Versus Battle why sukuna still wins against gojo without 10 shadows

[Levi]

I still think gojo saying all that is gege hate boner showing


You don’t get ko white eye
Brained fried
Eyes bleeding
Make megumi soul take limitless
And scared of purple
achieved that space plot cuttting only be using maho as a guide

But he’s supposedly
doesn’t need 10s
was holding back the whole time
Didn’t go all out

nothing wrong with the contradictions gaygay wrote this chpt💀

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I still think 👖 saying all that is gege hate boner showing


You don’t get ko white eye
Brained fried
Eyes bleeding
Make megumi soul take limitless
And scared of purple
achieved that space plot cuttting only be using maho as a guide

But he’s supposedly
doesn’t need 10s
was holding back the whole time
Didn’t go all out

nothing wrong with the contradictions gaygay wrote this chpt💀

Sukuna barely used anything in the fight tho and thats a fact

 

[Levi]

Sukuna barely used anything in the fight tho and thats a fact

Also got ko that’s a fact

 

[Golden Garp]

Also got ko that’s a fact

He had a plan the entire way through. Pack up Gojo with 10S and hide his trump cards. Which he did.

 

[zenox]

Sure, sharing reasonable criticism is called "coping" according to you.

I didnt act like this when Fujishiro was calling 👖 a Gary Stu. I understood his perspective and said wait for it, 👖 will lose.
Anyway, you are in excitement stage right now. Come back when you have cooled down.

coping is one of the most common terms used on this site
i didnt mean to offend anyone on that
and idk how demeaning sukuna's character like this is ' reasonable criticism '

 

[Levi]

He had a plan the entire way through. Pack up 👖 with 10S and hide his trump cards. Which he did.

His plan was studying maho and how to pass thru infinity 🫤at less you admit he needed 10s unlike the rest

 

[notAfanboy]

coping is one of the most common terms used on this site
i didnt mean to offend anyone on that
and idk how demeaning sukuna's character like this is ' reasonable criticism '

Instead of using the word "coping", try to address the issue.
How is Sukuna not a Gary Stu?
Make a thread on it and give it your best shot.
Compare him to characters like Baam from Tower of God and Sung Jinwoo from Solo Leveling.

Use this term: Farmimg. And compare it to what Sukuna has been doing.

What Does Farming Mean? Farming refers to a gaming tactic where a player, or someone hired by a player, performs repetitive actions to gain experience, points or some form of in-game currency.

I am looking at it from a different perspective. You may disagree. I am not taking a moral high ground or calling your opinions trash. I am just adding my own thoughts to them.

Take them as you want.

 

[Kiiro]

It was an extreme diff battle, would have gone anyway. At the end, Sukuna used 10 shadows so we dont know if he could defeat G0jo without it. G0jo can say whatever he wants, we all know that Sukuna was buffed and almost defeated.

Didnt go all out? Much more, he couldnt against G0jo.

 

[zenox]

Instead of using the word "coping", try to address the issue.
How is Sukuna not a Gary Stu?
Make a thread on it and give it your best shot.
Compare him to characters like Baam from Tower of God and Sung Jinwoo from Solo Leveling.

Use this term: Farmimg. And compare it to what Sukuna has been doing.

What Does Farming Mean? Farming refers to a gaming tactic where a player, or someone hired by a player, performs repetitive actions to gain experience, points or some form of in-game currency.

I am looking at it from a different perspective. You may disagree. I am not taking a moral high ground or calling your opinions trash. I am just adding my own thoughts to them.

Take them as you want.

if u want u can make a thread on sukuna being a mary sue
i will then simply reply trying to debunk all of it

G0jo can say whatever he wants,

 

[kom5]

1st lets make it clear 👖 himself admits
sukuna without 10 shadows is still the strongest of all time

now lets prove his point right
i am gonna do a versus of 👖 vs heian era sukuna ( as much as we know abt him ) without 10 shadows and how the fight would have gone

1. the fight starts
- 👖 uses a 100% output purple and throws it towards sukuna
sukuna will now get time to react to it and he will tank it better than what happened in the manga ( the output of purple will also be less )

and from here on basically everything will nearly go how it went in the manga till the domain expansion chapter

2. both sukuna and 👖 open their domain :

👖 loses the clash cause of sukuna having an open barrier :

malevolent shrine attacks 👖 :

here sukuna will be willing to use open since he does not need to worry about any external threat after his fight with 👖

4. sukuna pressurises 👖 and lets say 👖 somehow survives MS despite sukuna using open

5. 👖 will then try to open his domain again and again

until he reaches the ball domain

here in the manga we see 👖's ball domain made both of them have a stalemate in domain battles

but the sole reason of this was because sukuna was targeting the outside of 👖's domain
even 👖 was questioning this

if sukuna targeted the inside of 👖's domain , then he would have a easier time of breaking it

- the only reason he wasnt breaking it from inside was cause sukuna wanted mahoraga to adapt to unlimited void
and the longer mahoraga remains in UV , the faster it will adapt to it

so now that sukuna aint got mahoraga , he will directly target the inside of 👖's domain which will make things faster for him

- not only this
we know the fastest time 👖 can beat sukuna to the point of breaking his domain is exactly 3 minutes

this was proved twice

but now sukuna will be using open and he wont hold back against 👖

so obv the time it will take for 👖 to beat sukuna and break his barrier will increase and it will be > 180 seconds
and in this fight every second counts as we can see in the manga :

- there is another factor of sukuna using DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION which is a great defense against limitless

thus 👖's cursed techniques wont be as effective on sukuna as the manga version
since sukuna had to deactivate DA in order for mahoraga to adapt

so here are the factors to break this stalemate :

- sukuna will attack from the inside which will make it faster to break 👖's domain
- 👖 wont be able to beat sukuna in 3 minutes
- sukuna will use domain amplification to defend himself

6. this will eventually lead to sukuna breaking 👖's domain before 👖 damages him enough

now u will have this fight be repetitive
- sukuna breaks 👖's barrier
- 👖 survives MS
-👖 heals his ct with rct
- 👖 again opens his domain
rinse and repeat

this will go on until 👖 eventually gasses out from healing his rct

We know 👖's limit is 5 times

so after the 5th time , he wont be able to open his domain

then sukuna will simply open a domain with a barrier
which wont let 👖 run away and he will simply die

conclusion :

👖 actually never stood a chance against sukuna
the only downside to this is they would still be in the domain clashes ( aka round 1 ) if sukuna didnt have 10 shadows

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Lol never stood a chance he was more than a challenge to him without 10s the fight would be more equal

 

[notAfanboy]

if u want u can make a thread on sukuna being a mary sue
i will then simply reply trying to debunk all of it

Sukuna is a Gary Stu.


Debunk it here.

 

[zenox]

Sukuna is a Gary Stu.


Debunk it here.

great fucking detailed points with a lot of relevance behind it

Lol never stood a chance he was more than a challenge to him without 10s the fight would be more equal

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poor gojo would still get mauled to death
the best he could do would be satisfying sukuna in the fight ( which is still a step above than making him nervous )

 

[zhenon]

Gojo: Sakuna was stronger than me, even without 10S, or his heian era. I couldn't make him go all out even. He was holding back the whole fight.

His fans: Nah he lying



How do you think Gojo was able to do so much damage? it was because Sakuna was holding back. Dudes a masochist

 

[Artem]

Even a sukuna with 19 fingers and no shadows (according to gojo layers) is more of a favorite than a gojo spm. Sukuna could literally win a few more domain battles, could destroy from the inside, which gojo himself asked about. He could apply punching techniques, "falling flower". But all he did was adapt the macho, if there had been no macho, another strategy would have been taken where he would have broken domains inside, would not have tolerated attacks to adapt the macho, and so on. The sukuna of the Hayen era is even stronger.

 

[Worst]

Even a sukuna with 19 fingers and no shadows (according to 👖 layers) is more of a favorite than a 👖 spm. Sukuna could literally win a few more domain battles, could destroy from the inside, which 👖 himself asked about. He could apply punching techniques, "falling flower". But all he did was adapt the macho, if there had been no macho, another strategy would have been taken where he would have broken domains inside, would not have tolerated attacks to adapt the macho, and so on. The sukuna of the Hayen era is even stronger.

What's important is that it wasn't Maho who bypassed infinity.

He says that Mahoraga was altering the essence of his own CE when he was adapting:

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And he says that's not something he can do cuz.......well he's not Mahoraga and he can't alter the essence of his own CE

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He waited untill Mahoraga would figure out a process he could emulate with his own CT

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( We learned that as Mahoraga fights he iterates over a variety of ways he can counter an attack or become more effective while attacking )

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And that's exactly what he did, Sukuna just observed Mahoraga's adaptation process and he learned how use his CT in a way to bypass infinity, what he couldn't do wasn't to bypass infinity ( he just didn't knew how to ) but to alter his CE like Maho does so he had to wait untill Maho would try something he could replicate, it's a bit like when Gojo figured out how to use Purple, it was something he was always able to do he just couldn't fully figure it out untill Toji got him on the ropes,

Ofc it's a bit like cheating cuz he probably wouldn't have figured it out without Maho, the fight would've certainly been a lot more 50/50 but as u said Sukuna had a lot of other ways to possibly win this.....

 

[Artem]

What's important is that it wasn't Maho who bypassed infinity.

He says that Mahoraga was altering the essence of his own CE when he was adapting:

Spoiler

And he says that's not something he can do cuz.......well he's not Mahoraga and he can't alter the essence of his own CE

Spoiler

He waited untill Mahoraga would figure out a process he could emulate with his own CT

Spoiler

( We learned that as Mahoraga fights he iterates over a variety of ways he can counter an attack or become more effective while attacking )

Spoiler

And that's exactly what he did, Sukuna just observed Mahoraga's adaptation process and he learned how use his CT in a way to bypass infinity, what he couldn't do wasn't to bypass infinity ( he just didn't knew how to ) but to alter his CE like Maho does so he had to wait untill Maho would try something he could replicate, it's a bit like when 👖 figured out how to use Purple, it was something he was always able to do he just couldn't fully figure it out untill Toji got him on the ropes,

Ofc it's a bit like cheating cuz he probably wouldn't have figured it out without Maho, the fight would've certainly been a lot more 50/50 but as u said Sukuna had a lot of other ways to possibly win this.....

Yes, I know that. Maho just showed different ways that you can bypass infinity and Sukun's method number 2 was able to repeat himself, he just applied his cut in a new way. So yes, there are various ways to circumvent infinity, Sukuna chose the option with macha as the simplest and most reliable (the fact that he did not fight to the full confirms this)

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

http://imgur.com/a/WjbOaAf

 

[Kiiro]

What's important is that it wasn't Maho who bypassed infinity.

He says that Mahoraga was altering the essence of his own CE when he was adapting:

Spoiler

And he says that's not something he can do cuz.......well he's not Mahoraga and he can't alter the essence of his own CE

Spoiler

He waited untill Mahoraga would figure out a process he could emulate with his own CT

Spoiler

( We learned that as Mahoraga fights he iterates over a variety of ways he can counter an attack or become more effective while attacking )

Spoiler

And that's exactly what he did, Sukuna just observed Mahoraga's adaptation process and he learned how use his CT in a way to bypass infinity, what he couldn't do wasn't to bypass infinity ( he just didn't knew how to ) but to alter his CE like Maho does so he had to wait untill Maho would try something he could replicate, it's a bit like when 👖 figured out how to use Purple, it was something he was always able to do he just couldn't fully figure it out untill Toji got him on the ropes,

Ofc it's a bit like cheating cuz he probably wouldn't have figured it out without Maho, the fight would've certainly been a lot more 50/50 but as u said Sukuna had a lot of other ways to possibly win this.....

It was an extreme diff battle, Sukuna had and had to figure out how to bypass infinity and even with Maho, it he almost lost. I mean, why will Sukuna waist time figuring out how to bypass it? The only reason is because all or most of his other strategies were useless unless he bypasses infinity and once doing that, he can simply trick Gojo as he did, not forcing nothing as he could hit Gojo, and Gojo didnt expect it.

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Yes, I know that. Maho just showed different ways that you can bypass infinity and Sukun's method number 2 was able to repeat himself, he just applied his cut in a new way. So yes, there are various ways to circumvent infinity, Sukuna chose the option with macha as the simplest and most reliable (the fact that he did not fight to the full confirms this)

He did fight at his full. Dude almost lost.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

He did fight at his full. Dude almost lost.

Gojo, a six eyes user, disagrees.

http://imgur.com/a/EoC2MAz

 

[Kiiro]

👖, a six eyes user, disagrees.

http://imgur.com/a/EoC2MAz

Yeah, Sukuna used 99% of his power. Great, almost died.