Powers & Abilities Why people overrate the shit out of Luffy's powerups

sanjikun

sanjikun

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ConquistadoR said:
Totally did not see this coming
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What you lame fucking troll? Luffy couldn't clash with Kaido in his base at the START of the chapter, but he could clash with him at the END.

Did he get a physical strength Zenkai boost 3 panels later? It's literally just a Haki boost.



I know you have a fetish for giving random power creeps for no reason, but even you can't be possibly stupid enough to believe his physical strength skyrocketed mid-chapter.
 
ConquistadoR

ConquistadoR

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sanjikun said:
What you lame fucking troll? Luffy couldn't clash with Kaido in his base at the START of the chapter, but he could clash with him at the END.

Did he get a physical strength Zenkai boost 3 panels later? It's literally just a Haki boost.



I know you have a fetish for giving random power creeps for no reason, but even you can't be possibly stupid enough to believe his physical strength skyrocketed mid-chapter.
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Nope lol. That alone shows the amount of plot carrying Luffy.

It's what you're gonna do next with Doflamingo that's gonna be hilarious. Base Luffy probably got boosted before the raid even started, over the course of his Udon training.

What's gonna be super funny is you using this to scale up Luffy's past opponents by comparing them against Kaido lmfao
 
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sanjikun

sanjikun

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#63
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ConquistadoR said:
Nope lol. That alone shows the amount of plot carrying Luffy.

It's what you're gonna do next with Doflamingo that's gonna be hilarious. Base Luffy probably got boosted before the raid even started, over the course of his Udon training.

What's gonna be super funny is you using this to scale up Luffy's past opponents by comparing them against Kaido lmfao
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I'm literally talking about the same fucking chapter. Can you read?
 
sanjikun

sanjikun

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#65
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ConquistadoR said:
Luffy takes a Ragnaraku to the balls in chapter 1009 and is out for the majority of 1010. Seriously don't understand what you're talking about here lol.
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I'm talking about his base physical strength being the same at the beginning of the chapter and at the end, yet the outcome is wildly differently.

That proves that the problem with Kaido was never physical strength, as if that wasn't obvious enough, just Haki.

 
ConquistadoR

ConquistadoR

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#66
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sanjikun said:
I'm talking about his base physical strength being the same at the beginning of the chapter and at the end, yet the outcome is wildly differently.

That proves that the problem with Kaido was never physical strength, as if that wasn't obvious enough, just Haki.
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Physical strength during the raid? Yes the same.

From FMI to Wano? No. He trained in Udon for two weeks and any training in any Shonen is just convenient excuse for the author to boost stats all over.
 
sanjikun

sanjikun

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ConquistadoR said:
Physical strength during the raid? Yes the same.

From FMI to Wano? No. He trained in Udon for two weeks and any training in any Shonen is just convenient excuse for the author to boost stats all over.
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What are you basing this on? What is your reference point? We literally have him and Sanji against Page 1.





Give "pre-Onigashima" Sanji Luffy's Haki and he does just as good if not better.
 
ConquistadoR

ConquistadoR

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#68
#68
sanjikun said:
What are you basing this on? What is your reference point? We literally have him and Sanji against Page 1.
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Well, Oda said this in Volume 65's SBS about Conquerors Haki.
D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo​
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O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out.​

Not saying Luffy's CoC right out of the timeskip is half as strong as a Yonko. But he surely is strong as one right now given he is splitting the skies with Kaido and I do believe that Kaido would be able to K.O. all the 100,000 with his CoC.

So basically,
FMI Luffy's CoC < An Emperor's CoC which Luffy is equalling now.

Meaning, FMI Luffy's CoC < Onigashima Luffy's CoC.

And we know that the only way to increase one's proficiency in CoC is by getting stronger overall.
 
stairs-kun

stairs-kun

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Finalbeta said:
Classic example of extremism: "Luffy split the sky all his stats are on yonko level" instead of "Luffy split the sky his CoC is on yonko level, let's find out how much he improved in the rest" I actually like Luffy's character but I have to be honest here.
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Monkey D Theories said:
I mean, which of his stats aren't top tier?

he has future sight CoO, he has internal destruction CoA, he has sky splitting CoC coating

he has boundman, tankman, and snakeman which grant him top tier: physical strength, durability, and speed, respectively. Not to mention he can bring out a G4 form in short intervals to bypass the timelimit.
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I think you people ignore that you also have to have strong haki, just not advanced techniques.

Luffy can have ID, but his coa haki is no where near as strong as top tiers, even with aCoC boost.

Yamato has aCoC(haki booster), and still her haki is nowhere near as strong as top tiers.
 
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Sentry22

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stairs-kun said:
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I think you people ignore that you also have to have strong haki, just not advanced techniques.

Luffy can have ID, but his coa haki is no where near as strong as top tiers, even with aCoC boost.

Yamato has aCoC(haki booster), and still her haki is nowhere near as strong as top tiers.
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Yet he is clashing with the Yonko and BM in WCI arc. Please do tell how you came to this hilariously foolish conclusion?



This was before he even attained advanced armament or advanced coc.
 
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stairs-kun

stairs-kun

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Sentry22 said:
Yet he is clashing with the Yonko and BM in WCI arc. Please do tell how you came to this hilariously foolish conclusion?



This was before he even attained advanced armament or advanced coc.
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Big Blocked him with ease using normal CoA. Her haki is stronger. She also has advanced forms as well, but even if she didn’t her haki’s strength is stronger.
 
Sentry22

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stairs-kun said:
Big Blocked him with ease using normal CoA. Her haki is stronger. She also has advanced forms as well, but even if she didn’t her haki’s strength is stronger.
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I'm not arguing whether she is blocking Luffy's attack. This about armament use. If Luffy's version is not top tier like you say it is then he should be in pain after punching BM's armament. After all she is what is considered top tier.
 
stairs-kun

stairs-kun

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Sentry22 said:
I'm not arguing whether she is blocking Luffy's attack. This about armament use. If Luffy's version is not top tier like you say it is then he should be in pain after punching BM's armament. After all she is what is considered top tier.
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She isn't attacking, that's the point. She's blocking.

In 1009 we see Kaido attack Luffy with normal CoA, Luffy blocks but his CoA aches in pain. If Luffy's CoA was top tier, he would have blocked that attack without feeling the effects of Kaido's superior CoA.
 
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Luffy is a yonkou and has two underlings worth over a billion has a shichibukai in his crew and the daughter of a yonkou with adcoc. You can't really overrated Luffy he's a Yonkou and will probably be worth over 5 billion.

Zoro is weak in comparison stop.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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IsaziSempi said:
Luffy is a yonkou and has two underlings worth over a billion has a shichibukai in his crew and the daughter of a yonkou with adcoc. You can't really overrated Luffy he's a Yonkou and will probably be worth over 5 billion.

Zoro is weak in comparison stop.
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Bounty is not a solid power level medium by itself. Pls are constituted by a much wider system of variables.
 
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