Speculations Will Kizaru's slave past be sad?

Will the slave Kizaru finally be liberated?


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#21
I honestly didnt see it as an agenda
was genuinely confused but now thats clear.
trying to demean admirals based on the hypothetical that they may be "slaves" however should say alot of about one's character /personal views .
Man, how do you not see it at this point lmao?

I've been here less than an year and pretty much have a grasp on who pushes which agendas here amongst the regulars lol
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#23
its not subjective
if you dont have complete control in your day to day and still report to a superior body
your job satisfaction or others things are irrelevant. you are a corp slave . a cog in the machine, replaceable and expendable.


within the admirals you see varying degrees of satisfaction and autonomy
greenbull loves his job
fuji hates the government and wants things changed
kizaru does what hes told

they are all corp slaves. now you see it as subjective because you are now understanding the ramifications also in real life. people generally are like the admirals.
its not subjective
if you dont have complete control in your day to day and still report to a superior body
your job satisfaction or others things are irrelevant. you are a corp slave . a cog in the machine, replaceable and expendable.
While I understand your perspective, it's important to consider that the concept of being a corporate slave might not apply universally to all work situations.
within the admirals you see varying degrees of satisfaction and autonomy
greenbull loves his job
fuji hates the government and wants things changed
kizaru does what hes told

they are all corp slaves. now you see it as subjective because you are now understanding the ramifications also in real life. people generally are like the admirals.
It's important to recognize the multifaceted nature of job satisfaction and the individual agency that often accompanies it. Generalizing all employees as "corp slaves" oversimplifies the complex reality of work experiences across various industries and organizations.

Work experiences vary widely across individuals, industries, and organizations. While some individuals might find themselves in positions where they perceive limited control and substantial hierarchy, it's crucial to avoid generalizing this experience to all workers. Many factors come into play, such as the nature of the job, the company's culture, management style, and individual aspirations.
In many modern workplaces, efforts are made to promote employee well-being, job satisfaction, and personal growth. Some organizations prioritize open communication, employee feedback, skill development, and opportunities for advancement.

Of course, as a fan of Kizaru, you wouldn't be pleased with him being a filthy corporate slave who's ordered to commit the worst atrocities in the name of people like the Charlos. I would be quite dissatisfied with that if it were my work environment. lol
 
#26
shanks isnt
neither is kaido or big mom

if you work for a corp with structure where you report to superiors/managers/director , likely a steady paycheck , and a limited degree of independence . you are a corp slave. kizaru in the same way has a job. But thats different from the slavery that you are talking about. corp slave means the same thing in one piece as it does in real life, if you are an employee
you are 99 % of the time a corp slave.


pirates dont really have a job. ....... they live to their own beat.
Law is doctor and pirate
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Better than being Orochi's henchman :cheers:
Snake guys used to be cooler
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#27
  • I willingly join an organization knowing the consequences.
  • I become a corporate slave who follows orders even from Charlos.
Even 10-year-old Kaido wasn't okay with this, Kizaru being fine with it screams lack of ambition, submitting himself to be a lapdog of the Celestial Dragons, a little corporate slave.
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I have a feeling that all these Admiral hate threads will backfire really hard.

Don't be in such a hurry Egghead just started.
I hope you and your crystal ball are right, but considering that Zoro is here, it's Kizaru who will end up with the tables turned. Lol.
 
#30
Lol guy might not work in this company or military in real life ,
‘If you die in war , another soldier replace you.
‘If you quit or get fired , another one will replace you.

Lot of people follow jobs without complaining even dangerous jobs. No different than kizaru.
‘I am sure same people probably smoke weed, take drugs, or drink wine, or do crazy stuff like kizaru does.
 
#31
While I understand your perspective, it's important to consider that the concept of being a corporate slave might not apply universally to all work situations.


It's important to recognize the multifaceted nature of job satisfaction and the individual agency that often accompanies it. Generalizing all employees as "corp slaves" oversimplifies the complex reality of work experiences across various industries and organizations.

Work experiences vary widely across individuals, industries, and organizations. While some individuals might find themselves in positions where they perceive limited control and substantial hierarchy, it's crucial to avoid generalizing this experience to all workers. Many factors come into play, such as the nature of the job, the company's culture, management style, and individual aspirations.
In many modern workplaces, efforts are made to promote employee well-being, job satisfaction, and personal growth. Some organizations prioritize open communication, employee feedback, skill development, and opportunities for advancement.

Of course, as a fan of Kizaru, you wouldn't be pleased with him being a filthy corporate slave who's ordered to commit the worst atrocities in the name of people like the Charlos. I would be quite dissatisfied with that if it were my work environment. lol
doesnt matter whether there's open communication
opportunities for advancement , job satisfaction , company culture are minor factors in degree to which one is exploited but it doesnt change reality. if there's not complete autonomy and you are accountable to anyone and replaceable. Thats what a corp slave is. you have to be delusional to genuinely believe any corp/industry has the best in mind for the employee . as you put it , you are just a "cog in the machine".


your issue is by default you see it as a very negative thing . its not , a lot of people live comfy stable lives doing that. a lot others do not. Its what people do to survive. am not sad thats what kizaru is . i think that makes him relatable to 99% of the folks who would read one piece because thats in reality is the card most people are dealt with in life. kizaru is an admiral the highest position in the navy, imagine va's , leuitenants or regular foot soldiers. this is no different to what you have in a modern day corp mate.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#32
doesnt matter whether there's open communication
opportunities for advancement , job satisfaction , company culture are minor factors in degree to which one is exploited but it doesnt change reality. if there's not complete autonomy and you are accountable to anyone and replaceable. Thats what a corp slave is. you have to be delusional to genuinely believe any corp/industry has the best in mind for the employee . as you put it , you are just a "cog in the machine".


your issue is by default you see it as a very negative thing . its not , a lot of people live comfy stable lives doing that. a lot others do not. Its what people do to survive. am not sad thats what kizaru is . i think that makes him relatable to 99% of the folks who would read one piece because thats in reality is the card most people are dealt with in life. kizaru is an admiral the highest in the navy, imagine va's , leuitenants or regular foot soldiers. this is no different to what you have in a modern day corp mate.
I think you should move on and accept that Kizaru has submitted himself to being a corporate slave and is perfectly fine with that fact, something even individuals like 10-year-old Kaido wouldn't be okay with. This isn't that profound.
 
#35
I hope you and your crystal ball are right, but considering that Zoro is here, it's Kizaru who will end up with the tables turned. Lol.
Has nothing to do with crystall balls man but i doubt Oda would mobilize Kizaru to Egghead only to clown him and use him as a mere hypetool.

Idc about this Yonko vs Admiral thing at all, but one thing is for sure, when it comes to pre ts big figure characters Oda gives them much better treatment than the newer ones.
 
#37
I think you should move on and accept that Kizaru has submitted himself to being a corporate slave and is perfectly fine with that fact, something even individuals like 10-year-old Kaido wouldn't be okay with. This isn't that profound.
he is a corp slave I never denied that
kaido isnt I have also said that
I think you are denying what a corp slave is
what I have said is 95 % o people are and that seemed to strike a nerve . you keep arguing around that. in otherwords kizaru is a realistic character.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#38
Why would Kaido help Orochi then?
Answer - Orochi is paying him.
Do I need to dig all the panels that prove Orochi is paying Kaido for his henchman work?
:hihihi:
The agreement Orochi and Kaido made is that all of Wano is under Kaido's control, with the exception of the Flower Capital, which would be ruled by Orochi. However, this was temporary because Kaido continuously tried to persuade Yamato to become the Shogun.

The most you can say is that, like Doflamingo, Orochi is a partner of Kaido. Kaido provides his strength, and Orochi handles other matters, including making deals with the government on behalf of Kaido.

This is completely different from being ordered by Saint Charlos to kill people. lol
Furthermore, Kaido only allowed Orochi to govern the capital because he had the skill for exploitation, which aligned with Kaido's plans.
 
#39


Kizaru's childhood doesn't look all sad to me. Being someone with sociopathic tendencies, I can see a flashback where he in elementary school was given the job of a supervisor by the teacher when he was leaving the class to get new chalk for the board, and he probably abused that power.
 
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