Questions & Mysteries Why was King not considered a swordsman?

#1
This has always been very odd to me. Kaku is a swordsman but King somehow isn’t? How about Cabaji who relied on “tricks” more than swordsmanship yet he was still a swordsman. What makes King any different from these two?
 
#3
his main fighting style isn't "swordmanship" , unlike kaku and cabaji

he's devil fruit user and he's from a special race who are known for having fire ability and insane durability

+ king never said he's not a Swordman it was zoro who made the assumption
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#4
This has always been very odd to me. Kaku is a swordsman but King somehow isn’t? How about Cabaji who relied on “tricks” more than swordsmanship yet he was still a swordsman. What makes King any different from these two?
King, imo, is New World's Daz Bones.



That is basically what King said as well.

"I never understood why anyone would stick to traditional styles or forms in real battle."

He uses swordmanship but he has lots of other techniques that he can use to dismantle Zoro with so he's not sticking to just one thing. Ironically, Daz & King were also not damageable by Zoro for a long while but after the Power Up, it was over in seconds.
 
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#5
King, imo, is New World's Daz Bones.



That is basically what King said as well.

"I never understood why anyone would stick to traditional styles or forms in real battle".

He uses swordmanship but he has lots of other techniques that he can use to dismantle Zoro with so he's not sticking to just one thing. Ironically, Daz & King were also not damageable by Zoro for a long while but after the Power Up, it was over in seconds.
Ok that makes sense, but that should apply to characters like Law and Big Mom then right? They have other ways to beat opponents without relying on swordsmanship
 
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This has always been very odd to me. Kaku is a swordsman but King somehow isn’t? How about Cabaji who relied on “tricks” more than swordsmanship yet he was still a swordsman. What makes King any different from these two?
You focus on the wrong swordsmen, those who fight for the pinnacle of swordsmanship only use Blades as weapons.. Nothing else than swords..
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#10
Ok that makes sense, but that should apply to characters like Law and Big Mom then right? They have other ways to beat opponents without relying on swordsmanship
Going by Daz and King's logic, no Big Mom and Law aren't nor were they ever referred to as swordsmen in any volumes or chapters.

But then there's Fujitora, who is considered one despite focusing everything on his gravity ability, not a single slash in sight. So I think it's more of a lifestyle/mentality/vibe deal. Way of the blade, swordsman code yada yada
 
#11
There is no set of rules. Zoro said, "I wont lose to anyone who calls himself a swordsman"
- meaning if someone doesn't claim to be a swordsman, then he is not a swordsman according to Zoro. Thats why Zoro told King, "I guess you have a point. You never claimed to be a swordsman"
So its upto Oda, he can classify anybody as a swordsman or a non-swordsman with a single panel anytime he wants.
 
#12
Going by Daz and King's logic, no Big Mom and Law aren't nor were they ever referred to as swordsmen in any volumes or chapters.

But then there's Fujitora, who is considered one despite focusing everything on his gravity ability, not a single slash in sight. So I think it's more of a lifestyle/mentality/vibe deal. Way of the blade, swordsman code yada yada
When was Fuji referred to as a swordsmen? Must be using a mis translation
 
#13
Going by Daz and King's logic, no Big Mom and Law aren't nor were they ever referred to as swordsmen in any volumes or chapters.

But then there's Fujitora, who is considered one despite focusing everything on his gravity ability, not a single slash in sight. So I think it's more of a lifestyle/mentality/vibe deal. Way of the blade, swordsman code yada yada
Law if I remember well gives a lesson to Tashigi when it how a swordman should be.
If he isn't one then this would be dumb.

If there was a far better way to mix his fighting style with the DF then he would have no picked a sword ... cursed one even , that as we learned in Wano only strong swordmans can tame.

BM do fits with Daz tho.
 
#14
Fuji is classified as a katana user

So yes you can be a user of the sword and not a swordsmen , brannew brought up shanks because he was the only other top tier swordsmen apart from mihawk, you think he wouldn’t mention fuji? Brannew a marine
 
#16
This has always been very odd to me. Kaku is a swordsman but King somehow isn’t? How about Cabaji who relied on “tricks” more than swordsmanship yet he was still a swordsman. What makes King any different from these two?
He adapts himself to his opponent. That's why zoro called him a killer machine/assassin.
He can burn, kick, punch, break his opponents weapons too + using his DF for speed, strenght. Also a lunarian so not worried to be cut so no need to specialise in one particular field.
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Ok that makes sense, but that should apply to characters like Law and Big Mom then right? They have other ways to beat opponents without relying on swordsmanship
Have you ever saw law using others things than his sword in battle ? Teleportation with his fingers is not a fighting style.
Law literally walk h24 with his sword lol
 
#19
From what was said, because he didn’t have a set school or style of fighting, plus his sword could transform. His named attacks didn’t really have anything to do with his sword, maybe that affected things.

Kaku used Yontoryuu, so even though that had non-swordsman attacks the style/school was enough.

Cabaji had his Acrobatics move which apparently counted. And no, I don’t think that’s consistent, but chances are Oda doesn’t even remember the Cabaji fight, so eh.

Fujitora’s fighting style is called Grav-blade so it should count.

Law actually talks about swordsman spirit, has a cursed blade which we found out this arc needs to be mastered by a swordsman to be used and would be next to useless in a fight without it, so he should count as well.

Big Mom knows how to use a sword, that’s for certain, but I think she would fall under the King category since she also uses her homies and punches too much.

But like I said, it’s not consistent. Zoro’s done things that shouldn’t count as swordsmanship. He also said in the chapter that was brought up that if he would do anything he could to win the fight as well. So is he disqualified then as well?
 
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