Character Discussion Why Zoro still remains the Best Straw Hat

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
What unique lmao
He literally got introduced as Akainu Cum Swallower, Gorosei worshipper, with Replica Black Blade and got turned into a bitch by shanks after telling us he's scared of Kaido.
You just named the most unique character in the entire story.

It is a joke to compare him to pre time skip Zoro but even post time skip, even current Zoro is arguably better character.
Zoro is boring af man. He's just another lackey Yonkou underling at the end of the day. He'll say some edgy things here or there but then he'll neatly fall into his lackey role, then he will have a shitty choreographed choppy swordfight ending with a corny one liner. So tired of this.

An interesting Yonkou underling right now is Kuzan. He's his own man.
 
Popularity polls are done by OP fans who worship the ground oda walks on and still think this is a good story. Popularity means nothing when discussing writing.
It actually does.
Remove Zoro From early introduction and entire popularity of one piece Drops initially.


Also Zoro is one of the first characters introduced and he’s really cool so from the start, he attracts people and stays along for the ride so they’re less likely to let him go as their favourite character as opposed to someone who appears later but isn’t as prevalent.
Really? We had , Rayleigh , Marco and Katakuri. All of them were pretty Solid characters and Attracted way more attention than Average Strawhats.

Only problem arises here is Screentime.
That's why you will barely see character with great character go invisible.


Zoro was a great character pre-TS who regressed into a non character post-TS who’s practically a Luffy glazer and an aura farmer. It’s sad considering he was phenomenal at one point in terms of writing but oda is a fraud so oh well
Frankly speaking I really don't see the difference.
Yes pre time skip zoro Laughed more , had more gags , and post time skip one is more of stoic characters, And again it boils down to what people actually prefer.

He was Aura farmer back in pre time skip as well.
Luffy glazing was done much more in pre time skip than post time skip. You're contradicting yourself.

I don't know if I would ever call Zoros writing "phenomenal" at any point in the story, but it's certainly regressed after the skip
His character isn't Regressed rather everything is about Nika glazing now.
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Zoro is boring af man. He's just another lackey Yonkou underling at the end of the day. He'll say some edgy things here or there but then he'll neatly fall into his lackey role, then he will have a shitty choreographed choppy swordfight ending with a corny one liner. So tired of this.

An interesting Yonkou underling right now is Kuzan. He's his own man.
There's clearly a Bias here , but this entire thread was about Individual Opinions.

Because Kuzan practically has done jackshit being a Yonkou Commander. He did more while being an Admiral.

If you're qouting Mysterious here , Benn and Shiryu takes the stage.

Only thing making him interesting is his intentions , why he followed BB. What are his goals.
 
You just named the most unique character in the entire story.
If I made a character whose hobby is to eat shit literally, than he would be unique too.
If you made a pile of shit in the name of uniqueness, it isn't a win lmao.


Zoro is boring af man. He's just another lackey Yonkou underling at the end of the day. He'll say some edgy things here or there but then he'll neatly fall into his lackey role, then he will have a shitty choreographed choppy swordfight ending with a corny one liner. So tired of this.

An interesting Yonkou underling right now is Kuzan. He's his own man.
Yeah but at least beyond Luffy Zoro has some individualism and leadership.

Green Bull is just submissive in almost all of the ways.
He is submissive to Akainu
He worships Celestial Dragons
And Shanks made him into his slave in 2 seconds
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Popularity polls are done by OP fans who worship the ground oda walks on and still think this is a good story. Popularity means nothing when discussing writing.

Also Zoro is one of the first characters introduced and he’s really cool so from the start, he attracts people and stays along for the ride so they’re less likely to let him go as their favourite character as opposed to someone who appears later but isn’t as prevalent.

Zoro was a great character pre-TS who regressed into a non character post-TS who’s practically a Luffy glazer and an aura farmer. It’s sad considering he was phenomenal at one point in terms of writing but oda is a fraud so oh well
Tbh you are right and that's why Luffy wins popularity polls.
But beyond these polls Zoro is even more popular than Luffy.


There used to be a platform called TopTensList.com or something, it was very popular when I was young and Zoro was above even Luffy.
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You just named the most unique character in the entire story.



Zoro is boring af man. He's just another lackey Yonkou underling at the end of the day. He'll say some edgy things here or there but then he'll neatly fall into his lackey role, then he will have a shitty choreographed choppy swordfight ending with a corny one liner. So tired of this.

An interesting Yonkou underling right now is Kuzan. He's his own man.
How Zoro still checks Luffy and even insults him




Meanwhile Green Brocolli is ready to submit to literally anyone.


I would love to see Green Bull treat Akainu like this


He is literally treating Luffy like he's a prison bitch and Luffy isn't doing anything about it.
 
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Yeah but at least beyond Luffy Zoro has some individualism and leadership.

Green Bull is just submissive in almost all of the ways.
He is submissive to Akainu
He worships Celestial Dragons
And Shanks made him into his slave in 2 seconds
You got Aramaki wrong
He ignored Akainu's order of kicking out Fujitora
He also ignored his orders to not do anything rash in Wano
Greenbull doesn't give a fuck
He certainly respects Akainu's mentality and approach as a senior Admiral, he's still inexperienced in the navy so getting Akainu's approval is something he looks forward to
The celestial dragons? He doesn't actually like them, but he's a simple man and takes things as they are
In the OP verse, they are gods, and they do rule the world
"Don't blame me for it"

He's mad enough to leave the revos be and start a war with Fujitora while Mariejois is under fire lol
 
You got Aramaki wrong
He ignored Akainu's order of kicking out Fujitora
He also ignored his orders to not do anything rash in Wano
Greenbull doesn't give a fuck
He certainly respects Akainu's mentality and approach as a senior Admiral, he's still inexperienced in the navy so getting Akainu's approval is something he looks forward to
The celestial dragons? He doesn't actually like them, but he's a simple man and takes things as they are
In the OP verse, they are gods, and they do rule the world
"Don't blame me for it"

He's mad enough to leave the revos be and start a war with Fujitora while Mariejois is under fire lol
Well Kizaru is my favorite admiral still
 
Its not because Zoro is Great, he WAS great but that was like 15 Years ago at least.
But he still remains better than Other Straw Hats because he isn't an embarrassment like





And not QUITE as irrelevant as every other Straw Hat.
If we're talking about pre timeskip ? Easy zoro was by far the best strawhat he was very unique
chasing his own goal
hidden captain
made many good decision
showed many vice captain moment
he was very unique guy the lone wolf who happened to be working with luffy as partners

but post timeskip zoro ?
It's just oda making zoro glazing luffy like i get it but zoro is his own men he needs to work his way up and push his goals too.

Current strawhat are made to be luffy bitches which annoys me
even the enemy started dickriding luffy

but yh
post timeskip zoro isn't that great
every strawhat even luffy aint great
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Nah I can't bare Zoro's Luffy glazing. With Nami it is ok for her to glaze Luffy, it doesn't take anything away from her because she is a weakling, in fact those moments add to her character. She is willing to stick up for her captain against stronger opponents, despite being weak.

When Zoro does it I cringe. The final chapter of King vs Zoro is a cringefest, not only with the King of Hell nickname, but also because it became a battle of who can suck off their captain harder, and Zoro showed he sucks his captain off harder than King does, so he prevailed. WSS was a sidegig to this.
The is level of loyalty but what oda is doing is some next level dick sucking loyalty
its like the strawhat cant get off luffy dick
 
Yeah but at least beyond Luffy Zoro has some individualism and leadership.

Green Bull is just submissive in almost all of the ways.
He is submissive to Akainu
He worships Celestial Dragons
And Shanks made him into his slave in 2 seconds
Zolo is the retard muscle of the crew who just drinks sake. His character is hype for boys and gym motivation for men

Within 1 panel alone Aramaki's deeply held convictions are given many times more depth than any of the SHs over an entire series



"Sounds like they're having a grand old time up there, the outside world on the other hand..."

In one panel alone we know:

-Aramaki sees Wano and it's inhabitants as isolated, glib of the realitys that exist outside their little island, something elaborated on after he transforms

-He is a realist who amidst the festival joy and merriment, sees real world and it's "unholy mess", a precursor to his theme of restoring hierarchy and realigning the "natural" order in the world

-He treads with an angry heart, yet tulips and green life follow him. A supposedly rotten man, given a life giving and profoundly beautiful ability. This misfit of person & power becomes even more pronounced and worthy of questioning in a series like this where we are shown that the fruit one has, matches their heart

Don't compare that lift motivation shonen garbage to a real antagonist with a real worldview that is fleshed out
 
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
He is submissive to Akainu
He has literally disobeyed every single order Akainu has given him. Lol

Mihawk has obeyed more orders than Buggy than Aramaki has from Akainu. lol

He worships Celestial Dragons
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence of this, he called them gods which is what 99% of the OP world believes about the CDs anyway. Lol

And Shanks made him into his slave in 2 seconds
Nah he outright wants to fight Saint Shanks lol. Mihawk is more Buggy’s slave than Ryokugyu was to Saint Shanks lmfao.
 
Nah I can't bare Zoro's Luffy glazing. With Nami it is ok for her to glaze Luffy, it doesn't take anything away from her because she is a weakling, in fact those moments add to her character. She is willing to stick up for her captain against stronger opponents, despite being weak.

When Zoro does it I cringe. The final chapter of King vs Zoro is a cringefest, not only with the King of Hell nickname, but also because it became a battle of who can suck off their captain harder, and Zoro showed he sucks his captain off harder than King does, so he prevailed. WSS was a sidegig to this.
Isn’t it exactly the opposite? All King does is suck off his captain — he doesn’t have any ambition of his own, that’s why he lost. Meanwhile, Zoro remembered that sucking pff his captain isn’t the only thing that drives him — it’s also about becoming the WSS.
 
1. I think you quoted the wrong thing lmfao

2. Akainu has canonically given Ryokugyu two orders in canon, Ryokugyu has intentionally disobeyed both of those orders. Buggy has canonically given Mihawk two orders in canon, Mihawk has canonically obeyed both of those orders like a good subordinate. Lol
More complete bs this man has always done as he pleased he has never been someone who could be ordered around
Again manga doesn't support your wishful head canon i can never imagine Mihawk acting like a dog wanting praise from someone else like twerkbull

 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Again manga doesn't support your wishful head canon i can never imagine Mihawk acting like a dog wanting praise from someone else like twerkbull
I don’t have to imagine it, Mihawk was the one who suggested that Buggy be the captain and Mihawk be the subordinate. Mihawk knows his place in the hierarchy lmfao. Mihawk is also perfectly happy to follow Buggy’s orders and is currently fighting to make Buggy the Pirate King.

Mihawk would never disobey his superior’s direct orders like Waramaki has for 100% of the orders he has been given lmfao. Mihawk has truly accepted his role as a Yonko commander.
 
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