crocodile as a magnanimous man but a cunning one. Though in the war they tried to show Crocodile as this passionate obstinate man of unwavering ambition but in reality his a small greedy simple minded fool.no matter how many times he poses with Daz he'll never be as Galant as his picture would suggest.

Now I'll combine skypeia,Fishman Island, Dressrosa and Wano in one text because they are the worst offenders of Oda's basic misunderstanding of good opposing evil. Starting with the worst offender imo Skypeia. Getting to the nitty gritty. Japan is historically a pervarior of oppression not a recipient. Oppresion starts at home. People who want to control their environment and the people in it whether good or bad form coalitions and those coalitions as seen today are Governments. Japan bought into the Nazi whole idea of superiority and through Hiroshima learned the tragic way of what failure is. They are now the dogs of America the same as Germany. Going from oppressor to puppet is tragic and you can see it all through fiction. I mean Hashirama literally being the representation of Hiroshima and the nuke that then put the uchiha/japanese into their place.

So it makes sense for the Japanese/manga artist to see serving their oppressors as equals as a natural resolution to a story. Though to project that Idea onto all people is where I get heated. I love Calagra and Noland but their representation of when White "adventures" met natives is absolute bullshit. They didn't come with good intentions, medicine and friendship. They came with death. Simple fact is that if Noland came back and Jaya was still whole it would have been a massacre for that gold. Simply shown as when part of Jaya was shot up into skyisland. Waipa was originally everything we hope Dragon would be. A strong determined leader driven by his rage against the machine. Demanding absolute loyalty and commitment. Though through the story of skypeia Waipa was somehow at fualt. Even going to the lengths of attacking Luffy just for breathing.

He was not but a human caught between the story of two gods. See it's easy to see it as two sides fighting; in life their is often two sides fighting for some reason or really no reason at all. Though Waipa and his clan were in the right. Gan Fall and the rest of the inhabitanta opposed his entire way of life and threatened to take everything he held sacred even his life. This gives him no right to win though any outside observer could see that his fight was righteous, his anger justified. I think thst evaded Oda consciousness and he just meant for a war to be happening. He borrowed from the native Americans for the concept but never understood their plight. When Waipa ended up as the guard for the man that killed his people I knew, I knew for the first time that Oda had no sympathy for Waipa. He was just a character. A minor piece of the story made to mimick the real world. A stereotype. An entertaining warrior.

In his mind the people of Jaya were primitive and incapable of understanding things like disease or ownership. His mind were more like the settlers and had no real inclination to understand the people. I digress. I think it was the first real decision that made me go "wtf, not my man Oda" in that story he related more to Gan Fall than he did Waipa. And Noland more than Calagra.

Moving on to FishmanIsland. The arc thst made me think" I hope Oda doesn't try to speak for the oppressed anymore". In Shabondy we saw what a majority of humans think about Fishman. In my eyes that is it. There's nothing more. Fishman and men can be friends but one side oppressed the other. To paraphrase Muhammad Ali. If there's hundreds of snakes trying to bite me I'm not going on the the few snakes that want to be my friend.

All the premises of Fishman island are flawed. They actually have an army of tens of thousands which in till at the end of the arc was atleast 80 thousand. There is no force thst could oppose Fishman island if they actually wanted to stop people from going their. The idea thst Fishman actually want to live above the water and intimidate with humans would be a dream of small children and women. The men can shape their environment in anyway they see fit. Anytime Luffy intermingled with Fishman their are previous engagements thst leave them indebted to Luffy.

Hody was or could have been the representation of the hatred that Fishman have of people. Yhe rightful hatred of humans. But in reality we don't like people that stand alone. We see people who have their own and we seek to destroy them. Through the old myth of isolation being inherently bad. The story of Fishman island ends up a white savior complex perpetrated through Joyboy, Whitebeard and then Luffy. As if they were there to save them from their own ignorance. I was really on the edge of my seat for a week when they asked Hody why he hated humans so. Imagine my surprise and disappointment when He said for no reason at all.

Out of all the plethora of reason he could have said he said for no reason. This was a big point in the story so far and the apogee of Oda's social commentary. He thinks the hate is unjustified, a petty existence by small minded individuals. The Fishman want to humans yay!!! Hody want to kill the celestial dragons boo. Oda ladies and germs is no rebel. He's a middle class Japanese buisnessman with no understanding of fight the power.

Everything involving the Fishman leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I love fisher tiger. Wish he was still alive in the story now. Such a man could have ambitions of a powerful ruler. He did the same thing Bellemere did. His hatred for human/celestials wasn't enough for him to take that donation and keep fighting. He instead decided to hand over his life to the enemy because of emotion. His right hand Jenbe didn't step in after he lost consciousness and save him. They wept and clung to whitebeards name and
became a retainer of his cause. Not that I'm against this coalition or him then following Luffy. Jenbe has his own fight. Not just to protect Fishman island. Naturally he would want to progress the positions of Fishman to where they could oppose the WG. That doesn't fit the narrative though. Fighting against oppresion is paltry. It's better to appeal to others who can save you. Sad really.

Dressrosa was the worst arc in my opinion. Illsay this about it. Oda insinuating that Violet was willingly sleeping with Doflamingo is disgusting. For what reason. Why do these things roll around his mind. I could see you being a little kinky but a woman who had her kingdom destroyed and her family killed sleeping with the man she knows did it. For what reason? To gain his trust? To stay alive? It just reminds me of game of thrones where Shae says "a woman who was just violated doesn't then just invite a stranger into her bed."We can both agree only a fool would think that.

Then the people who praised doflamingo as a savior. I mean people are dumb but among them are people who are more skeptical. Same with Wano. Another arc that ranks low on my list. I don't actually have a problem with Odas representation of people and oppression. I think it's silly thst Zou in its entirety sees themselves as retainers of Oden. As if he did something so glorious as the be perpetually indebted to him. To risk extinction to someone in all honesty they gave more to than he did in return. Even Orochi living decadesbtorturing people over a grudge was pretty unrealistic in my opinion. There's not enough hatred in a humans heart to torture thousands of decades. Most people could agree that Oden wasn't a good leader and the idea of opening Wanod borders is dubious at best.

But that's it. This is why theirs so much powerscaling and people in general don't care to much about the side characters. It's because they're not real. Just simple representation of real humans popular in shounen style Mangas. it takes actual emotional intelligence to represent real people in their entirety and its not something Oda is good at. As a man it's easier to portray things and emotions that can artistically intrigue and move people. Things like sacrifice, pain power. Though to write real human and real concepts is much harder. The concept of hunger or thirst Odanhssndonenangrest job at but people... society, social commentary. odas just not that good.

feeling lazy to read

 

[Malio]

Read the first 3 paragraphs, but then like a frog you started jumping all over the place

 

[SakazOuki]

Going by this, almost no writer EVER has any right to portray any social issues whatsoever.

Cause if we dig deep, there will be SOMETHING tying them to some fucked up shit. Like their distant ancestors running around doing whatever.



You're completely missing the point of fishman island here...

It's a true and real thing that people do the opposite of what's best for them under the influence of extreme emotion. Fisher tiger is a very real representation of what prejudice over a long period of time does to the affected.

And Jimbe and the rest didn't fight because they would get snuffed out so fucking easily.

Humans outnumber them like a million to one. And they have broken df abilities, multiple countries worth of armies and technology.

Jimbe did what was best for his people. He found the protection of someone who can actually stand up somewhat to the forces of the WG.

Your issue is that tye fish men didn't rise up and over throw the surface dwellers? Think about how many movements in the real world has stood up and won against an enemy as big or even close to the WG in sheer quantity alone?

It's not just one country. It's basically the whole world.








This goes completely against what your gripes were with Fishman island.

So luffy saying to coby he shoulda been standing up to alvida is bad because coby was weak and would get killed...

But fish men, who are so massively outnumbered and overpowered by the human forces(who could honestly exterminate the whole fishmen race with like a single human) choosing preservation over the suicide of their whole race is also bad?

You can't have it both ways. Pick one.


Why? Why is Wapol being the king of another land bad story telling? He had the power. He took advantage of said power, and rose up again. Oda doesn't portray him as a good guy the second time around or anything. He's still the same rotten guy. Maybe a little bit changed because of what he went through.




You are once again criticising fictional characters for not taking the most rational and logical decision while under extreme stress and emotion.

Bellemere just had a whole fight with nami right before the whole incedent. Where nami called her not her mom, bellemere also said something along the lines iirc. So, when Arlong questioned her, saying that she was alone would have meant that Nami was right and bellemere didn't consider nami and nojiko as her real daughters. It was what her mind saw it as. That's how human brain is some times.

Even if Bellemere didn't know that nami and nojiko were watching the whole thing(and she didn't know), if she were to lie about being the only person in the house, to her, she's abandoning the two girls she adapted and rised and are her daughters, to save her skin. She wouldn't be able to look her daughters in the eyes had she survived because of a lie like that.

And, you are also missing the fact that, Arlong pirates basically completely shut down any ways of escape for any residents of cocoyashi village. Bellemere is a former marine. She would know what a fishman army is capable of. She would know the strength of her own village would not be enough to do anything against them. She would know that escape by sea is impossible because their fish men who can swim faster than boats. Had she lied and survived, it was only a matter of time before they found out that she lied, and caught nami and nojiko. They were already struggling before. And now with the added 100000 beri tax from the Arlong pirates, they would just starve to death, or worse, Arlong pirates catch the three and execute all three for lying, to make an example out of them.

So she made a decision at the spur of the moment under the influence of her emotions and her judgement of the situation.

Was there a better way? Who knows. But she believed that was the best course of action.

So your criticism of Alabasta boils down to "I don't like or understand crocodile and his character so he must be shit"



You dont know how things would have gone if Noland and his kingdom found the city of gold. Like at all.

For one, the Shandians didn't care that much for the gold and were willing to give it to Nolands company. So no reason to believe they wouldn't have done the same thing again unless the king and co did some unforgivable shit.

Secondly, Noland was most certainly the strongest man on the kingdom's behalf. And Calgura was a match for him. Had the kingdom done anything against the shandians, those two along with the shandian army and Nolands crew would have obliterated the already thin kingdom army.


And, Waipa was portrayed as evil-ish because we were lacking context. Once we got the context, I doubt anyone thought Waipa was the villain at all. You're just trying to find excuses to hate now.



Once oda gave the context for the war between the shandians and skypians, oda didn't portray the skypians as righteous at all. You're taking everything out of context lol.

And Waipa became the guard of Ganfall because the two factions made up. They finally saw eye to eye and peace came. Gan fall hoped for peace between the two factions and even worked for it while he was god. He was a change from centuries of other gods that were oppressive and warring. That's why once the war was over, Waipa became the Guardian of gan fall.


Also, you're leaving out one of the most important factors regards to the whole war between the two factions and the whole reason for shandians trying to take back their land.

It was because of the golden bell. Kalgura wished to welcome Noland once again with thr sound of the bell. They made a promise. Kalgura fought and died with his shandian brethren because if they didn't get their land back, they couldn't ring the bell and show Noland they were still there.

Once Waipa learned of Montblanc Cricket, the descendant of Noland, and what he was doing, and Once luffy rang the bell to show Cricket that Noland wasn't a liar and that the golden city really did exist, the whole purpose of the war was partly fulfilled. They got the bell back, which was the most important thing. And the poneglyph which their ancestors were protecting. Those two things are what made the land that much important to them and why they fought for centuries.

The land wasn't as important and could be shared once peace was achieved.



They were clearly not as scientifically advanced as Noland the literal botanist. And it was portrayed as tradition vs science. Not really a settlers vs indigenous population.

While it's true that in the real world, the settlers slaughtered the indigenous people and took their land and everything they owned, the skypia story is not an allegory for that. There are similarities between them. But the warriors of shandia were portrayed as more than capable of defeating their supposed settler counter parts. Kalgura was equal to Noland at worst, and Waipa was straight up stronger than Gan fall.

Oda didn't relate more to one side than the other. It just appears to you that way cause you are looking for biases.



As I've already said, Fish men are massively outclassed by the humans on the op world it nif even funny. 80 thousand? That's like the population of one small island. Alabasta had a population of 10 million iirc. And by virtue of being fish men, they don't have many df users either. A single ice ice df user or light light user is all it takes to obliterate their 80k army lol. Dfs are that much of a power.

The fish men want to live above the water cause they wanna see the sun, they want to experience the forests and trees and animals and the nature above ground. You are yourself stereotyping women and children as the only ones who would want to see and experience those things. Why cant the fish men males have such desires? The literal childhood of arlong and his crew was them looking wistfully at the sabaody park and only being able to look at it from a distance. The whole reason arlong made his base on cocoyashi village like a park was because of their dreams of going to the sabaody park.

And goofy has been saving kingdoms and getting indebted to by the saved people every single place he fucking goes. That's how it is cause he's the pirate Jesus. Fish men aren't special in that regard at all.



Wow you missed the whole point of hody too... Imagine my surprise.

Hody was there to show the affects of hatred and how it corrupts the minds of the future generations. And how that continues the cycle of hatred.

Goofy and WB are just the representatives of the good humans. Fish men still has the enemy in humanity. Oda didn't fucking erase their hatred for humans. He portrays the bad side of humanity in the WG and celestial dragons still. So, your idea of ida trying to portray the humans in op as the "white saviors" Doesn't hold much water.

You're missing whole plethora of nuances.



Do you know what Stockholm Syndrome is? I suggest you read up on that.



I'll quote one of the lines from Men in Black 1.

"A person is smart. But people, people are dumb".

Regardless of whether there were skeptics or not, people as a collective makes some stupid decisions. And they just had their king slaughter them for money. And saved by the doffy family. So they were a little inclined to see doffy as a savior I would say. Not to mention the fuckery doffy and co did with the hobi hobi no mi. They turned any potential seeds of skepticism into toys to ve forgotten by the whole fucking population. That's a literal plot point, where the straw hats knock out sugar and free the toys, bringing back the whole rebellious spirit and memories.

Zou doesn't see themselves as retainers to oden. They see themselves as retainers to the kozuki clan. And has been for centuries. It's some ancient kingdom void century lore. We haven't learned why they do it. So hold your judgement until we do.

Also, about Orochi. You are seriously underestimating human hatred. Like seriously.
There have been far far worse shit in real life.
What do you think the whole WW2 was all about? Hitler's love for the people different from him? It stemmed from hatred. Different hatred to that of Orochi's, but hatred nonetheless.



People powerscale because it's a shonen manga first and foremost and it's fucking fun to powerscale.

That doesn't mean that oda can't and hasn't portrayed some real issues in the real world pretty well.

When did you become intelligent

 

[RoronoaZorro]

I'm glad you agree with me.

Yet you decided to comment anyway. This tell me you have nothing going on in your life


I don't understand your english but I'll say this. How much a story decides to mimck reality is a preference. Sometimes I want to read Hajime no Ippo sometime I want to read baki. Though at my age I never want to read something that misrepresents the content it's covering. Oda just bit off more than he could chew as far as the content he cover. He does a poor job of representing it in his manga and it's noticeable.

It's 33 percent of his story and it's kinda cringe.


I don't see why people are mad. Not even disagreeing with what I said just angry for no reason.

Basically : Oda is not even smart & wise enough to be as deep as you're giving him credit for.

 

[AL sama]

pipe down

 

[Herrera95]

a man who while afraid is not afraid to face his fears

People really have a hard time understanding what it means to be brave.

Put this on your head. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji. Most of badass Strawhats and Characters ARE NOT BRAVE/CORAGEOUS. They are fearless.

Brave are the ones like Usopp that despite the fear they face whatever they have to face.

 

[Deleted member 81336]

Pretty sure MelonTree even explained that the powerscaling is because of DBZ. So technically I don’t even think that’s Oda’s fault if fans overlook his characters and stories for powerscaling.

 

[Herrera95]

Thriller bark in my opinion is his best representation of oppression. Moria really was a great villain and he doesn't get enough love for his heinous character. People were truly hopeless, not even able to enjoy the son one of the few things guaranteed to human life.. literally cast into a pit of darkness with no hope. It stand out for it's realness of how people would react to such a tyrant. People who had their shadows stolen hated Moria and would never forgive him no matter what and would die to cast him down. A stark contrast to doflamingo, crocodile kaidou where people seem to praise their names and curse those who stood against them.

I can only agree that Moriah was better than Kaido.

Kaido is really a strong dumb despite Oda efforts to make him with incredible knowledge about the world. He was just the Queen of the table chess that Orochi and that old lady played. Kaido himself did nothing important. He was just strong and fought. Orochi and that lady did everything.

Now Crocodile and Doflamingo had masterpiece plans. If Crocodile had his plan a bit soonner he would had succeed like Doflamingo did.

Moriah is between them. He is like Kaido just a strong dumb but at least he did all by himself. But what he did is nothing that impressive. Despite collecting some good corpses like Ryuuma and Oars, all he did was collecting souls of weak people to fullfill those corpses.

The strongest person he collected the soul was Brook and then Luffy.
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Who? You USA citizens have a bad habit of shorting words. Stop being that lazy to type!
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Arlong Park. This story to this day is a master piece that committed most readers to staying with the manga through the parts that dragged. Don't get me wrong I love bellemere and I think her sacrifice was good writing. Though it is a poor representation of the rebellious spirit of people. A mother's first duty is to protect her children. Leaving them to be orphanages and under the rule of Arlong simply because she could not say she didn't have daughters goes against the Idea preservation or the will to fight.. while it's a tear jerker any mother would say she would not have done that. It also greatly undermines the reality of victims of war and tragedy. As if people are punished and persecuted because of their emotions and ideals. When in reality people are killed for one thing. Profit(in these kinds of situation)! In these situations people have two reactions to fight or flee. Simply handing your life over while it might have made an impact on her kids and the major she would have been better served stay9jg alive and she would have known that. Bad writing. It also bothered me that Luffy destroyed Nami's room. While he was right that it was a cage the drawing inside of it were her precious maps that she painstakingly drew by hand her entire life. I was also going to talk about the Fishman and their poor representation in arlong Park but I'll save thst for the Fishman island.

This paragraph is perfect.

 

[Juanpiz]

I can only agree that Moriah was better than Kaido.

Kaido is really a strong dumb despite Oda efforts to make him with incredible knowledge about the world. He was just the Queen of the table chess that Orochi and that old lady played. Kaido himself did nothing important. He was just strong and fought. Orochi and that lady did everything.

Now Crocodile and Doflamingo had masterpiece plans. If Crocodile had his plan a bit soonner he would had succeed like Doflamingo did.

Moriah is between them. He is like Kaido just a strong dumb but at least he did all by himself. But what he did is nothing that impressive. Despite collecting some good corpses like Ryuuma and Oars, all he did was collecting souls of weak people to fullfill those corpses.

The strongest person he collected the soul was Brook and then Luffy.
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This paragraph is perfect.

Tggl=Gurren Lagann

 

[mly90]

Damn you guys are ruthless

 

[trav]

words words words words oppression words words
yeah no.
Oda does not care about your imaginary struggle.

 

[Juanpiz]

Some of the "Highlights"
Japan and Germany are US "dogs ". Despite being sovereign countries
Oda has an evil Japanese heritage
Whitebeard is a "white savior "

 

[IsaziSempi]

Basically : Oda is not even smart & wise enough to be as deep as you're giving him credit for.

That's something I couldn't see because I was so wrapped into how much I loved the story. I was a huge fan and One Piece is good but eventually the things I ignored or let slide began yo pile up.
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Some of the "Highlights"
Japan and Germany are US "dogs ". Despite being sovereign countries
Oda has an evil Japanese heritage
Whitebeard is a "white savior "

You forgot evil white people came to slaughter all the injuns. Since we're being ignorant and taking what I said out of context. I sir hit you with the permanent mega WHOOSH symbol.

Whooooosssssshhhh!
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It's ttgl
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Pretty sure MelonTree even explained that the powerscaling is because of DBZ. So technically I don’t even think that’s Oda’s fault if fans overlook his characters and stories for powerscaling.

I don't know what your referring to but I'm pretty sure it's Naruto. While Naruto was running kishi said ninjas could time bullets and One Piece fans sat comfortably looking down on Naruto fans. Even Naruto fans could really only send Itachi with their has at us and we would just send out a kizaru.

At some point Naruto was casually dodging light speed attacks and busting the moon. Oda and the fans couldn't sit back after that. In honesty it hurt their egos. Because the anime community has allways been able to sit back and Say one piece is the better story but since timeskip you really have to wonder if that's still true.

If your looking for a good time most people would rather go back and watch the hiding and kakuza arc before they go and watch anything from post time skip. Though the endless powerscaling trolling and vs debates are a sign that there's nothing else interesting enough in the story to hold their attentions. Even all the threads on here are versus threads. Nobody is discussing the void century the world building or anything.

 

[Deleted member 81336]

That's something I couldn't see because I was so wrapped into how much I loved the story. I was a huge fan and One Piece is good but eventually the things I ignored or let slide began yo pile up.
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You forgot evil white people came to slaughter all the injuns. Since we're being ignorant and taking what I said out of context. I sir hit you with the permanent mega WHOOSH symbol.

Whooooosssssshhhh!
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I don't know what your referring to but I'm pretty sure it's Naruto. While Naruto was running kishi said ninjas could time bullets and One Piece fans sat comfortably looking down on Naruto fans. Even Naruto fans could really only send Itachi with their has at us and we would just send out a kizaru.

At some point Naruto was casually dodging light speed attacks and busting the moon. Oda and the fans couldn't sit back after that. In honesty it hurt their egos. Because the anime community has allways been able to sit back and Say one piece is the better story but since timeskip you really have to wonder if that's still true.

If your looking for a good time most people would rather go back and watch the hiding and kakuza arc before they go and watch anything from post time skip. Though the endless powerscaling trolling and vs debates are a sign that there's nothing else interesting enough in the story to hold their attentions. Even all the threads on here are versus threads. Nobody is discussing the void century the world building or anything.

I feel like you really missed what I said tbh, You mentioned powerscaling in your essay I skimmed through. And I’m saying DragonBall Z most likely is the cause of this mentality in the anime community as a whole especially since it came out before Naurto or One Piece. Also not sure why you hate the Timeskip Era cause that’s when the Straw hats crew gets major character development from what I heard.

 

[Juanpiz]

Btw agree mostly with the fishmen stuff bc there is no deeper reason give why they and humans should be BFF except for friendship tolerance etc and why they should live somewhere else