Questions & Mysteries Why Yonkou weapons are superior to Mihawk's weapon

[ZoroGang]

I disagree😓. For your logic to work you have to assume that Enma is at the top of its grade thus it’s ascension in rank when it becomes a black blade as if that weren’t the case, Enma would remain its in current class & just be better than the rest. Also if any of Zoro’s other swords become black, we’d have to assume they were always top of their rank thus the ascension in rank. So imo its simpler to just assume a blade goes up in rank when it becomes black. As such, Yoru should to, if it was indeed originally a supreme blade as becoming a black blade makes it incomparable to any blade in its class.

You’re saying a whole lot of nonsense it’s not rocket science . A black blade is a upgrade to a regular metio but it doesn’t raise its rank just its value.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I disagree😓. For your logic to work you have to assume that Enma is at the top of its grade thus it’s ascension in rank when it becomes a black blade as if that weren’t the case, Enma would remain its in current class & just be better than the rest. Also if any of Zoro’s other swords become black, we’d have to assume they were always top of their rank thus the ascension in rank. So imo its simpler to just assume a blade goes up in rank when it becomes black. As such, Yoru should to, if it was indeed originally a supreme blade as becoming a black blade makes it incomparable to any blade in its class.

Mihawk does seem to suggest that
he calls it the strongest sword in the world.

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You’re saying a whole lot of nonsense it’s not rocket science . A black blade is a upgrade to a regular metio but it doesn’t raise its rank just its value.

it may raise its rank was stated for enma

 

[Zenos7]

So Enma would be the same if held by someone who couldn’t handle its draw on haki as opposed to someone that could, given that we know the way it turns black is by absorbing that haki?

This is extremely irrelevant to the thread. This is about comparing the weapons itself.

And yeah, enma is still basically the same weapon. Enma doesnt become "better" just because someone can actually handle it.

You were actually suggesting that since yonko are stronger the weapons they wield are better than other peoples weapons.

If the weapon wasn’t stronger, there wouldn’t be any purpose to the idea that it could raise grades. Any one of Zoro’s blades is stronger in Mihawk’s hands simply because he’s the one holding it and is augmenting the strength of the blade.

That aside, you’re looking way to much into a tongue in cheek comment, the only purpose of which was to say that Mihawk isn’t as strong as the Yonko.

No, the weapon is still the same, mihawk being better at using it doesnt change the quality of the weapon in any way.

 

[OEKaneki]

which isnt the point of the thread

if mihawk is the one augmenting the strength of the blade , then the blade still isnt a superior weapon. The weilder is just strong
it becomes a superior weapon when the user alters it permanently. shit isnt hard.
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shanks blade too stronger than mihawk's yoru because he is a yonko
not the fact that mihawk blade is supreme and black
no that means nothing at all
:yasu:
"but swordsmanship isnt his main fighting style
he is a hakiman "
:yasu:

It actually is part of the point of the thread, given that, again, the blade itself changes based on the user. You said the same thing I did. It becomes a superior weapon in Mihawk’s hands because Mihawk, unlike Zoro, possesses the ability to alter it permanently.

This is extremely irrelevant to the thread. This is about comparing the weapons itself.

And yeah, enma is still basically the same weapon. Enma doesnt become a "better" just because someone can actually handle it.

You were actually suggesting that since yonko are stronger the weapons they wield are better than other peoples weapons.

It’s actually not extremely irrelevant to the thread, given that the weapon itself changes based on the user, ie someone who has turned a blade black permanently, like Mihawk, and one who has not.

I was actually, as stated the first time, making a tongue in cheek comment about the Yonko being stronger. That’s it.

No, the weapon is still the same, mihawk being better at using it doesnt change the quality of the weapon in any way.

It’s actually not given that we have verbatim confirmation that the grade of a blade changes if it’s made to be permanently black, which would mean that Zoro’s swords would be themselves stronger in Mihawk’s hand because he, we can assume, possesses the ability to turn them black, while Zoro does not. So yes, Mihawk using them would make them superior in his hands quality-wise than they would be with Zoro.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

It actually is part of the point of the thread, given that, again, the blade itself changes based on the user. You said the same thing I did. It becomes a superior weapon in Mihawk’s hands because Mihawk, unlike Zoro, possesses the ability to alter it permanently.

It’s actually not extremely irrelevant to the thread, given that the weapon itself changes based on the user, ie someone who has turned a blade black permanently, like Mihawk, and one who has not.

I was actually, as stated the first time, making a tongue in cheek comment about the Yonko being stronger. That’s it.

It’s actually not given that we have verbatim confirmation that the grade of a blade changes if it’s made to be permanently black, which would mean that Zoro’s swords would be themselves stronger in Mihawk’s hand because he, we can assume, possesses the ability to turn them black, while Zoro does not. So yes, Mihawk using them would make them superior in his hands quality-wise than they would be with Zoro.

I dont think you understood what I posted. The blade will do more in the hands of mihawk than zoro .
The blade itself is not sharper/better because mihawk uses it until it becomes a black blade. when it does become a black blade then its at that point the weapon is stronger. Till that point, it remains the same rank.
Keyword "until." However none of the yonko's have permanently altered their weapons .
meaning just because shanks uses gryphon, as long as the blade has not been altered permamnently, it retains the same rank it was when shanks received it.. The only confirmed way for a blade to be "stronger/rise in rank" is for it to be a black blade.

since thats the case the thread poster is off on two cases
1. if yoru was not a supreme blade and was forged to be one because it became black , then yoru is now in the same rank as other supreme grade weapons since there is no yonko with a black blade.
2. if yoru was a supreme blade and mihawk turned it black, then yoru is the strongest blade in the world which mihawk does confirm .
in both cases yoru is either equivalent to the best blades in the world or superior not any less .
Essentially whitebeard bisento is a supreme grade and so is mihawk's but mihawk's isnt just a suprme grade blade, its also a black blade. They are comparing the weapons here. The rank in the weapon does not rise until it is permanently altered.

zoro uses the sandai kitetsu for example and does more with it for a sword that has no grade. However just because zoro uses it and zoro is stronger than tashigi does not mean the sandai kitesu is a superior blade on its own to her shigure which has a higher rank. In fact you could say zoro would do more with the shigure than the Sandai.if zoro makes it black , then its at that point he has permanently change the state of the blade no matter who wields it, hence raising the rank.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Gurararararara
I'd hate to see you die Kozo!

Teach did what old sick wb did just stter eating the fruit

Even When bouhtyes were revealed, they keep stating how teach is took wb spot

Old wb was not stronger than any emperor
Equal to pre ts shanks through their clash that showed their level.

Emperors > Current Teach >= pre ts Shanks>~ Old wb we saw
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Anyway
Yoru has always been supreme blade

WB blade isn't black yet supreme grade

 

[Zenos7]

It actually is part of the point of the thread, given that, again, the blade itself changes based on the user. You said the same thing I did. It becomes a superior weapon in Mihawk’s hands because Mihawk, unlike Zoro, possesses the ability to alter it permanently.

It’s actually not extremely irrelevant to the thread, given that the weapon itself changes based on the user, ie someone who has turned a blade black permanently, like Mihawk, and one who has not.

I was actually, as stated the first time, making a tongue in cheek comment about the Yonko being stronger. That’s it.

It’s actually not given that we have verbatim confirmation that the grade of a blade changes if it’s made to be permanently black, which would mean that Zoro’s swords would be themselves stronger in Mihawk’s hand because he, we can assume, possesses the ability to turn them black, while Zoro does not. So yes, Mihawk using them would make them superior in his hands quality-wise than they would be with Zoro.

turning a blade black doesnt happen magically just because a strong person wields it.

so yeah, the weapon doesnt just change

you seem to have missed the point entirely