That's only true if the information is contradicting and there's nothing to contradict those two about being a swordsman. Remember, a lot of information is giving out in other sources for example, bounties.
To add to his Hawk Wave point, this is the DB entry of the ability:
Takanami :
- A technique that can defeat distant enemies with the wind pressure generated by two swords swung at high speed. A wavy shock wave attacks the enemy over a wide area. The power is a little inferior to the three-sword style technique, but it is enough to defeat an ordinary swordfighter.
Lmao if Usopp said "Damn, Roger sure was a great swordsman" in Manga, will you just ignore the entire thing of Oda making him say that and just call it a lie.
Oda is not making Usopp lie in Usopp Gallery. That's stupid.
Lmao if Usopp said "Damn, Roger sure was a great swordsman" in Manga, will you just ignore the entire thing of Oda making him say that and just call it a lie.
Oda is not making Usopp lie in Usopp Gallery. That's stupid.
This is a slashing technique, because Big Mom slashed:
Big Mom's Ikoku doesn't feel like a cutting technique (swordman ability) to me, but a shock wave that pulverizes everything that passes
Databook is not a good enough argument, shown several times wrong does not have enough credibility
But even if you count this technique as a cutting technique, it won't refute my argument at all. Incidentally, WB used his sword to cut BB. Big Mom used a swordsmanship skill to cut the Kid's mechanical bull. King used his swordplay skills to fight CQC against Zoro
The difference is: sword users like Big Mom, Whitebeard, King, Kizaru, Fujitora and etc, even if they have sword skills, they don't use cutting skills as the main weapon in their arsenal. So they don't meet the WSS criteria
Zoro using a technique other than slashing a few times doesn't affect the fact that his swordsmanship is his primary weapon.
Just like in the manga, it always exaggerates Mihawk's abilities as his swordsmanship skills.
The manga exaggerates Zoro's abilities being his swordsmanship skills.
Meanwhile, the manga exaggerates Shanks' abilities being his haki, not his swordsmanship
For example, which is more reasonable to think about Shanks' final attack?
Being a cutting attack capable of slashing an island?
Or an immense golden Nordic God created by your CoC?
I would say 100% for sure that the CoC skill is the most likely, and anyone who is unprejudiced and is mentally healthy should believe that too.
Ikoku Sovereignty. Canonically proven a swordsmanship attack yet does exact same shit as Roger's.
Gan Modoki. Literally showed you a panel of Oden using it and the people he uses it on are pushed away while they cough blood from mouth. No cuts on body.
Roger's attack literally looks like any other sword air attack, and behaves exactly the same way as two swordsmanship attacks. Thus, it is a fucking swordsmanship attack.
Again, you didn't even read shit. Chill the fuck out and please read what other people say before responding.
I was referring to explicit choice of showing Kamusari panel as reference while talking about how Roger's blade is one of top 12 graded swords in Vivre Card. Why show a panel for reference where the sword is barely visible and the attack has nothing to do with swordsmanship, according to you?
Did you just correlate Roger's technique with Big Mom's technique without using any arguments in favor of it, just making it up and saying they look like the same technique? Sometimes I skip this kind of argument because the lack of evidence is too shallow to make me argue against it.
Big Mom's Ikoku doesn't feel like a cutting technique (swordman ability) to me, but a shock wave that pulverizes everything that passes
Databook is not a good enough argument, shown several times wrong does not have enough credibility
The difference is: sword users like Big Mom, Whitebeard, King, Kizaru, Fujitora and etc, even if they have sword skills, they don't use cutting skills as the main weapon in their arsenal. So they don't meet the WSS criteria
I don't get your point at all.
Ikoku is CLEARLY NOT a cutting Technique but is a CONFIRMED Swordsmanship technique. So that 100% goes against your idea that only Cutting Techniques can be called Swordsmanship.
Same for Oden's Gan Modoki, it's literally called Oden Nitoryu: Gan Modoki and it's a Nitoryu Swordsmanship Technique which doesn't cut.
Same for Zoro's Hawk Wave, it's a Nitoryu technique and doesn't cut.
I showed you THREE examples of CONFIRMED Swordsmanship techniques which don't cut, therefore your argument that ONLY cutting Techniques come under Swordsmanship is false.
For example, which is more reasonable to think about Shanks' final attack?
Being a cutting attack capable of slashing an island?
Or an immense golden Nordic God created by your CoC?
Ill just point out one thing... what is Zoro's final attack?
A Demon God form which allows him to sprout 4 more arms & 2 more heads which Kaku termed as a "manifestation of your Fighting Spirit".
And that comes under Swordsmanship (9 Swords Style).
It is the Vivre Card which says so. Not the Databook & prove the Vivre Card wrong.
I don't get your point at all.
Ikoku is CLEARLY NOT a cutting Technique but is a CONFIRMED Swordsmanship technique. So that 100% goes against your idea that only Cutting Techniques can be called Swordsmanship.
Same for Oden's Gan Modoki, it's literally called Oden Nitoryu: Gan Modoki and it's a Nitoryu Swordsmanship Technique which doesn't cut.
Same for Zoro's Hawk Wave, it's a Nitoryu technique and doesn't cut.
I showed you THREE examples of CONFIRMED Swordsmanship techniques which don't cut, therefore your argument that ONLY cutting Techniques come under Swordsmanship is false.
When were these Oden and Zoro nitoryu techniques confirmed to be cutting techniques?
Nitoryu literally means 'two swords', the main key of my argument is that using swords is not necessarily going to use a cutting attack.
Ill just point out one thing... what is Zoro's final attack?
A Demon God form which allows him to sprout 4 more arms & 2 more heads which Kaku termed as a "manifestation of your Fighting Spirit".
And that comes under Swordsmanship (9 Swords Style).
When were these Oden and Zoro nitoryu techniques confirmed to be cutting techniques?
Nitoryu literally means 'two swords', the main key of my argument is that using swords is not necessarily going to use a cutting attack.
When were these Oden and Zoro nitoryu techniques confirmed to be cutting techniques?
Nitoryu literally means 'two swords', the main key of my argument is that using swords is not necessarily going to use a cutting attack.
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They are NOT cutting Techniques since we obviously see them not cut on panel.
Oden Nitoryu does not mean "Two Swords" it means "Two Sword Style", and is the exact same thing Oden says before he uses Paradise Totsuka and other Cutting Techniques.
Essentially I showed you 3 confirmed Swordsmanship Techniques which don't cut. So there is really no basis for your argument to be correct.
Ashura isn't a cutting technique, 9 Sword Style Silver Mist & Dead Man's Game are cutting Techniques. And I already proved that Swordsmanship is not limited to just cutting techniques.
Besides the point is that you saying that "creating some God form" is not Swordsmanship does not hold any weight because Zoro already creates a form and that comes under Swordsmanship.
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