Questions & Mysteries WSS Zoro before or after pk Luffy
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That old man isn’t joining cross guild lol
So they’re gonna start from scratch while the other 3 only need 1 more but at the same time not only catch up, not only surpass them, but on top of that doing it while not interacting with the other emperors
So they’re gonna start from scratch while the other 3 only need 1 more but at the same time not only catch up, not only surpass them, but on top of that doing it while not interacting with the other emperors
Try looking at it this way:
When it comes to the SHs, their main fights every arc always happen before Luffy finishes his battle with the main antagonist
i.e Zoro and Sanji beat their opponents first before Luffy beats his.
And according to Mihawk himself, becoming PK is HARDER than surpassing him (WSS).
So for now, I would say Zoro achieves his dream first. Probably the SHs will have an encounter with Cross Guild or something while they race for Laugh Tale and thats when Zoro finally challenges Mihawk once and for all.
When it comes to the SHs, their main fights every arc always happen before Luffy finishes his battle with the main antagonist
i.e Zoro and Sanji beat their opponents first before Luffy beats his.
And according to Mihawk himself, becoming PK is HARDER than surpassing him (WSS).
So for now, I would say Zoro achieves his dream first. Probably the SHs will have an encounter with Cross Guild or something while they race for Laugh Tale and thats when Zoro finally challenges Mihawk once and for all.
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
People call me biased or that Im baiting but objectively compare Shanks to Blackbeard while factoring this in:
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
As for beckman not having a sword I don’t think he needs one to fight zoro. He’s already used his gun as a melee weapon so if he clads it in hardening it shouldn’t be an issue
I still think shanks and Blackbeard will go down together with them and luffy all fighting for the last poneglyph like mihawk insinuated
As for beckman not having a sword I don’t think he needs one to fight zoro. He’s already used his gun as a melee weapon so if he clads it in hardening it shouldn’t be an issue
As for beckman not having a sword I don’t think he needs one to fight zoro. He’s already used his gun as a melee weapon so if he clads it in hardening it shouldn’t be an issue
This is primarily why I think Akainu and Blackbeard fall first, because they were the primary instigators in the last war and have more ties together then we think (or at least as Oda perceives it to be).
I say Shanks and Mihawk after this (not really CG, the entire group is currently there to give Mihawk a reason to stay involved imo, outside of Buggy domination), because of specifically how Shanks is portrayed in this story. And I just think theres no direct use having Beckman fight Zoro if he's not a swordsman. Zoro have not once fought someone without a blade before in the manga.
Tldr:
- Akainu and Blackbeard @ Lodestar
- Shanks and Mihawk @ Laugh Tale
I do think the marines will be involved but as you probably know in a different way
The whole shanks, teach, luffy, kid, and law vs akainu, aokiji, kizaru, ryokugyu, and fujitora thing imo
Idk I feel your underestimating cross guild as a whole. While yeah zoro vs mihawk is obviously the most anticipated fight the rest of cross guild won’t be useless. They’re also going to play important roles against the strawhats because they want to get to the one piece just as much. Especially if they end up raiding impel down and having gecko Moria join. They don’t need to team up with shanks in order to be relevant
As for beckman true most of zoro’s opponents use blades even if they barely do. I still don’t think it’s necessary for him to fight beckman. If luffy fights the boss like always Zoro should fight the strongest subordinate. He doesn’t need to fight a swordsman to grow stronger like we saw with king.
As long as beckman has a weapon he can clash with zoro’s swords he’ll be fine imo
The whole shanks, teach, luffy, kid, and law vs akainu, aokiji, kizaru, ryokugyu, and fujitora thing imo
Idk I feel your underestimating cross guild as a whole. While yeah zoro vs mihawk is obviously the most anticipated fight the rest of cross guild won’t be useless. They’re also going to play important roles against the strawhats because they want to get to the one piece just as much. Especially if they end up raiding impel down and having gecko Moria join. They don’t need to team up with shanks in order to be relevant
As for beckman true most of zoro’s opponents use blades even if they barely do. I still don’t think it’s necessary for him to fight beckman. If luffy fights the boss like always Zoro should fight the strongest subordinate. He doesn’t need to fight a swordsman to grow stronger like we saw with king.
As long as beckman has a weapon he can clash with zoro’s swords he’ll be fine imo
People call me biased or that Im baiting but objectively compare Shanks to Blackbeard while factoring this in:
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
Shanks and Mihawk are paired a lot, I truly believe they're falling around the same time.
I have no doubt that Mihawk will reach laugh tale because Buggy said so, as should Shanks.
Blackbeard is the one that throw things off, he may or not reach laugh tale because of WB words, plus Shiryuu being a downgrade after Zoro defeats Mihawk as you said.
I dont its going to be as clean as "pirates vs marines". Itll be everyone vs everyone in that context.
And Im really not. The problem with CG is its based essentially on a joke with Buggy. Then Crocodile has personally zero warranted hype to keep up with any other Yonko crew alone, save his massively inflated bounty.
Really CG exists as a Yonko evidently to propel Mihawk in the endgame and to keep the Buggy memes going for now.
I saw it like this because currently, they are 3 people, and I do not put my faith in 2 of them to be at all direct threats. Now....if they end up showing more manpower like other Shichibukai or Underworld pirates or Silver Medalists from Impel Down, then maaaaaybe I get behind the idea.
And Im not saying "they" team up with Shanks. Im saying Mihawk specifically just survives the war at the peak and just happens to fight Zoro at that point. Not that he at all sides with Shanks in the end.
Edit: My issue primarily comes from returning villains. Lucci is the same. They are in no way direct threats since the crew already spent full arcs surpassing them.
The only person in CG that is currently not a former/defeated villain is Mihawk, and the idea behind CG that most people have is them recruiting more former villains like Doflamingo and Moria
And Im really not. The problem with CG is its based essentially on a joke with Buggy. Then Crocodile has personally zero warranted hype to keep up with any other Yonko crew alone, save his massively inflated bounty.
Really CG exists as a Yonko evidently to propel Mihawk in the endgame and to keep the Buggy memes going for now.
I saw it like this because currently, they are 3 people, and I do not put my faith in 2 of them to be at all direct threats. Now....if they end up showing more manpower like other Shichibukai or Underworld pirates or Silver Medalists from Impel Down, then maaaaaybe I get behind the idea.
And Im not saying "they" team up with Shanks. Im saying Mihawk specifically just survives the war at the peak and just happens to fight Zoro at that point. Not that he at all sides with Shanks in the end.
Edit: My issue primarily comes from returning villains. Lucci is the same. They are in no way direct threats since the crew already spent full arcs surpassing them.
The only person in CG that is currently not a former/defeated villain is Mihawk, and the idea behind CG that most people have is them recruiting more former villains like Doflamingo and Moria
Yeah it’s gonna be everyone vs everyone but the marines will focus mainly on the pirates, cross guild probably on impel down, the revolutionaries against the nobles with cipher pol, pirates vs pirates etc.
Buggy might be a joke but his convictions nor cross guild are. Like I’ve been saying I 100% agree they in a straight up war against the strawhats they don’t stand a chance. That’s why I’ve been so for them being who the strawhats davy back fight with. Shanks and Blackbeard have more than enough man power to compete with the strawhats but they don’t
They won’t be able to win straight up but it’ll give them cool mini victories. Plus cross guild unironically is kinda similar to the foxy pirates in a funny way
I think they don’t need the man power of the other emperors to prove to be just as much of a threat given the right situation. And still cross guild is bigger than just mihawk
Buggy might be a joke but his convictions nor cross guild are. Like I’ve been saying I 100% agree they in a straight up war against the strawhats they don’t stand a chance. That’s why I’ve been so for them being who the strawhats davy back fight with. Shanks and Blackbeard have more than enough man power to compete with the strawhats but they don’t
They won’t be able to win straight up but it’ll give them cool mini victories. Plus cross guild unironically is kinda similar to the foxy pirates in a funny way
I think they don’t need the man power of the other emperors to prove to be just as much of a threat given the right situation. And still cross guild is bigger than just mihawk
Because Zoro's dream is coming before Luffy's
That's their promise even
CG aren't Final villains
You're being a fanboy
That's why you make up your own narratives that BB won't take down Shanks even tough that's a fated battle like Luffy vs Kaido or Luffy vs Imu
You're comparing Teacg fighting 1v1 law
With Shanks who attacked kid that wasn't focused at him?
Means nothing
Teach falls after Shanks downfall
There's no OG Yonko falling after him
That's their promise even
CG aren't Final villains
People call me biased or that Im baiting but objectively compare Shanks to Blackbeard while factoring this in:
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
- Blackbeard's #2 is a swordman
- Shanks' #2 is not
- Blackbeard currently has a reliance on DF powers and not Haki
- Shanks is basically Roger and really has no direct comparison to his Haki usage, as far as we've seen
Lets say Mihawk falls in Laugh Tale or right before it is a reputable fact, would you rather:
1. Shiryu, as he's been currently portayed (and I mean sneaking around and getting shoulder thrown by Garp), come after Mihawk to show something more impressive?
2. Shiryu (and Fujitora if he's Zoro's opponent), fall beforehand and have Mihawk exist alongside his rival Shanks while the latter fights Luffy for the PK seat?
People argue up and down and swear by the WSS title, but as far as Im aware, Shanks' ambition to find One Piece is something Mihawk does not have, which sort of implies the idea behind Haki anyway and what it signifies in the series.
And I mean, we have VERY clear definitions and allusions to this:
Then (no offence), you have Mihawk here:
Then you also have Blackbeard's portrayal in a similar situation to Shanks.....:
But me know nothing and I'm just a Shanks shill/fanboy/whatever. This is "why" people resort to the "Blackbeard kills Shanks" mentality even if its unfounded, because it's really the only excuse they have on this.
Edit: Even look at the fucking language Oda uses to show how Shanks defeats Kid vs how Blackbeard defeats Law:
If you want to get REALLY petty, it took Oda 2 chapters to resolve Shanks vs. Kid lol. He started Blackbeard vs Law 14 chapters before Shanks vs. Kid and still ended it afterwards.
That's why you make up your own narratives that BB won't take down Shanks even tough that's a fated battle like Luffy vs Kaido or Luffy vs Imu
You're comparing Teacg fighting 1v1 law
With Shanks who attacked kid that wasn't focused at him?
Means nothing
Teach falls after Shanks downfall
There's no OG Yonko falling after him