Questions & Mysteries Why was Killer nerfed?

[ShishioIsBack]

Because you completely twisted what happened in canon.

Killer likes his hand blades.
Killer's forced to use something else.
Killer goes back to his hand blades when given the choice.

So the problem with that is

-How do we know killer like his hand blades? did he say he likes them?
-How do we know he was forced? Did anyone say he was forced?
-Killer goes back to his hand blades when he has no choice to keep scythes. Gyukimaru took one.

If anything Killer going back to his sickles only after Gyukimaru took his scythe is point in Scythe's favor

Probably the Kidd Pirates raiding whatever store house their items were locked in? Why would he be better with random scythes than the weapon Oda's drawn him with on three separate occasions now [Sabaody —> Kidd's Hideout Island —> Last Chapter]?

Could be. I mean Zoro was better off with Shushui in the very arc he got shushui than he was with Yubashiri for last 3/4 arcs although Shushui is a Japanese long sword much heavier while yubashri is a one handed katana.

Yeah, he can fight with it. It's not like all the power is in the weapons, but fighting with your signature weapons > Random shit you got from Orochimaru.

Maybe its random shit, maybe great grade weapons he picked.
Why would Orochi nerf him?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

This happened in the manga. Zoro trapped Killer's scythes and what happened in next chapter is he fainted.

Well after he one shot killer. Who cares he fainted after wards

This happened in the manga too.
Zoro didn't kill Killer.

He knocked him out though. Maybe go for neck instead of torso. gg? yeah

 

[Jo_Ndule]

You are a pain

"How do we know he likes his signature style "

Is this a joke?

 

[Topi Jerami]

Zoro hate is 2019. Get with the times Straw Hat.

How can I hating on my favorite character???
I simply just rate him fairly instead putting him very high at some imaginary pedestal like what these priests here always do.


And for @ShishioIsBack , no offense, bu you just suck at every Zoro related topics. Better stick with your current One Piece-Fairy Tail comparison instead.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

So the problem with that is

-How do we know killer like his hand blades? did he say he likes them?
-How do we know he was forced? Did anyone say he was forced?
-Killer goes back to his hand blades when he has no choice to keep scythes. Gyukimaru took one.

Yes, he likes them. It's why he hasn't voluntarily replaced them in the two+ years he's been in the New World.

If anything Killer going back to his sickles only after Gyukimaru took his scythe is point in Scythe's favor

You blend a weird line of serious and trolling for me. I can't really tell which is which currently.

Maybe its random shit, maybe great grade weapons he picked.
Why would Orochi nerf him?

Orochi doesn't care about Killer. It's why he fed him a SMILE of all things. It's why he said Queen could do whatever he wanted with him after 1 known failure.

Maybe Ax-Hand Morgan had a Saijō Ō Wazamono? Do I have any proof of this, beyond a random what-if question? No. So I won't push it.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

And for @ShishioIsBack , no offense, bu you just suck at every Zoro related topics. Better stick with your current One Piece-Fairy Tail comparison instead.

Its funny I feel exactly same as you

 

[ShishioIsBack]

@Fujishiro

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@Fujishiro

Leave him alone. You were bad enough on VC.

 

[style]

Great analysis @ShishioIsBack

Though I'm not fully convinced with the last point

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Give zoro his third sword, give killer his usual weapons and suppress the laugh, zoro wins probably with more ease than he did the first time.

Sure killer was nerfed but to what extent?
He had been using these scythes for a while now, zoro just took them from him and did a better use on his first try. Skills wise, that proves zoro>> killer.

About the laugh, yes sure it affected him but he was disguised, nobody could see his face, nobody here was making fun of his laugh, ok he despises it but how much of nerf would that be? Does that really take away a big chunk of his strength, i doubt it. Hungry and injured zoro by flexing his muscles prevented him from retrieving his scythe. So strength wise zoro >> killer too.

Mid diff, I'm generous with killer by agreeing that he was indeed a little nerfed. He was around 85 % of his capacity while my man zoro was at 75%. Still enough to roast him.

 

[Finalbeta]

Because Oda is a genius and he wants to give Killer a big portrayal. Unfortunately he won't go as far as Kidd ultimately.

 

[Kikodog78]

This quote by Nami pretty much sums up this question in a nutshell

Spoiler

The world of One Piece is driven by willpower and conviction. Haki and strength in general is driven by one's personal belief both in themselves and what they're fighting for, and when they don't believe in what they're fighting for they become weaker. So in the case of Killer, who was fighting for one of the men responsible for holding his captain hostage and force feeding him a fruit that makes him reveal his laugh he's been hiding his entire life, it would only make sense he'd become weaker fighter for him than when he is usually fighting for the guy he believes in more than anything else, Kid.

 

[Garp the Fist]

He wasn't fighting to his full capabilities without his main weapons. Zoro with three random swords is weaker than Zoro with his actual swords, the same logic applies.

He was still strong though, Zoro told us that. And he wasn't some broken bubbling mess of a man at the time- he was still sharp enough combat wise to tell that Zoro wasn't taking it seriously at first, and was fairly lucid all in.

Zoro was also nerfed. Didn't have his third sword, had Gyukimaru throwing attacks at his back which is what led to the stab.

I'm also drawn to remember the Ryuma fight, where Oda said because of the similar nature of their swordsmanship and strength, a fight between the two would be short and end with the first real hit. Here we had a nerfed Killer and a nerfed Zoro land a hit on each other, and lo and behold, knock each other out.

It's also no coincidence that the fight happened at the same time that their two captains were competing against each other in Udon. I think that with hindsight, now we know Kamazou is Killer that Oda was drawing parallels there, especially as we now also have the two crews charging after Kaido together. Basically "yes, Luffy and Zoro's bounties have went over Kid and Killer's, but they are still rivals." For now, at least, I still think Oda will end up having Luffy and Zoro blow Kid and Killer out of the water.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Luffy was captured and imprisoned in Udon at the time of the fight. Was Zoro nerfed too? I mean there is noway Zoro wouldn't be worried about Luffy, right?

Sounds like nit-picking, Doesn't it? That's what you're all doing with the whole Killer is mind-fucked arguments. If author wanted to make it a point that Killer was too broken to fight at his best, he'd have left us a hint to follow. These arguments are no better than Zoro is KO'ed because he's hungry arguments that Zoro lovers use to justify his KO. Are people even serious when they say Killer is nerfed because people can see his face?

 

[Zenos7]

Are people even serious when they say Killer is nerfed because people can see his face?

its about the face and the laugh, not just the face.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Luffy was captured and imprisoned in Udon at the time of the fight. Was Zoro nerfed too? I mean there is noway Zoro wouldn't be worried about Luffy, right?

Sounds like nit-picking, Doesn't it? That's what you're all doing with the whole Killer is mind-fucked arguments. If author wanted to make it a point that Killer was too broken to fight at his best, he'd have left us a hint to follow. These arguments are no better than Zoro is KO'ed because he's hungry arguments that Zoro lovers use to justify his KO. Are people even serious when they say Killer is nerfed because people can see his face?

Lol

I didnt know Zoro got new weapons and started doing what he doesnt like... while serving Kaido

Killer was serving Kaido/Orochi (people who do not believe in him) ! While laughing (something he doeent like doing) and having weapons that isnt his main.

Sometimes you guys should stop thinking you know better while the Manga clearly tell you that Killer wasn't himself thus Nerfed

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[Aknolagon]

Until oda said by anyone that he was nerfed, you can't say he was nerfed. Until now a smile makes you only strong or laugh for everything.
You are talking about nerf but zoro had two swords and 2 vs 1 but no one gives a fuck. Hypocrite ? Yeah!

 

[Monkey D Theories]

a simple reason that proves that killer was nerfed. In the fight, Zoro only 1 shot Killer after gaining access to a third "sword" via stealing Killer's scythe. If Killer had been using his signature weapons from the start this would have never have happened.

This is not only because his mechanical blades would compensate for his lack of physical strength but also due to the simple fact that his blades are slashing weapons, whereas his scythes are stabbing weapons.

lets not forget that the blades are lighter and better equipped for dual weilding than bulky scythes.

The mechanical blades are simply a better fit for Killer. They are his signature weapons, something no other character in OP uses, and is something he has used the near entirety of his career as a pirate. If he was really a scythe user, he could have easily gotten his hands on a scythe sometime during his journey with Eustass Kid.

The fact of the matter is that the only time he used a scythe was when he was forced, possibly by being brainwashed via torture, to work for Orochi.

anyways, Killer> 2 sword zoro, however gets mid diffed by 3 sword zoro.

 

[Zenos7]

lets not forget that the blades are lighter and better equipped for dual weilding than bulky scythes.

what about the bulky blocks of metal where the sickles are placed? Are they together with the sickles still lighter than the scythes? And how do we even know?

 

[comrade]

In the fight, Zoro only 1 shot Killer after gaining access to a third "sword" via stealing Killer's scythe

Flexing his chest, ripping the scythe out of Killer's hand using his wound, which speaks for Zoro's power.

But I agree that Killer with his original weapons has the edge over Killer with scythes. But the difference isn't high. Of course Killer wouldn't use his main weapons when working as Kamazou in order to hide his identity. Especially for the audience which would instantly know it's Killer.