Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

[CbShadow]

I see some are still refusing to acknowledge manga or One Piece facts.

Law is a swordsman. Doesn't matter how you cut it (pun intended), he is a swordsman. Law has been called a swordsman in official One Piece sources and his fighting style revolves around him using a sword and swordsmanship. I understand that Law's DF doesn't require a sword yet he still uses one. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Law being a pirate captain doesn't mean he's Luffy's rival or stronger than Zoro.

During pre TS you could argue they might be Luffy's rival but post TS they have never been rivals. They created an alliance and Law's new goal is to learn the true world history not to become pirate king.

Even though Law has been very impressive in Wano Zoro still have greater feats that puts him above Law. While Law role in Wano is done Zoro's role is not finished yet.

 

[Malio]

Then Hera still exists

Then he cuts her too 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Then he cuts her too 🤷🏾‍♂️

Until shown otherwise Zoro can't cut lighting

 

[ZenZu]

@ZenZu what's your take on this? Since already awakened his ability which is like the peak of his DF, don't you think Law's got less room to expand than Zoro?

If I had to place them on a tier list I already have Zoro just above Law right now. Forget growth.

The only issue here is this. Law is a hax based fighter. Hax based fighters do not follow traditional scaling. They can virtually beat anyone under the right circumstances. Oda can make Law as strong as he wants thanks to this.

Ope Ope is so broken that the only thing holding it back is Law. If Law's haki, stamina etc. Improve, good luck convincing anyone that he can't defeat whoever he's matched up with given his df. Law's ceiling is the Ope Ope's ceiling. Law is the limiting factor of his df. More stamina, better base stats, better haki = more Ope Ope shenanigans.

I've said this before but Law's df is more suited for someone like Imu or another endgame villain. If Law becomes a solid top tier he has a shot at defeating any single person in this verse due to hax. Law can virtually do anything conveniently when the time calls for it. Look at how he pulled R Room out of his ass, the room doesn't actually have any real limits or logic to it, so it's very easy for Oda to have Law keep up with anyone in this verse.

The Ope Ope is the most convenient fruit for Oda to work with.

 

[Ven437]

Replace Law’s kikuchi with a fodder or no name sword, does his lethality change? His DF powers? No.

Take Law’s sword away, does he become useless in battle? No, he has other tools in his arsenal.

Replace Zoro’s swords with fodder swords, his AP drastically changes. Take his swords away, and he’s almost helpless.

There’s the difference between Law as a swordsman and Zoro as a swordsman. Law is 50% swordsman at best (and that is being EXTREMELY generous), who doesn’t mind fighting without it, Zoro is 100% pure swordsman. Law’s sword is an extension of his true abilities, not his ability.

 

[WizardKing]

Law claps the useless cross

 

[HA001]

Replace Law’s kikuchi with a fodder or no name sword, does his lethality change? His DF powers? No.

Take Law’s sword away, does he become useless in battle? No, he has other tools in his arsenal.

Replace Zoro’s swords with fodder swords, his AP drastically changes. Take his swords away, and he’s almost helpless.

There’s the difference between Law as a swordsman and Zoro as a swordsman. Law is 50% swordsman at best (and that is being EXTREMELY generous), who doesn’t mind fighting without it, Zoro is 100% pure swordsman. Law’s sword is an extension of his true abilities, not his ability.

Law dies holding zoros sword
Don't even chat

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Didn't Oda already gave enough information to qualify law as a swordman?
This is not the case if Oda will gave an answer but if the reader needs to be spoon-feed to understand basic information.

Law is a swordman and by default is bound to be weaker than the WSS.

Oda most likely will be cheeky and drag both being too close but ultimately he'll show Zoro superiority.

Law is a minor issue in my book , showing superiority over shanks or Roger(until now there's no difference between him and Zoro set of skills) is a bigger matter . Ryuma too like how you set up Zoro to be considered someone like him in notoriety.

 

[Malio]

Until shown otherwise Zoro can't cut lighting

Does not need to. He can create tornados, Wind > lightening & seeing as Hera is a devil ability he'll just add coating Haki and voila :cheers:

 

[Ven437]

Law dies holding zoros sword
Don't even chat

Zoro dies without his swords
Don't even chat

 

[Gol D. Roger]

If I had to place them on a tier list I already have Zoro just above Law right now. Forget growth.

The only issue here is this. Law is a hax based fighter. Hax based fighters do not follow traditional scaling. They can virtually beat anyone under the right circumstances. Oda can make Law as strong as he wants thanks to this.

Ope Ope is so broken that the only thing holding it back is Law. If Law's haki, stamina etc. Improve, good luck convincing anyone that he can't defeat whoever he's matched up with given his df. Law's ceiling is the Ope Ope's ceiling. Law is the limiting factor of his df. More stamina, better base stats, better haki = more Ope Ope shenanigans.

I've said this before but Law's df is more suited for someone like Imu or another endgame villain. If Law becomes a solid top tier he has a shot at defeating any single person in this verse due to hax. Law can virtually do anything conveniently when the time calls for it. Look at how he pulled R Room out of his ass, the room doesn't actually have any real limits or logic to it, so it's very easy for Oda to have Law keep up with anyone in this verse.

The Ope Ope is the most convenient fruit for Oda to work with.

The wank never ends. I will say I agree with all of that but only to a moderate degree because you tend to blow things out of proportion when it comes to Law, but I agree more or less with the notion that Law always has a chance against pretty much anyone given the right circumstances. And yeah, I was talking about their respective ceilings in a general. Zoro does seem to have a higher ceiling than Law.

 

[HA001]

Zoro dies without his swords
Don't even chat

Excuses.
Enma would kill law
How embarrassing

 

[Ven437]

Excuses.
Enma would kill law
How embarrassing

WSS = Vista level
How embarrassing

 

[HA001]

WSS = Vista level
How embarrassing

Still >>>> meme who got negged by frankys bike

 

[Ven437]

Still >>>> meme who got negged by frankys bike

So insecure about Mihawk and Zoro to the point of bringing up irrelevant characters to this discussion.

BM bodies Vista while Prom giant sun soloes Postponehawk.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

however we became aware that law and kidd held back powers on the rooftop they already had while luffy and zoro went all out.
no doubt the portrayal those two gain from defeating a yonko in a 2v 1 individually is certainly still above beating a right hand 1v1
emphasis on their victory confirms it .

based on feats against big mom
and the portrayal law has/should receive from this victory
rn he is stronger.

A question buddy.

At the end of Wano(the land of samurais and born place of the sword god) the strongest swordman of the island will be Law for you then?

Like this big and unique opportunity in Zoro story(unlikely he returns to Wano before EoS) will be for Law?

 

[park_min young]

Didn't Oda already gave enough information to qualify law as a swordman?
This is not the case if Oda will gave an answer but if the reader needs to be spoon-feed to understand basic information.

Law is a swordman and by default is bound to be weaker than the WSS.

Oda most likely will be cheeky and drag both being too close but ultimately he'll show Zoro superiority.

Law is not a traditional swordsman even if Oda classifies him as such. One can only read and eventually come to this conclusion. He uses his sword as a medium for his df, his best attacks Mes, GK, shambles have nothing to do with swordsmanship. His most lethal attacks are internal shockwaves, nothing to do with swords. His sword is essentially a fashion item, I could replace it with an umbrella and it doesn’t diminish his fighting prowess.

 

[Geo]

I think a fight between Law and Zoro will for the most part go to Zoro at high to very high diff.

If we are looking for the ideal scenario for Law (with everything going his way), he would be able to win by landing Mes which ignores endurance.
The other scenario would be law landing Gamma knife which would lead to a draw if Zoro endures it enough to also land is ultimate on Law.

The issue for Law is that these ideal scenarios are extremely rare and one would have to give him some external factor momentarily distracting Zoro enough for Law to land those. And that also goes for Luffy, Kidd and multiple characters...some who are above Law.

So in a straight matchup, Zoro's feats should push him to win over Law

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Law is not a traditional swordsman even if Oda classifies him as such. One can only read and eventually come to this conclusion. He uses his sword as a medium for his df, his best attacks Mes, GK, shambles have nothing to do with swordsmanship. His most lethal attacks are internal shockwaves, nothing to do with swords. His sword is essentially a fashion item, I could replace it with an umbrella and it doesn’t diminish his fighting prowess.

"a no traditional swordman" is still a swordman.

"even if Oda classifies him as such" so you will be deaf ears despite the author words?

The argument of he can use X instead of the sword is baseless until you can provide panels.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Does not need to. He can create tornados, Wind > lightening & seeing as Hera is a devil ability he'll just add coating Haki and voila :cheers:

Haki doesn't work on homies we saw this in wci