Questions & Mysteries Why Yonkou weapons are superior to Mihawk's weapon

[Inspector_Mu]

how is saying wb durability not being the best relate to
"I can do the same for WSS, take his sword and let him face any attacks for any top tiers!"
his df does not make his physical body a tank and neither does mihawk's blade.
Even roger died from a regular stab from fodder marines because he is human. what marco commented on was wb not being able to avoid squardo's attack before it happened. essentially he was saying his battle senses have dulled. wb could tell when ace was about to attack him in his sleep but couldnt avoid squardo fully conscious.
not only squardo, fodder marines were able to dig their blades and wound wb . wouldnt be the case for kaido or big mom who have tougher exteriors but it does not mean those 2 are stronger than wb. It does however imply they are more durable.

Post automatically merged: Oct 22, 2019

old wb was still the top of the group
so much so when he died a new era of some sorts actually began.
garp called him king of the seas.
big mom implies he was a cut above the rest .
in his prime he was on par with roger.

Old sick wb wasnt top of the group lol
Sengoku Garp were stuck in nostalgia of prime wb

Maybe old wb was still WSM but the wb we saw wasnt even above Current Teach

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Old sick wb wasnt top of the group lol
Sengoku Garp were stuck in nostalgia of prime wb

Maybe old wb was still WSM but the wb we saw wasnt even above Current Teach

I am not going to trust your headcanon over what I am told in the story itself.

Post automatically merged: Oct 22, 2019

I admit Yoru plays an important role in Mihawk's strenght but I wonder if his title still stood in the case scenario he had a normal sword and my answer is yeah :cheers:

he prob made it black as well

 

[Finalbeta]

I am not going to trust your headcanon over what I am told in the story itself.

Post automatically merged: Oct 22, 2019

he prob made it black as well

I think so too

 

[Zenos7]

how is saying wb durability not being the best relate to
"I can do the same for WSS, take his sword and let him face any attacks for any top tiers!"
his df does not make his physical body a tank and neither does mihawk's blade.
Even roger died from a regular stab from fodder marines because he is human. what marco commented on was wb not being able to avoid squardo's attack before it happened. essentially he was saying his battle senses have dulled. wb could tell when ace was about to attack him in his sleep but couldnt avoid squardo fully conscious.
not only squardo, fodder marines were able to dig their blades and wound wb . wouldnt be the case for kaido or big mom who have tougher exteriors but it does not mean those 2 are stronger than wb. It does however imply they are more durable.

Post automatically merged: Oct 22, 2019

old wb was still the top of the group
so much so when he died a new era of some sorts actually began.
garp called him king of the seas.
big mom implies he was a cut above the rest .
in his prime he was on par with roger.

doffy said wb bowed before rogers throne without approaching it himself

 

[Zenos7]

IIRC it was "ruled".

Spoiler

 

[Finalbeta]

Always wondered if this thread was just bait

 

[OEKaneki]

Kinda feel like the title of the thread defeats the thread. The Yonko’s weapons are superior to Mihawk’s blade because they’re held by Yonko and the Yonko are stronger anyway lol.

The only question I have about the blade, and I brought it up when that chapter was first released, is what happens to a blade that is naturally a supreme blade before turning black, and then turns black. Those blades would obviously be superior to a black blade that was made a supreme graded blade because it turned black.

 

[ZoroGang]

Kinda feel like the title of the thread defeats the thread. The Yonko’s weapons are superior to Mihawk’s blade because they’re held by Yonko and the Yonko are stronger anyway lol.

The only question I have about the blade, and I brought it up when that chapter was first released, is what happens to a blade that is naturally a supreme blade before turning black, and then turns black. Those blades would obviously be superior to a black blade that was made a supreme graded blade because it turned black.

The yonkos are not superior to Mihawk . Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so that’s 1 yonko he’s on top of. Oden a weaker swordsman cut kaido Mihawk could do better . Big mom is a swordsman as well

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Kinda feel like the title of the thread defeats the thread. The Yonko’s weapons are superior to Mihawk’s blade because they’re held by Yonko and the Yonko are stronger anyway lol.

The only question I have about the blade, and I brought it up when that chapter was first released, is what happens to a blade that is naturally a supreme blade before turning black, and then turns black. Those blades would obviously be superior to a black blade that was made a supreme graded blade because it turned black.

its in a class of its own but its still a supreme blade
aka one of the top 12. In regards to the thread tho
1. if mihawk's blade was not supreme and he turned it black then its still on par with the weapon of wb because they now have the same rank. wb didnt turn his black and neither have any of the yonko
2. if mihawk had a supreme blade and turned it black, then its the strongest blade in the world which he himself seems to suggest.
In all cases , no one has a superior blade to mihawk.

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The yonkos are not superior to Mihawk . Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so that’s 1 yonko he’s on top of. Oden a weaker swordsman cut kaido Mihawk could do better . Big mom is a swordsman as well

I wouldnt bother with this one if I were you.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Old sick wb wasnt top of the group lol
Sengoku Garp were stuck in nostalgia of prime wb

Maybe old wb was still WSM but the wb we saw wasnt even above Current Teach

Gurararararara
I'd hate to see you die Kozo!

 

[Finalbeta]

The yonkos are not superior to Mihawk . Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so that’s 1 yonko he’s on top of. Oden a weaker swordsman cut kaido Mihawk could do better . Big mom is a swordsman as well

After all Mihawk himself is above a yonko

 

[Zenos7]

Kinda feel like the title of the thread defeats the thread. The Yonko’s weapons are superior to Mihawk’s blade because they’re held by Yonko and the Yonko are stronger anyway lol.

The only question I have about the blade, and I brought it up when that chapter was first released, is what happens to a blade that is naturally a supreme blade before turning black, and then turns black. Those blades would obviously be superior to a black blade that was made a supreme graded blade because it turned black.

a weapon doesnt magically become better if wielded by a strong person lol.

 

[OEKaneki]

The yonkos are not superior to Mihawk . Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so that’s 1 yonko he’s on top of. Oden a weaker swordsman cut kaido Mihawk could do better . Big mom is a swordsman as well

Lol yes they are. They’re all above him.

a weapon doesnt magically become better if wielded by a strong person lol.

So Enma would be the same if held by someone who couldn’t handle its draw on haki as opposed to someone that could, given that we know the way it turns black is by absorbing that haki?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Lol yes they are. They’re all above him.

So Enma would be the same if held by someone who couldn’t handle its draw on haki as opposed to someone that could, given that we know the way it turns black is by absorbing that haki?

enma would be the same
the damage output depending on the user would be different .
the weapon itself isnt stronger. said person could just do more with the weapon than another person can.
enma doesnt become a sharper /strongerblade because it is held by a stronger person that is until they have turned it permanently black which none of the yonko have done anyway.
turning it permanently black is something that stays even when the current user has parted with the blade. hence the blade is stronger.
mihawk for example could do more with enma than zoro
doesnt mean enma is a stronger blade.
Now if it is made a permanent black blade, then the sword raises its rank.

 

[OEKaneki]

enma would be the same
the damage output depending on the user would be different .
the weapon itself isnt stronger. said person could just do more with the weapon than another person can.
enma doesnt become a sharper /strongerblade because it is held by a stronger person that is until they have turned it permanently black which none of the yonko have done anyway.
turning it permanently black is something that stays even when the current user has parted with the blade. hence the blade is stronger.

If the weapon wasn’t stronger, there wouldn’t be any purpose to the idea that it could raise grades. Any one of Zoro’s blades is stronger in Mihawk’s hands simply because he’s the one holding it and is augmenting the strength of the blade.

That aside, you’re looking way to much into a tongue in cheek comment, the only purpose of which was to say that Mihawk isn’t as strong as the Yonko.

 

[ZoroGang]

If the weapon wasn’t stronger, there wouldn’t be any purpose to the idea that it could raise grades. Any one of Zoro’s blades is stronger in Mihawk’s hands simply because he’s the one holding it and is augmenting the strength of the blade.

That aside, you’re looking way to much into a tongue in cheek comment, the only purpose of which was to say that Mihawk isn’t as strong as the Yonko.

How is shanks a swordsman stronger then the Worlds Strongest swordsman? Answer that

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

If the weapon wasn’t stronger, there wouldn’t be any purpose to the idea that it could raise grades. Any one of Zoro’s blades is stronger in Mihawk’s hands simply because he’s the one holding it and is augmenting the strength of the blade.

That aside, you’re looking way to much into a tongue in cheek comment, the only purpose of which was to say that Mihawk isn’t as strong as the Yonko.

which isnt the point of the thread

if mihawk is the one augmenting the strength of the blade , then the blade still isnt a superior weapon. The weilder is just strong
it becomes a superior weapon when the user alters it permanently. shit isnt hard.

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shanks blade too stronger than mihawk's yoru because he is a yonko
not the fact that mihawk blade is supreme and black
no that means nothing at all
:yasu:
"but swordsmanship isnt his main fighting style
he is a hakiman "
:yasu:

 

[PuckTheGreat]

This is an inconsistency Oda has to fix imo. According to Hitetsu, a blades rank goes up when it turns black, so it doesn’t make sense for ‘yoru’ to remain a supreme grade if it was originally a supreme grade to begin with.

So it has to be either one of the two imo:
1. Yoru was originally a class below supreme and then it went up in rank after becoming a black blade
2. Yoru was originally a supreme blade and it becoming a black blade raised its rank to one even higher than supreme class (I.e. said rank is still yet to be introduced into the story).

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Lmfao what even is this argument about the wielder making a weapon better? Luffy > Zoro but Nidai Kitetsu is absolutely not better if wielded by Luffy. If Kaido took up Yoru, would he magically make it stronger? Makes absolutely no fucking sense lmaoo

This is an inconsistency Oda has to fix imo. According to Kitetsu, a blades rank goes up when it turns black, so it doesn’t make sense for ‘yoru’ to remain a supreme grade if it was originally a supreme grade to begin with.

I don’t think it’s an inconsistency. There’s no grade above Saijo O Wazamono. If one of the 12 gets upgraded to a black blade, say Shodai Kitetsu, it remains the same grade, just better. Enma is probably just at the top end of its grade and turning it black could improve it as a weapon.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Lmfao what even is this argument about the wielder making a weapon better? Luffy > Zoro but Nidai Kitetsu is absolutely not better if wielded by Luffy. If Kaido took up Yoru, would he magically make it stronger? Makes absolutely no fucking sense lmaoo



I don’t think it’s an inconsistency. There’s no grade above Saijo O Wazamono. If one of the 12 gets upgraded to a black blade, say Shodai Kitetsu, it remains the same grade, just better. Enma is probably just at the top end of its grade and turning it black could improve it as a weapon.

I disagree😓. For your logic to work you have to assume that Enma is at the top of its grade thus it’s ascension in rank when it becomes a black blade as if that weren’t the case, Enma would remain its in current class & just be better than the rest. Also if any of Zoro’s other swords become black, we’d have to assume they were always top of their rank thus the ascension in rank. So imo its simpler to just assume a blade goes up in rank when it becomes black. As such, Yoru should to, if it was indeed originally a supreme blade as becoming a black blade makes it incomparable to any blade in its class.