Speculations Why wasn’t Doflamingo invited to the Holy Knights?

#41
Eh I kind of doubt it. There wouldn't really be a way to write it without him looking incompetent, and I doubt Oda wants that, since it's very clear that Shamrock and the others are considerably above Doffy.
No way to write them going after him without it being incredibly stupid.
I really, really doubt Gunko, but even the others, are above Doffy.
We saw how high Oda puts the Shichi and Dofla was always a top tier Schici.
 
#42
Eh I kind of doubt it. There wouldn't really be a way to write it without him looking incompetent, and I doubt Oda wants that, since it's very clear that Shamrock and the others are considerably above Doffy.
No way to write them going after him without it being incredibly stupid.
We can be charitable because Shamrock is a new character, but there's nothing he's done so far implying he's super competent.
1: He genuinely believed Loki would join the holy knights despite knowing the giants generally don't like the world government, and he's considered one of the worst pirates in the world, and this is after the warlord system
2. Despite the Fisher Tigers little bitch squads fandom hoping that Loki would be knocked out, they left him to remain as a witness to their entire conspiracy
3. Also left the guards in the capitol alive as witness
4. ignored the guards mentioning that he should be part of the Strawhat pirates
5. Asked for backup in his plan kidnapping giant children
6. lacks the medals that Saint Summers as
Also, he sat and watched as the celestial dragons were blackmailed and robbed is not an argument for his competence either
 
#43
Who's to say he wasn't, or that he met their criteria in the first place?

What benefits were there to adding Doflamingo? He's strong, but also untrustworthy and dangerous. Loki becoming a Knight would coincide with Elbaph joining the World Government. What was the benefit in adding Doflamingo to their ranks?
 
#44
I really, really doubt Gunko, but even the others, are above Doffy.
We saw how high Oda puts the Shichi and Dofla was always a top tier Schici.
At this point in the story if she's seriously below him then there's no point in her even being a character in the first place.
I mean the dude has extremely basic Haki feats, mid physicals, and even his fruit isn't that great in a fight.
If Gunk somehow manages to be decisively below him despite being a HK then that's just plain sad
We can be charitable because Shamrock is a new character, but there's nothing he's done so far implying he's super competent.
1: He genuinely believed Loki would join the holy knights despite knowing the giants generally don't like the world government, and he's considered one of the worst pirates in the world, and this is after the warlord system
2. Despite the Fisher Tigers little bitch squads fandom hoping that Loki would be knocked out, they left him to remain as a witness to their entire conspiracy
3. Also left the guards in the capitol alive as witness
4. ignored the guards mentioning that he should be part of the Strawhat pirates
5. Asked for backup in his plan kidnapping giant children
6. lacks the medals that Saint Summers as
Also, he sat and watched as the celestial dragons were blackmailed and robbed is not an argument for his competence either
I mean, true, but at the same time it's not that hard to kill one dude who at the time wasn't even YC3 level, even if he was tricky and had his crew with him
But then again it's the same manga where pre ts Luffy escaped 3 Admirals with only a scar somehow, so.. what ever
 
#45
At this point in the story if she's seriously below him then there's no point in her even being a character in the first place.
I mean the dude has extremely basic Haki feats, mid physicals, and even his fruit isn't that great in a fight.
If Gunk somehow manages to be decisively below him despite being a HK then that's just plain sad

I mean, true, but at the same time it's not that hard to kill one dude who at the time wasn't even YC3 level, even if he was tricky and had his crew with him
But then again it's the same manga where pre ts Luffy escaped 3 Admirals with only a scar somehow, so.. what ever
The Luffy who three admirals couldn't kill was ASMR diffed by monet
 
#47
At this point in the story if she's seriously below him then there's no point in her even being a character in the first place.
I mean the dude has extremely basic Haki feats, mid physicals, and even his fruit isn't that great in a fight.
If Gunk somehow manages to be decisively below him despite being a HK then that's just plain sad

I mean, true, but at the same time it's not that hard to kill one dude who at the time wasn't even YC3 level, even if he was tricky and had his crew with him
But then again it's the same manga where pre ts Luffy escaped 3 Admirals with only a scar somehow, so.. what ever
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#49
He's a weakling

Doffy is never asked to join warlord system or Knights because he's a weakling
That's why he had to blackmail his way into warlord system
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He joined as a warlord, so effectively it was the same thing. The order to kill Moriah was given by Gorosei.

But on paper, you have to be a Celestial Dragon. His family was kicked out.



You people are so fucking dumb lmfao. The Warlords were literally called to do battle with WBPs, a Yonko's crew.



The HKs will essentially do the exact same thing here. The Admirals were essentially supposed to be goalkeepers for Ace, but they strayed from their orders like Akainu mentioned.
And ?
He's a weakling
 
#50
He's a weakling

Doffy is never asked to join warlord system or Knights because he's a weakling
That's why he had to blackmail his way into warlord system
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And ?
He's a weakling
No,he had to blackmail his way into the warlord position because they were biased against him. Him blackmailing his way in Is a sign of strength. The celestial dragons could not get rid of him
 
#51
don't know but he will soon be released and send to negoiate with crocodile, to bring crossguild into the fold
Dawg what do you smoke can I please have some
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I really, really doubt Gunko, but even the others, are above Doffy.
We saw how high Oda puts the Shichi and Dofla was always a top tier Schici.
Yeah so high East Blue Luffy can beat them

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#52
His father left the CD status that’s why Doffy didn’t get invitation .

Even if he had got it I am pretty sure he would have rejected it . He had plans to remove Imu by Ope fruit doubt he would have joined .
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He’s going to be added to the Holy Knights. We now know they’re out recruiting and likely going to lose some manpower this arc.

I think the only reason they’ve been hesitant is because Doflamingo’s family insulted all the Tenryuubito by denouncing their godhood. I can imagine they want to punish this behavior as much as possible rather than reward it, even if Doflamingo had no control over that decision.
I think he will reject the Holy knight position outright . He wants Imu’s position which he failed when he failed to obtain Law’s fruit .
 
#55
They clearly didn't even try sending Lucci, their troubles would have been over unless Sugar got him.

Sugar is the real menace.

Even Lucci will perish.

Lucci was defeated by Luffy which barely controlled Gear 2 and Gear 3. And even if you consider pre time skip, Lucci never was a challenge for Gear 5, most probably neither for Gear 4.
 
#57
They clearly didn't even try sending Lucci, their troubles would have been over unless Sugar got him.

Sugar is the real menace.
Lucci was 16 when Doffy became a warlord
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These guys think a child doffy who escaped them means he was a top tier character since a child

Then ran away from Tsuru like a rat
Tsuru>The fisher tiger little bitch squad then
 
#58
Even Lucci will perish.

Lucci was defeated by Luffy which barely controlled Gear 2 and Gear 3. And even if you consider pre time skip, Lucci never was a challenge for Gear 5, most probably neither for Gear 4.
Lucci was 16 when Doffy became a warlord
Back then, sure, if Doflamingo was just as strong as he is now, he would have folded Lucci, but the WG wanted to kill Doflamingo all the way up to the present, meaning they didn't bother sending a strong CP0 member or a Holy Knight at all.

Egghead Lucci stomps Dressrosa Doflamingo. I won't elaborate on that on this thread.

Hell, even back then they had the choice of sending the marines before they granted him the Shichibukai title but they didn't bother with Garp or admirals.
 
#59
Back then, sure, if Doflamingo was just as strong as he is now, he would have folded Lucci, but the WG wanted to kill Doflamingo all the way up to the present, meaning they didn't bother sending a strong CP0 member or a Holy Knight at all.

Egghead Lucci stomps Dressrosa Doflamingo. I won't elaborate on that on this thread.

Hell, even back then they had the choice of sending the marines before they granted him the Shichibukai title but they didn't bother with Garp or admirals.
All that was said was that the Celestial dragons themselves couldn't kill him. That doesn't mean they can trust a commoner to kill him, who may expose their secrets. You think they would want Garp around a pissed off Doflamingo who can reveal everything?
 
#60
All that was said was that the Celestial dragons themselves couldn't kill him. That doesn't mean they can trust a commoner to kill him, who may expose their secrets. You think they would want Garp around a pissed off Doflamingo who can reveal everything?
There's a dissonance there for me and it's Oda's fault.

On one hand, logically, I could agree with what you've said, although that would explain the non-interference of the marines, not of the Holy Knights or CP0. I can see Doflamingo folding the weaker agents, but there were some actually strong ones in there even without Lucci and Kaku, and they can act all together as an assassination unit like they're supposed to be.

On the other hand, we have that Garp and even random marine fodders know about stuff like the tenryubito rabbit hunts and they do nothing about it. They just keep enforcing the WG rule. Based on their story merits they appear like a safe bet to capture Doflamingo and stay loyal about it.

I do think there's something big missing from Doflamingo's backstory. What does he know that people that can stroll down Mariejoa like admirals and common human royalty don't know about, and how? He was a kid, and common tenryubito know nothing of Imu or of the things Vegapunk exposed.
 
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