Questions & Mysteries Why Roger îs not a swordman

[Shasha23]

I already said they are ‘swordsman’ in practice but not by definition. Mihawk’s drive as far as we know was to be a skilled swordsman, so he went and became the best. That’s Zoro’s goal. That’s not Roger’s or Shank’s goal. You don’t see them salivating over the site of a sword either like other defined swordsman in the series. Again the most recent chapters make this difference clear and it’s real in daily life as well with expertise of any trade.

Until I see either character of Roger or Shanks put emphasis on panel about their drive on the sword, then no it’s not the same sense of swordsmanship as Mihawk or Zoro

Thats your headcanon, Mihawk never once stated he went out of his way to become WSS, from what little we know off him is that Mihawk since he was young went around fighting everyone(not swordsmen) but everyone until he meet Shanks and started fighting him

Only Zoro has the dream of WSS no one else, even Mihawk didnt have that dream but takes pride in the tittle, similar to how Roger never thought of being or wanting to be Pk but after being called PK he took pride in it.

Everything your saying is drivell that was made up in your mind and has nothing to do with One Piece

 

[ConquistadoR]

If you can show a panel anywhere where Shanks cared about being the best swordsman, then I will take my words back.
My point still stands. Dueling for sport is not the same as passion. This is a manga about pirates, not swordsmanship. Sword swallowers need to sit down

So you're trying to chicken out?

When Mihawk meets Shanks, Shanks ask him if he wants to settle things.
When Whitebeard meets Shanks, the stuff he brings up is his legendary duels with Mihawk.

But ok, they were dueling for shits and giggles and not for the title. And even if they were dueling for shits and giggles, if Shanks was truly the superior fighter; why is Mihawk called the WSS and why is Zoro chasing after Mihawk and not Shanks?

 

[Punk Rotten]

So you're trying to chicken out?

When Mihawk meets Shanks, Shanks ask him if he wants to settle things.
When Whitebeard meets Shanks, the stuff he brings up is his legendary duels with Mihawk.

But ok, they were dueling for shits and giggles and not for the title. And even if they were dueling for shits and giggles, if Shanks was truly the superior fighter; why is Mihawk called the WSS and why is Zoro chasing after Mihawk and not Shanks?

There is no chickening out nor anything to chicken to.

Again I stand by everything I say where until they show ambition about swordsmanship then I can be proven wrong.

Simple. Because Shanks is a swordsman in practice not by definition. You Mihawk and Zoro fans who truly overblown Mihawk and in turn Zoro need to chill.

Mihawk is not the strongest everrrr like so many fanboys think when the story itself has given no indicator.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

There is no chickening out nor anything to chicken to.

Again I stand by everything I say where until they show ambition about swordsmanship then I can be proven wrong.

Simple. Because Shanks is a swordsman in practice not by definition. You Mihawk and Zoro fans who truly overblown Mihawk and in turn Zoro need to chill.

Mihawk is not the strongest everrrr like so many fanboys think when the story itself has given no indicator.

Because Shanks is a swordsman in practice not by definition

whats a swordsman by definition.


Mihawk is not the strongest everrrr like so many fanboys think when the story itself has given no indicator.
i think most sane people recognize that.

 

[HA001]

Because Shanks is a swordsman in practice not by definition

whats a swordsman by definition.


Mihawk is not the strongest everrrr like so many fanboys think when the story itself has given no indicator.
i think most sane people recognize that.

Come back to tg. Everyone calmed down

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Come back to tg. Everyone calmed down

honestly man
i dont feel like it

 

[Punk Rotten]

Because Shanks is a swordsman in practice not by definition

whats a swordsman by definition.


Mihawk is not the strongest everrrr like so many fanboys think when the story itself has given no indicator.
i think most sane people recognize that.

Zoro and Mihawk?

Are you new to this manga?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Zoro and Mihawk?

Are you new to this manga?

yes I am new to the manga
are those the only two swordsmen in this manga?

zoro and mihawk are examples of what you think fit the definition of swordsmen
you have failed to clarify what defines a swordsman .
can you pls answer my question?

 

[Franosuke]

Zoro and Mihawk?

Are you new to this manga?

So you can't be a swordsman "by definition" unless you are a follower of some vague ass ideology that differs from person to person? Wtf is a swordsman "by definition" if not someone who uses a sword?

 

[Punk Rotten]

yes I am new to the manga
are those the only two swordsmen in this manga?

zoro and mihawk are examples of what you think fit the definition of swordsmen
you have failed to clarify what defines a swordsman .
can you pls answer my question?

The characters themselves focusing on the way of the sword and priding themselves as such. As many times I’ve stated, following the philosophy of the sword as clearly established by Oda himself throughout the series.

Talking about this is tired at this point because people act like using a sword and being a swordsman in practice is the same as someone with the intent to being the best.

100% not the same thing

 

[style]

Shiryu isn't a swordsman then

That dude is one of the dirtiest character to find

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

The characters themselves focusing on the way of the sword and priding themselves as such. As many times I’ve stated, following the philosophy of the sword as clearly established by Oda himself throughout the series.

Talking about this is tired at this point because people act like using a sword and being a swordsman in practice is the same as someone with the intent to being the best.

100% not the same thing

well i think its tiresome because you are also being very vague and its increasingly hard to clarify your point
which philosophy do mihawk and zoro follow that these guys dont.

I can state a couple which have been said

Spoiler

I have highlighted a few of what one might describe as the philosophies of a swordsman
which one excludes some of the people you mentioned

"people act like using a sword and being a swordsman in practice is the same as someone with the intent to being the best."
so is intent to be the best swordsman whats necessary here?

 

[Punk Rotten]

So you can't be a swordsman "by definition" unless you are a follower of some vague ass ideology that differs from person to person? Wtf is a swordsman "by definition" if not someone who uses a sword?

Look at Zoro’s character. That’s what I mean. Look at Mihawk’s character. Mihawk is the WSS, meaning he earned the title for what it means. It’s self explanatory. It says worlds strongest swordsman for a reason. He’s the best period with it.

Roger is a swordsman in the fact he uses a sword, but he has not proven to follow the code or consider himself devoted to the sword. Same goes to Shanks.

That’s the difference I am trying to make here. No shit they are swordsman in a literal generic sense. Anyone can pick up a damn sword. But according to Zoro’s interaction with King and how he uses the sword, and the depiction that serious swordsmen have, it’s not the same.

Declare it. Stake your claim. Neither character have claimed it. They use swords and are powerful. That’s it so far.

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well i think its tiresome because you are also being very vague and its increasingly hard to clarify your point
which philosophy do mihawk and zoro follow that these guys dont.

I can state a couple which have been said

Spoiler

I have highlighted a few of what one might describe as the philosophies of a swordsman
which one excludes some of the people you mentioned

"people act like using a sword and being a swordsman in practice is the same as someone with the intent to being the best."
so is intent to be the best swordsman whats necessary here?

No, it is the focus on the character around the philosophy of the sword. As Oda depicted the characters. Shanks and Roger have not once in the story shown focus on swordsmanship alone as their path. I say path as in focus and expertise in life and ambition. Simple as that.

 

[Gensui Sazid]

shouldnt this thread be closes with Oda recently bodying all the hackyman/pure swordsman bullshit in the Ussop Gallery

 

[Finalbeta]

Mihawk WSS > Roger

Roger failed to forge a black blade

 

[Cinera]

I already said they are ‘swordsman’ in practice but not by definition. Mihawk’s drive as far as we know was to be a skilled swordsman, so he went and became the best. That’s Zoro’s goal. That’s not Roger’s or Shank’s goal. You don’t see them salivating over the site of a sword either like other defined swordsman in the series. Again the most recent chapters make this difference clear and it’s real in daily life as well with expertise of any trade.

Until I see either character of Roger or Shanks put emphasis on panel about their drive on the sword, then no it’s not the same sense of swordsmanship as Mihawk or Zoro

Sorry, I don't really want to engage with this stupidity anymore.

 

[Shasha23]

There is no chickening out nor anything to chicken to.

Again I stand by everything I say where until they show ambition about swordsmanship then I can be proven wrong.

Simple. Because Shanks is a swordsman in practice not by definition. You Mihawk and Zoro fans who truly overblown Mihawk and in turn Zoro need to chill.

Mihawk is not the strongest everrrr like so many fanboys think when the story itself has given no indicator.

Get this in your head Shanks is not the strongest ever and Shanks is weaker than Mihawk, also since when is saying Mihawk is stronger than Shanks saying Mihawk is the strongest ever LOL

You delusional Agenda Piece readers need to stop this already, Shanks is not a god he is a simple stepping stone for Zoro period!

 

[Gensui Sazid]

Get this in your head Shanks is not the strongest ever and Shanks is weaker than Mihawk, also since when is saying Mihawk is stronger than Shanks saying Mihawk is the strongest ever LOL

You delusional Agenda Piece readers need to stop this already, Shanks is not a god he is a simple stepping stone for Zoro period!

now we have philosophy school only for swordsmanship in OP


its prolly called Coping School for mental-gymnastic of Swordsmanship philosophy

 

[The White Crane]

Roger had many extreme battles with garp, as in GARP THE FIST. Unless You think Rogers sword was clashing with garps fist all this time in all these battles, and that îs stupid.

Roger îs Like wb, when needed he can pull his sword bisento to fight weapons, or he punches You into the ground. He îs versatile fighter, not limited to Something.

 

[Finalbeta]

Shanks should have learned his style from either Roger or Rayleigh or both so that is how he turned a swordsman probably.