Questions & Mysteries Why people not give Marco enough credit ?

#1
This is legit genuine question I would love if anyone would take time and answer me for this cause i usually don't roam around forums and don't know the perspection of some characters but i recently compared Marco to prime Rayleigh and someone thought they were no where near ?


So here's my understanding on Marco :

- He has been the 2nd mate of a guy that could'v been PK (and that's a fact) so pretty much same position as Rayleigh

- He's probably one of the most experienced people we know of in the story so far he has been since 15 years old (maybe even more) on WB's ship and has seen countless battles and some we know of are the "Summit War" against the marine and the "Payback War" against Blackbear ... (and Haki blooms in battle so experience is huge)

- If everyone believes that Roger vs Whitebeard was a true rivalry which everyone admits to it then how tf ppl treat Marco so far below Rayleigh ? how could the WBP in general matchup to the Roger pirates especially knowing 26 years ago they fought in 3 day and 3 night battle , what is it 1 man show Whitebeard vs Roger Pirates ?

- After the Payback war , the goresei legit said that if Marco won the war he could'v been yonko



And finally my understanding of most characters power level there's an age hierarchy where from 20-40 you're devlepping and could get stronger 40-60 you're at your peak and 60+ you're past your prime and starting to get weaker ... And Marco rn is at 45 so pretty much at his absolute peak



For me Marco rn is exactly Rayleigh at his peak to make a parallel and for me he's a clear cut above the 1st mates of yonko crews (King/Katakuri/Beckman... etc) but a bit weaker than the yonkos and the admirals kinda like Mihawk



So again this is a genuine question maybe i missed something in the story or there's a better explanation for this in the forums but why Marco doesn't get enough credit ?
 
#4
Hes not ray at his peak. Calm down
Oden is wbs strongest subordinate not marco.
And when Oden joined Roger's , it's over ? no one on WB crew could come close to Roger's right ?

and let's say in that 3 day 3 night battle Oden is 2nd strongest then Marco is 3rd surely ? so around Scopper/Rayleigh level still ?

That's not what they said
They said he was one of the few who could stop Teach from becoming a Yonko, not that Marco could have become a Yonko himself

okay but if he won , he would'v had the claim to the yonko spot so he was the closest one to do it ... the exact quote is :

"If anybody can put a stop to his advance, it would have to be the yonkou themselves... or else marco the phoenix and the remnants of the whitebeard pirates."

Literally putting Marco same tier as the other yonkou in that sentence
 
#5
The Marco hate will come down crashing very soon, just wait and see.

Marco stepped in the footsteps of a monster like Oden, yet, he did it and was known as Whitebeard's right hand.

Marco is the only YC so far that constantly performs against Top Tiers. Putting him up against Low high tier Luffy in the mirror world and he'll come out looking tougher than Madara.

Everybody looks strong against an opponent a tier below your level.
 
#6
okay but if he won , he would'v had the claim to the yonko spot so he was the closest one to do it ... the exact quote is :

"If anybody can put a stop to his advance, it would have to be the yonkou themselves... or else marco the phoenix and the remnants of the whitebeard pirates."

Literally putting Marco same tier as the other yonkou in that sentence
Marco commanding the WBP was the closest thing to a Yonko among non Yonkos , and therefore outside of the Yonkos themselves he and the rest of the Whitebeard Pirates were the only ones who could have stopped Blackbeard and His Crew.
It means that even without Whitebeard the WBP were still Overwhelmingly stronger than the likes of the Doflamingo pirates and other Non Yonko crews
 
#7
Marco will make the role of Sabo in this arc, he will be the one to fight against BM and keep her busy.
Most probably.
So, after that, people would have nothing to say. Well, here are many "special" people, maybe they will say BM is YC lvl before admitting Marco' strength.
Anyway, this will be a good arc for the downfall of them and Zorobois.
 
#11
Marco arrived at the war, and no one gave a fuck. They announced his arrival, and no one batted an eye.

So what ?
How does that relate power level wise ?

Luffy wasn't fully acknowledged as a Yonkou after defeating Cracker/Katakuri and Morgans even stretching that he beat fucking Big mom.

Meanwhile Blackbeard was acknowledged as a full fledged Yonkou after defeating Marco.

That's a portrayal difference. Nobody gave a fuck that Katakuri was defeated.
 
#12
So what ?
How does that relate power level wise ?

Luffy wasn't fully acknowledged as a Yonkou after defeating Cracker/Katakuri and Morgans even stretching that he beat fucking Big mom.

Meanwhile Blackbeard was acknowledged as a full fledged Yonkou after defeating Marco.

That's a portrayal difference. Nobody gave a fuck that Katakuri was defeated.
Blackbeard Overwhelmingly defeated Marco and took over Whitebeard's territory

Luffy knocked out Katakuri for a few days and didn't gain any territory
 

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#14
Marco is awesome
Marco is powerful
Marco is smart
Marco is cool
He will prove why he is one of the best character of the show and really powerful during Wano, just wait a little

Marco has enough credit for most of the fans except only for a few non believers.
Marco fought during the 3 big wars of One piece (MF, Payback and Wano). He was te new captain after WB death. He was looked after specifically to help the alliance. He has a lot lot of experience, one of the best DF etc.

(But Marco is not Prime Ray level)
 
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[QUOTE = "sanjikun, post: 656610, membro: 516"] Marco chegou à guerra e ninguém deu a mínima. Eles anunciaram sua chegada e ninguém piscou.

The guys don't care who will come to Wano

They tried to kill the kaido and the reaction of the calamities was:

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#18
Marco has one of the best abilities in the series, and I don't think he's incredibly far from Rayleigh overall, but he is yet to show anything in attack power for me to say they are at the same level in that category.
 
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#19
Blackbeard Overwhelmingly defeated Marco and took over Whitebeard's territory

Luffy knocked out Katakuri for a few days and didn't gain any territory
Don't mind him. He doesn't even know the Manga properly on how to become Yonko

Marco is awesome
Marco is powerful
Marco is smart
Marco is cool
He will prove why he is one of the best character of the show and really powerful during Wano, just wait a little

Marco has enough credit for most of the fans except only for a few non believers.
Marco fought during the 3 big wars of One piece (MF, Payback and Wano). He was te new captain after WB death. He was looked after specifically to help the alliance. He has a lot lot of experience, one of the best DF etc.

(But Marco is not Prime Ray level)
The wars he lost badly and didn't do any damage to people

Luffy fighting 2 wars, he's Pk level I guess
Perospero is fighting in the war that will be the greatest war in OP world... I guess Pero is above dudes who didn't fight.

Fighting a war doesn't make you stronger than x if your stats sucks anyway.

This is why people thought Linlin couldn't fight top tiers or bear YCs cause he didn't get to fight one at WCI.
 
#20
Marco isn't even as strong as old ray.
Great regen for sure, but worse physicals and FAR FAR worse haki.
He is 6 years older than Shanks lol.

These kind of comments is exactly why i made this thread to just understand "WHY?" you didn't explain any of that you just said old ppl are cooler

Like i really don't get why ppl put the old generation's prime in unreachable level like Akainu could never be strong as Garp , Marco could never be strong as Rayleigh , Kaido/Shanks/BM could never be strong as WB/Roger no matter how hard they tries and so on

like the old guys will always be better and Luffy the main character will pretty much conqueror the GL in a weaker era , i just don't get that logic


I respect the hype for the old gen and they really had their moments but to say that no character could match them and even worse in your case you don't think a character in his prime who had so much experience and prestige in Marco could matchup against Rayleigh who's far past his prime just because ?!?


I think Beckman is at the top of current 1st mates. His portrayal is more impressive than Marco's

I know Marco's history and i don't know Beckman so far it's as simple as that , once we learn more maybe that will change even tho i doubt it


(But Marco is not Prime Ray level)

Then simply answer me this question how the WBP rivaled the Roger Pirates ? how in the 3 day 3 night battle let's even say the WBP lost even tho it was never implied as such but who took on Rayleigh ? was it Oden ? okay so who took on Scopper ? and this is 26 years ago btw when Marco was 19


or are we just gonna keep arguing without saying why we think that ? other than you just feel like it
 
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