General & Others Why was Doflamingo not an Emperor?

Was Doffy close to Emperor status?

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Salah WG

Salah WG

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The main reason was because WG didn't know about his Influence
Gorosei said that if they knew about Baroque Works, they would have removed Crocodile from Shichibukai & doubled his Bounty
That's because they don't want to allow Pirates to amass such Great Military Power
Same for Doflamingo, they didn't know about his Schemes

However if he wanted to Rival Yonko he would have done so, Caesar Weapons + Smiles + DF Black Market + Underworld Influence would have definitely allowed him to create an Army capable of fighting Yonko, & he would have gained the loyalty of Kingdoms he provided Weapons to & befriended + Dressrosa as his Base

But Doffy had different ambition, he wanted "Chaos", he wanted to see everyone destroy each other & enjoy watching
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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Monkey D Luffy said:
First at all he is not strong enough.
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This is the main aspect despite it would sound shallow and weak-willed to just claim so, but it's the truth.

Power is all in Shonen manga, OP is no exception to the rule. If Doffy was much much much more powerful he would have easily harnessed many territories and made his own smile army instead of lending his laborious work to Kaido to begin with. He is also chaotic enough to manage a lot of crazy stuffs.
 
Mr. Anderson

Mr. Anderson

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#32
Because he had a different ambition, he wanted to watch the world turn on itself from the shadows. With the type of influence Doffy had he could have very well amassed an army that could pose a threat to the emperors

Everyone saying Doffy was too weak, is forgetting that Law had to literally shred his organs apart to have a fighting chance lmao. Inb4 he was taking turns mid diffing Luffy and Law.
 
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chacharealsmooth

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nik87 said:
What's the difference?
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Marco was the right hand of the strongest pirate alive. It is no wonder that he is seen above other remaining Yonko FMs and newly emerging pirates.
Plus, it was not hard to speculate that he would command remaining of WB pirates, which is a solid Yonko crew with inclusion of thousands of foot soldiers too.
Doffy and his crew, including his main subordinates, are trash. They existed for trading stuff in underworld and were nothing but replaceable pawns for Yonkos in the moment they failed.
 
dirtyLarry

dirtyLarry

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#37
#37
nik87 said:
What did Donquixote family lack to obtain a status of an Emperor?

When Garp talks about the Yonko he describes the way how they rule the 2nd half of the Grand Line, like Emperors.
From what we have seen, what makes an Emperor are first and foremost, a large crew.
Secondly, territories that they rule over or use their name to protect them.
Thirdly, the influence in the seas where they operate.

Let's start with influence. It's certainly an area where Donquixote didnt fall short. Doffy was one of the most influential characters in New World and his operations reached out to Paradise as well. He was seen in Jaya where his underling Bellamy operated and his operations were noted in Sabaody. Ultimately, as Joker, he was the man who ran the Underworld in New World, many countries were depending on his operation. The whole SMILE operation was possible because of him. His influence even reached to the top of the World Government, he blackmailed them into fooling the entire world just for his scheme of fooling Law and SHs.

When it comes to territories, he certainly doesnt lack in that section either, with the whole Dressrosa under his command he fulfills that requirement.
Human auction in Sabaody was also his territory, ran by his influence and connections until he abandoned it. Considering that other Emperors dont have more territories necessarily than their headquarters, this certainly isnt a reason why Doffy isnt an Emperor, especially considering that Luffy was proclaimed as Emperor without a single territory that could be called his HQ. With Vergo and Monet monitoring and protecting Caesar, Punk Hazzard could also be considered his territory.

When it comes to having a large crew, Doffy should check this one as well. His troops counted over 2.000 men, that may be short compared to the number the Emperors command but compared to Shanks or Blackbeard, depending on how many they command, may not be short after all. When it comes to notable members, Doflamingo family probably counts more than RedHair and Blackbeard Pirates who have around 10 notable members. Doflamingo had 4 commanders under him, called Seats. All Seats commanded 3-4 notable members under them, aside from Vergo who was on an undercover operation. There is also Monet whose hierarchy is uncertain.

The most terrifying powers in his organization, especially in Dressrosa setting, were the abilities of 3 characters - Doflamingo's Birdcage which prevents the enemies from escaping as well as cutting off all communications and prevents help from coming in. In such limited space which constantly shrinks, we have the country-wide terraforming ability of the Seat, Pica. While ridiculed by downplayers, we now see that his powers are of more use than all Calamities and Sweet Commanders put together. On top of those two abilities, we have the ultimate trump card, Sugar, with the frightening ability which neutralized many threats in Doflamingo's way.

So, considering that Doflamingo checks off all the requirements that make an Emperor, why wasnt he one of them?
The first objection could be that he himself wasnt individually strong enough. Luffy became an Emperor when he demonstrated proof of strength and his commanding troops became known. Doffy is a strong individual, not on the level of other Emperors but still, he wouldnt be a Warlord if he wasnt incredibly strong himself(Buggy-senchou aside). The number of troops required to defeat the Doflamingo family was comparable to a number of troops currently fighting an Alliance between two Emperors, granted that aside from Big Mom herself and Perorin, nobody else from BMP are there as of now.

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Kaido said it best: "You were just too fucking weak, Joker."

Half the SHs wiped out Doflamingo and his entire crew without even going into tryhard mode. Luffy's basic G4 alone was enough to completely outclass Doflamingo.

Now let's remember how Luffy fared in his first encounters against actual Yonkous (heck, even Katakuri, a mere commander) ... you should be easily able to answer your question yourself then.
 
Extravlad

Extravlad

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#40
-Lack of individual strength

-Most of his influence was hidden from the world, not everybody knew of Joker or that Doffy=Joker

-He did have a lot of influence but that didn't translate into territories

-Dressrosa being a Kingdom affiliated with the WG for centuries, Doflamingo could never have given up on his Shichibukai statut and kept his base of operation there
 
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