General & Others Why were the yonkos(BM and Kaido) disappointing

[MonsterKaido]

Curiel says hi

Fraud bloodlusted lengoku couldn't kill 1% HP pre skip luffy or ace. Let that sink in lol

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Big Mom was trash but Kaido delivered strength wise. The strongest character introduced so far.
And if flashbacks determined the relevance of a good character then Crocodile or Lucci would be trash yet they are appreciated in OP community.
And only a fool expects long flashbacks for the next villains not called Blackbeard. Admirals won't have any flashback, no need for it, they have no ambition, they just follow orders

 

[Saint Figarland Garling]

Fraud bloodlusted lengoku couldn't kill 1% HP pre skip luffy or ace. Let that sink in lol

"Bloodlusted"
No haki
No shockwaves

But even so he deflated Luffy taking him out of his gear 3 and drew blood from him without haki lol

Bloodlusted crydo in the murderous hybrid form with ACoC couldn't do shit to Guernica who stood still as a statue to be hit

 

[Leggendofkirk]

My answer is BAD writing
Kaido went from "don't know how luffy can defeat kaido, it wont be just some punch" to kaido being defeated by a guy who had trouble beating YC with a big punch

Big mom went for intelligence collecting master mind mafia don type to a buffon who get rolled around by niko robin.


But maybe i guess unlike shanks who although was in one of the strongest pirate crew when he was a kid. He did not have super human strength like kaido and big mom when they were kids.

Thats why he has possibly the strongest haki in OP right now. Like luffy he had to progress without a DF his haki became monsterous.
He use to go 1vs1 with the strongest swordsman so unlike kaido and BM he developed fighting technics. How many moves did kaido have in his fight with lufy? It was always that dumb club and dragon form. I expected him to go awaken and the two tear up the sky with their final attacks!!!

So maybe kaido and big mom didnt have to improve of their strenght like luffy, zoro, shanks and maybe even roger. Thats why they never went beyond yonko status. Think of it like how in DB freeza was born with a huge potential but never puts any effort to get stronger like goku

Because they have been overhyped by the fodders

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Kaido and Big Mom obviously fulfilled strength roles as being the strongest. Antagonists wise? Probably not so much.

 

[MonsterKaido]

"Bloodlusted"
No haki
No shockwaves

But even so he deflated Luffy taking him out of his gear 3 and drew blood from him without haki lol

Bloodlusted crydo in the murderous hybrid form with ACoC couldn't do shit to Guernica who stood still as a statue to be hit

Fraud lengoku can't kill a dead pre skip fodder :holdthisl:

 

[PeperLevi]

It is so much stupidity to be satisfied with Fraudo being only a living benchmark for Condom-Boy.
A villain who only exist for be a living benchmark for the hero is not a true villain, and no one should be satisfied with it.
Henry Creel from Stranger Things accomplished plenty of things as a villain since the first season,and without even reveal himself. The flashbacks explaning his origins and schemes in season 4 are pure gold,like Shit Piece could never do.
@Franosuke @RayanOO @Rivaille @PurpleSwordsman @Onepiecedying @lee33 @Pooth @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @centurion @Mr. Reloaded @Gol D. Roger @Boiroy @SakazOuki @roronoa_fan

 

[Roo]

Kaido lived up to the hype in terms of strength, but his character had very little depth.

BM on the other hand was the opposite, we barely saw her do things in Onigashima so she looks really lacking for a character that is supposedly Kaido's near equal.


The best fix would've been more panels for Kaido's backstory, and more panels for Kid and Law vs BM

 

[Water1415]

Fraud Kaido

 

[Buusatan94]

The writing of both Kaido and Big Mom was shit in opposite ways, Big Mom had an interesting backstory and personality but was handicaped as hell when it comes to battles while Kaido was allowed to shine in battle far more but his personality, backstory and dynamics with his crew were strongly lacking or neglected.

 

[GodofDarkness]

Bad defense.

First of all any time you compare DBZ(not DBS) with One Piece you have to be sure that you putting DBZ in a whole level that One Piece can never reach.

Freeza being born with a huge potential and never training was DBS piece of shit material. So we don't have that information during his Saga.

Goku trained like hell all his life and not different in this saga. Okay similar to Luffy. But unlike Luffy he wasn't one-shotted or any similar shit putting a gap so big between him and main villain that spectators wouldn't buy your plot progression for Goku to came out victorious.

He was fighting somewhat equally with Freeza. And we had the whole Super Sayan build up that Freeza was afraid of.

And that is the word. BUILD UP. Not only foreshadowed that Oda didn't even bothered to do because he never thought of it before. Goku turning into Super Sayan was BUILT UP in that saga.

Also we don't have Goku losing multiple times and coming back because... because he has to come back. Even knowing that DBZ World has something called Senzu Beans that would allow him to do that.

And if you want to compare Kaido with some villain of DBZ I guess would be better to compare him with Buu. Buu is he villain that they couldn't defeat solo in any form. Even SSJ3 Goku we can't say for sure that he could defeat Buu. Buu the strongest villain needed to fight almost the whole Z fighters we know. They had to work together to defeat him, specially at the end.

And Kaido? The strongest villain Luffy ever faced(after Kizaru) was defeated in a 1v1 boring fight with max level of plot armor and retcon.

Both Kaido and the Gorosei are stronger than fucking Kizaru lol.