Future Events Why Zkk Is Still on Track!!!
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i have some issues with your thoughts here.
1- Zoro confirmed he is going to cut Kaido to pieces he failed to do that. Him saying that he at least hoped if he knocked Kaido off his feet is not a goal but he just acknowledged his failure due to his state at that time.
2- Even if Luffy killed off Kaido himself. The supposed death here isn't what Kaido wants. Even if ZKK for that matter the death that will occur here isn't what Kaido wishes and for all of anti ZKK if it happened it would have been shameful for Kaido anyways.
--- What Roger did was after he discovered something and achieved his goal he went out in a cool way and starting the Golden Pirate Era because people wants to know what Roger did.
--- What WB did was going against the Powerful and Strongest Force in the world and managing to cause the world to react and assemble against his armada of pirates and the whole world broadcasted his invasion and even after his loss he managed to cause destruction and even if he ultimately failed to beat at least 1 admiral he made up for it by standing against this enormous force and finally stated that what Roger did is real which further causing a massive rush of Pirates.
--- What happened here in Wano is and was never going to be the death Kaido wanted. Because what happened here is a measly group of strong upstart with 5k Samurai invaded and defeated the supposed strongest army in the world "said by Kaido" which resulted in him losing face of his army and of course his defeat alongside his ally another Emperor. So if he died to Luffy or ZKK in the end he never changed anything since what changed it is the new force that appeared here aka Luffy.
3- Kaido's death wish is causing the "world" war that WB talked about and then dying as the one who caused a huge change no one has ever done in centuries. Now its Luffy whos going to do that not him.
4- Now back to ZKK.. The story now makes no sense for that to happen since there is "a tiny bit of wano left" for an impact of ZKK to even matter we don't only need Kaido back he needs to do harm a massive one that the stakes are high enough for another Hero to emerge. Since Nika Joy Boy is now being talked about in Wano and compared to Ryuma the citizens scabbards and even momonosuke won't think of anyone else but Luffy as the one to bring Kaido down again.
--- Ryuma's legend of fending off the outside world nobles the marines are now being taken by Yamato and Momo.
--- Ryuma's legend of slaying beating a Dragon has been taken by JoyBoy.
Finally the story of Zoro was stopped ever since he dropped off from the roof and was never hinted at being picked up again. Oda made it so vague and just like that it stopped there is no indication of its happening now. Why did he make Zoro go unnoticed by Wano is weird and i am still trying to figure it out.
1- Zoro confirmed he is going to cut Kaido to pieces he failed to do that. Him saying that he at least hoped if he knocked Kaido off his feet is not a goal but he just acknowledged his failure due to his state at that time.
2- Even if Luffy killed off Kaido himself. The supposed death here isn't what Kaido wants. Even if ZKK for that matter the death that will occur here isn't what Kaido wishes and for all of anti ZKK if it happened it would have been shameful for Kaido anyways.
--- What Roger did was after he discovered something and achieved his goal he went out in a cool way and starting the Golden Pirate Era because people wants to know what Roger did.
--- What WB did was going against the Powerful and Strongest Force in the world and managing to cause the world to react and assemble against his armada of pirates and the whole world broadcasted his invasion and even after his loss he managed to cause destruction and even if he ultimately failed to beat at least 1 admiral he made up for it by standing against this enormous force and finally stated that what Roger did is real which further causing a massive rush of Pirates.
--- What happened here in Wano is and was never going to be the death Kaido wanted. Because what happened here is a measly group of strong upstart with 5k Samurai invaded and defeated the supposed strongest army in the world "said by Kaido" which resulted in him losing face of his army and of course his defeat alongside his ally another Emperor. So if he died to Luffy or ZKK in the end he never changed anything since what changed it is the new force that appeared here aka Luffy.
3- Kaido's death wish is causing the "world" war that WB talked about and then dying as the one who caused a huge change no one has ever done in centuries. Now its Luffy whos going to do that not him.
4- Now back to ZKK.. The story now makes no sense for that to happen since there is "a tiny bit of wano left" for an impact of ZKK to even matter we don't only need Kaido back he needs to do harm a massive one that the stakes are high enough for another Hero to emerge. Since Nika Joy Boy is now being talked about in Wano and compared to Ryuma the citizens scabbards and even momonosuke won't think of anyone else but Luffy as the one to bring Kaido down again.
--- Ryuma's legend of fending off the outside world nobles the marines are now being taken by Yamato and Momo.
--- Ryuma's legend of slaying beating a Dragon has been taken by JoyBoy.
Finally the story of Zoro was stopped ever since he dropped off from the roof and was never hinted at being picked up again. Oda made it so vague and just like that it stopped there is no indication of its happening now. Why did he make Zoro go unnoticed by Wano is weird and i am still trying to figure it out.
But it was zoro who was paralleled to ryuma first lol that has to have pay off.. also im not sure how to post pics but the awakening confirmation of having a striking new form which kaido never showed is in the road to laughtale volume 3
1. yea i agree but at the same time we see in story he gave up on the goal he never once mentioned kaido after that he completely left it up to luffy...zoro failed then but he can still have payoff later when kaido returns
2. and 3. well said but what do you think about him finding that monsterous samurai that he wanted didnt he say vs the scabbards that he could of let them do it and he would be satisfied or am i a bit confused??? Kaidos death could still be important but more so for zoros legacy and i would also include luffy
4.Awakening more than anything is my thing here ultimately , and i feel like luffy and zoro will be involved in the slaying unless bm returns too then idk...as far as why oda left zoro alone about the matter after the roof i chalk it up to trusting his captain...only once kaido returns will oda reconfirm zoros importance and drive to (cut kaido to pieces)
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1. yea i agree but at the same time we see in story he gave up on the goal he never once mentioned kaido after that he completely left it up to luffy...zoro failed then but he can still have payoff later when kaido returns
2. and 3. well said but what do you think about him finding that monsterous samurai that he wanted didnt he say vs the scabbards that he could of let them do it and he would be satisfied or am i a bit confused??? Kaidos death could still be important but more so for zoros legacy and i would also include luffy
4.Awakening more than anything is my thing here ultimately , and i feel like luffy and zoro will be involved in the slaying unless bm returns too then idk...as far as why oda left zoro alone about the matter after the roof i chalk it up to trusting his captain...only once kaido returns will oda reconfirm zoros importance and drive to (cut kaido to pieces)
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For a payoff to happen for that setup it should have happened during the raid. Or if something happened during the raid there should be something leading up to it. But after the raid ended the plot itself was never been touched upon. So in order for that to happen Oda has to do something in order to make this plot have meaning and weight. I don't know this is my opinion.
The way Oda handled this situation is exactly like every other arc. The big villain makes fun of the residents and insults them they strike at the villain but fail then Luffy comes beat the villain and reset the country.
Wano added a new flavor to this formula with Kaido which is why many thought Wano could be different with how everything was setup for Zoro since he is an outsider who is supposed to be a member of a clan from Wano.
But in the end even if his setup was bigger than any previous characters in previous arcs (Wyper vs Enel - Kyros vs Doffy etc etc) in the end he was treated the same way.
-Wyper failed to relight the light of Shandora = Luffy did it for them.
-Kyros failed to retake Dressrosa from Doffy = Luffy did it for them.
-Fukaboshi failed to stop Hordy and pave the way for the sun = Luffy did it for them
-Zoro failed to cut Kaido and avenge Wano = Luffy did it for him
-Kinemon failed to behead Kaido and open the border = Luffy did it for them
etc etc
It just feel this way for me. Now that Momo and Yamato are standing against the outside world "Admiral" not as a Sword user but as a Kaido's son and a Dragon. I think Oda chose this path instead of making Zoro known in Wano. His fight with King is a clear evidence that Oda doesn't want anyone from Wano to notice Zoro. I could be wrong who knows.
Awakening is a great point if it happens but what of the impact? the weight behind Kaido's return? Is there even a time to create a scene where Kaido is threatening? Wouldn't Luffy take it upon himself again?
The most important part is the awakening is supposed to be in a Hybrid form. Isn't the whole idea of ZKK is slaying a Dragon?
If you reread Wano you will notice that Oda somehow told us that Zoro could have done it too in 2 scenes:-
1- Dragon Blaze
2- Cutting the Magma Dragon that King made.
Now there is 1 tiny detail here that could support ZKK IF Kaido returns that is. The fact that no one in Wano knows whos this Joy Boy who saved them from Kaido. The hero of Wano is unknown to them.
But meh...i don't know what to say... we have to wait and see.
The way Oda handled this situation is exactly like every other arc. The big villain makes fun of the residents and insults them they strike at the villain but fail then Luffy comes beat the villain and reset the country.
Wano added a new flavor to this formula with Kaido which is why many thought Wano could be different with how everything was setup for Zoro since he is an outsider who is supposed to be a member of a clan from Wano.
But in the end even if his setup was bigger than any previous characters in previous arcs (Wyper vs Enel - Kyros vs Doffy etc etc) in the end he was treated the same way.
-Wyper failed to relight the light of Shandora = Luffy did it for them.
-Kyros failed to retake Dressrosa from Doffy = Luffy did it for them.
-Fukaboshi failed to stop Hordy and pave the way for the sun = Luffy did it for them
-Zoro failed to cut Kaido and avenge Wano = Luffy did it for him
-Kinemon failed to behead Kaido and open the border = Luffy did it for them
etc etc
It just feel this way for me. Now that Momo and Yamato are standing against the outside world "Admiral" not as a Sword user but as a Kaido's son and a Dragon. I think Oda chose this path instead of making Zoro known in Wano. His fight with King is a clear evidence that Oda doesn't want anyone from Wano to notice Zoro. I could be wrong who knows.
Awakening is a great point if it happens but what of the impact? the weight behind Kaido's return? Is there even a time to create a scene where Kaido is threatening? Wouldn't Luffy take it upon himself again?
The most important part is the awakening is supposed to be in a Hybrid form. Isn't the whole idea of ZKK is slaying a Dragon?
If you reread Wano you will notice that Oda somehow told us that Zoro could have done it too in 2 scenes:-
1- Dragon Blaze
2- Cutting the Magma Dragon that King made.
Now there is 1 tiny detail here that could support ZKK IF Kaido returns that is. The fact that no one in Wano knows whos this Joy Boy who saved them from Kaido. The hero of Wano is unknown to them.
But meh...i don't know what to say... we have to wait and see.
Why does Oda not confirm Kaido's death and be done with it ? Oda can easily confirm his death if that was the case.
Therefore, It's highly likely that Kaido is still alive.
And if Kaido is alive, then ZKK is still not out of the question, it's simple. And you know how much Oda likes to subvert expectations so you never know, he might be pulling the biggest troll move ever
Therefore, It's highly likely that Kaido is still alive.
And if Kaido is alive, then ZKK is still not out of the question, it's simple. And you know how much Oda likes to subvert expectations so you never know, he might be pulling the biggest troll move ever
See? You just refuse accept that your cringe little theory was nothing but for stroking your little dick.
You ask where's the proof that Kaido is dead and then simply burry your head in sand and continue stroking your little dick by imagining Zoro slaying Kaido when the evidence is presented
You ask where's the proof that Kaido is dead and then simply burry your head in sand and continue stroking your little dick by imagining Zoro slaying Kaido when the evidence is presented
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Bro I don't refuse shit. All I want is for Oda to confirm Kaido's death completely. Not his defeat, his end, or whatever. Even on the news with the Gorosei and then Morgans, it never says Kaido & Big Mom are dead, just defeated.
If Momo says "This is Kaido's end". Which could be interpreted in many ways, then I'm not conviced. Especially since nobody checked up on Kaido's actual situation after he was koed and fell in Lava. If you think that means Kaido is dead, fine but I'm not convinced.
If Momo says "This is Kaido's end". Which could be interpreted in many ways, then I'm not conviced. Especially since nobody checked up on Kaido's actual situation after he was koed and fell in Lava. If you think that means Kaido is dead, fine but I'm not convinced.