Yamamoto Vs. Roronoa Zoro
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PleaseI'm not even sure zoro can stalemate Rukia
Bleachverse break higher ceiling among Big 3/Big 4 in powerscaling. Though OP, N, and FT are still-ongoing, so who knows as they could still break their ceilings even more to match with Bleach.
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Don't know where this overration of Yamamoto is coming from. How does he not get oneshotted by Zoro's casual swings, which were slicing up Pica's Golem? Yamamoto's best feat is the implication of his Shikai blowing up several areas of Karakura Town, and he's also weaker than both Aizen and Dangai Ichigo, who were only busting boulders with their sword fight.
Zoro wins.
Zoro wins.
Uh, no. It's a matter of feats; one guy can casually slice up mountains, the other is below people who were busting small hills.
Also, no Bleach character is continental buster, lol. Maybe Yhwach after absorbing the SK, but no one else. Ichigo and Aizen who are 2n and 3rd strongest respectively were bragging about destroying mountains (small hills actually).
Also, no Bleach character is continental buster, lol. Maybe Yhwach after absorbing the SK, but no one else. Ichigo and Aizen who are 2n and 3rd strongest respectively were bragging about destroying mountains (small hills actually).
Zoro neg diffs once he has fire cuttinf abilities.
With Enma he one shots all the fire zopbie army, no sells Zanpakuto attacks with Asura.
No-sells Hado attack since they're weaker than Kuma's pain bubble.
Nitoryu Rashomon with Enma and Wado =
Dead geezer
Bankai Kenpachi would be a challenge. Not this old geezer who don't brush his teeth
With Enma he one shots all the fire zopbie army, no sells Zanpakuto attacks with Asura.
No-sells Hado attack since they're weaker than Kuma's pain bubble.
Nitoryu Rashomon with Enma and Wado =
Dead geezer
Bankai Kenpachi would be a challenge. Not this old geezer who don't brush his teeth
He has far better stats than Zoro, mountain busting isn't impressive for Bleach top tiers lmao.
Yamamoto with Shikai vs Zoro is definitely more debatable than Bankai Yamamoto who utterly stomps Zoro, it's really a mismatch.
I've already explained the reasons for Zoro's inferiority in the previous pages.
Lmao at small hills.
Yes, it's a matter of feats and Yamamoto's stats are massively above Zoro's one.
But well, it depends which sources you use; I use OBD for both Zoro's and Yamamoto's feats.
Once again, it's a NLF.
With what feats could he do something like that?
Nice try, but once Yama starts going all out, Zoro will be minced meat.
And you guys still haven't explained yet what Zoro could do to deal with the sun's heat? Fire cutting ability? That doesn't go for every fire.
Anyway, Yamamoto doesn't only have better stats, he has also hax which can easily kill Zoro if it connects.
No, Bankai Kenpachi also stomps Zoro - Bankai Yamamoto is just stronger than both of them.
Yamamoto with Shikai vs Zoro is definitely more debatable than Bankai Yamamoto who utterly stomps Zoro, it's really a mismatch.
I've already explained the reasons for Zoro's inferiority in the previous pages.
Lmao at small hills.
Yes, it's a matter of feats and Yamamoto's stats are massively above Zoro's one.
But well, it depends which sources you use; I use OBD for both Zoro's and Yamamoto's feats.
Once again, it's a NLF.
With what feats could he do something like that?
Nice try, but once Yama starts going all out, Zoro will be minced meat.
And you guys still haven't explained yet what Zoro could do to deal with the sun's heat? Fire cutting ability? That doesn't go for every fire.
Anyway, Yamamoto doesn't only have better stats, he has also hax which can easily kill Zoro if it connects.
No, Bankai Kenpachi also stomps Zoro - Bankai Yamamoto is just stronger than both of them.
This is what Dangai Ichigo and Aizen were busting:
Butterfly Aizen was bragging about his power have improved to the point he can now bust that small plateau, which is not a mountain and never will be, and it wasn't Aizen's feat to begin with. Aizen at that point was far above Yamamoto, considering he bested him in base.
Dangai Ichigo > Monster Aizen > Butterfly Aizen > Base Aizen >= Yamamoto. On top of the fact Yamamoto has no mountain busting feat on panel, people vastly superior to him were bragging about busting structures smaller than mountains. Yamamoto's best DC feat is blowing up Karakura Town, which is in line with city to multi-city busting.
On the other hand, Zoro was casually dishing out this level of power with his physical strength alone:
Zoro's feat of cutting Pica's Golem casually is unfathomably superior to Ichigo's feat of busting those small plateaus, when you begin to realize the immense size of Pica's Golem.
It really isn't. Zoro swings his sword and Yamamoto gets oneshotted; If he was getting stabbed by Base Aizen, who is laughably below Zoro's physical prowess in his monster transformation, then imagine what Zoro could do to him. Yamamoto can only win if he lands a hit on Zoro with his Bankai, but he's not when Zoro is faster and has Observation Haki to predict, on top of all that his slashes cover so much AoE.
Let's see:
-Physical strength was covered above, and Zoro's strength >>>>>> Yama's strength.
-Speed is on Zoro's side, since he was lightning speed since Enies Lobby. He has Observation Haki on top of that.
-Stamina is One Piece's forte, and Zoro is an endurance monster.
-Durability is on Yamamoto's side, but Zoro's slashes casually vaporizes him when Base Aizen easily stabbed him.
Who the hell uses fan-made website?
Butterfly Aizen was bragging about his power have improved to the point he can now bust that small plateau, which is not a mountain and never will be, and it wasn't Aizen's feat to begin with. Aizen at that point was far above Yamamoto, considering he bested him in base.
Dangai Ichigo > Monster Aizen > Butterfly Aizen > Base Aizen >= Yamamoto. On top of the fact Yamamoto has no mountain busting feat on panel, people vastly superior to him were bragging about busting structures smaller than mountains. Yamamoto's best DC feat is blowing up Karakura Town, which is in line with city to multi-city busting.
On the other hand, Zoro was casually dishing out this level of power with his physical strength alone:
Zoro's feat of cutting Pica's Golem casually is unfathomably superior to Ichigo's feat of busting those small plateaus, when you begin to realize the immense size of Pica's Golem.
It really isn't. Zoro swings his sword and Yamamoto gets oneshotted; If he was getting stabbed by Base Aizen, who is laughably below Zoro's physical prowess in his monster transformation, then imagine what Zoro could do to him. Yamamoto can only win if he lands a hit on Zoro with his Bankai, but he's not when Zoro is faster and has Observation Haki to predict, on top of all that his slashes cover so much AoE.
Let's see:
-Physical strength was covered above, and Zoro's strength >>>>>> Yama's strength.
-Speed is on Zoro's side, since he was lightning speed since Enies Lobby. He has Observation Haki on top of that.
-Stamina is One Piece's forte, and Zoro is an endurance monster.
-Durability is on Yamamoto's side, but Zoro's slashes casually vaporizes him when Base Aizen easily stabbed him.
Who the hell uses fan-made website?
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Yama is far above mountain level. Shook at people who are claiming otherwise. Most top tiers in the Bleach verse are > Shikai Kenpachi (with his eyepatch on) who was able to bust a meteor this big:
And considering how the meteor was ablated, it would have destroyed the entire Sereitei and then some. The Sereitei was stated to be 400 ri in diameter in the Faded to Black Movie, which Kubo was involved in and 400 ri = 970 miles or so. And this is supported by statements made in the manga:
Ichigo casually parrying his sword with Aizenโs and completely evaporating a mountain or hill near him doesnโt make Yamamoto below mountain level when even weaker characters like Shikai Kenpachi (with his eyepatch on...mans wasnโt even anywhere near full power and was semi casual) were able to completely bust an ablated meteor that was going to destroy a country sized sereitei, not even close
Yamamoto cooks Zoro with his bankai, Zoro has no answer to that. Shikai Yama is more interesting to talk about with current Enma Zoro.
Such as each gate having a 10 day walking distance in between them and there are 4 gates in total. It all lines up with the 400 ri statement.
Ichigo casually parrying his sword with Aizenโs and completely evaporating a mountain or hill near him doesnโt make Yamamoto below mountain level when even weaker characters like Shikai Kenpachi (with his eyepatch on...mans wasnโt even anywhere near full power and was semi casual) were able to completely bust an ablated meteor that was going to destroy a country sized sereitei, not even close
Yamamoto cooks Zoro with his bankai, Zoro has no answer to that. Shikai Yama is more interesting to talk about with current Enma Zoro.
Yep, they were busting a mountain - even the mangaka/author described this as a mountain.
But what are you trying to tell me with that panel? This doesn't prove at all that those are small hills lol.
1. It is not a small plateau - nice try btw - it is still a mountain. Keep crying though
2. Ichigo and Aizen were simply casually clashing with each other and vaporized this mountain miles away. Hence Butterfly Aizen was rather bragging about the point casually slicing landscapes away
3. Exactly, Dangai Ichigo was simply blocking Butterfly Aizen and accidently vaporized the mountain whereas Zoro had to get near a moving mountain to cut it with his named attack.
Butterfly Aizen is above Shikai Yamamoto but Bankai Yamamoto utterly destroys him, he's even stronger than the division 0 (excluding Ichibei). Reread Bleach again, lmfao.
Dangai Ichigo > Bankai Yamamoto > Monster Aizen > Butterfly Aizen > Base Aizen.
Doesn't matter; it is already confirmed that Bankai Yamamoto could have destroyed Sereitei.
And even if he didn't show mountain level feats on panel, he doesn't have to since we can easily scale him up to Shikai Kenpachi who destroyed a huge meteor comparable to Sereitei in size (according to @Haoshoku, Sereitei is country sized (you still haven't debunked this yet btw)).
Aside from AP, Bankai Yamamoto can easily burn Zoro with the sun's heat (still haven't read a counter against that), he can erase his existence and Zoro also has to fight against an army of undeads.
Zoro's 1080 PC cut the golem which wasn't even as big as the Flower Hill, hence it is at best a small mountain.
Zoro's ISDS cut the golem in half when Zoro was near it, otherwise he couldn't cut the golem in half like that if he was far away from it.
Zoro used hardening, his currently strongest named attack (excluding Asura) which was Santoryo based - this is far from being casual.
Try again.
It really is.
Zoro swings his sword and still won't deal shit against Yamamoto; said man will casually overwhelm him physically and burns his very existence.
If Zoro was getting stabbed by Killer, who is laughably below base Aizen's physical prowess in his base form, then imagine what even Shikai Yamamoto would do to him. Spoiler alert: Yama destroys Zoro.
The thought - that Bankai Yamamoto HAS TO LAND a hit on Zoro to win the battle - is utterly ludicrous, considering that even being near Bankai Yamamoto's range would kill Zoro since I doubt he can resist 15 million degree.
Also, spamming plenty of undeads towards Zoro and having destructive ranged attacks - I doubt Bankai Yamamoto won't hit Zoro...
You're wrong; Zoro is not faster than Yamamoto, both of them are MHS+ and Zoro's CoO is average at best and isn't that much of an advantage against Yamamoto.
Yes, let's see:
Physical strength was covered above, and Yama's strength >>>>>>>>> Zoro's strength.
There is obviously a massively large gap between mountain and country lv.
I already adressed it; and it's factually wrong.
Also, CoO won't help you shit if you cannot react properly against an attack - especially if Zoro has to fight against an army of undeads + Yamamoto.
The chance of being distracted is high and it canonically happened that CoO won't work against such circumstances.
Once again, stamina, endurance or durability won't help you jack shit if your existence is erased.
Durability is on Yamamoto's side and he casually vaporizes Zoro just from spamming his heat towards him, especially since a nerfed Pleasurer (Killer) stabbed him.
This fan-made website does make good justice on One Piece, the top tiers are small continent lv - no other VS Battle site put OP characters that high like OBD.
But you sure can doubt these stats, it's your choice. Not that I care much about that, though.
But what are you trying to tell me with that panel? This doesn't prove at all that those are small hills lol.
1. It is not a small plateau - nice try btw - it is still a mountain. Keep crying though
2. Ichigo and Aizen were simply casually clashing with each other and vaporized this mountain miles away. Hence Butterfly Aizen was rather bragging about the point casually slicing landscapes away
3. Exactly, Dangai Ichigo was simply blocking Butterfly Aizen and accidently vaporized the mountain whereas Zoro had to get near a moving mountain to cut it with his named attack.
Butterfly Aizen is above Shikai Yamamoto but Bankai Yamamoto utterly destroys him, he's even stronger than the division 0 (excluding Ichibei). Reread Bleach again, lmfao.
Dangai Ichigo > Bankai Yamamoto > Monster Aizen > Butterfly Aizen > Base Aizen.
Doesn't matter; it is already confirmed that Bankai Yamamoto could have destroyed Sereitei.
And even if he didn't show mountain level feats on panel, he doesn't have to since we can easily scale him up to Shikai Kenpachi who destroyed a huge meteor comparable to Sereitei in size (according to @Haoshoku, Sereitei is country sized (you still haven't debunked this yet btw)).
Aside from AP, Bankai Yamamoto can easily burn Zoro with the sun's heat (still haven't read a counter against that), he can erase his existence and Zoro also has to fight against an army of undeads.
Zoro's 1080 PC cut the golem which wasn't even as big as the Flower Hill, hence it is at best a small mountain.
Zoro's ISDS cut the golem in half when Zoro was near it, otherwise he couldn't cut the golem in half like that if he was far away from it.
Zoro used hardening, his currently strongest named attack (excluding Asura) which was Santoryo based - this is far from being casual.
Try again.
It really is.
Zoro swings his sword and still won't deal shit against Yamamoto; said man will casually overwhelm him physically and burns his very existence.
If Zoro was getting stabbed by Killer, who is laughably below base Aizen's physical prowess in his base form, then imagine what even Shikai Yamamoto would do to him. Spoiler alert: Yama destroys Zoro.
The thought - that Bankai Yamamoto HAS TO LAND a hit on Zoro to win the battle - is utterly ludicrous, considering that even being near Bankai Yamamoto's range would kill Zoro since I doubt he can resist 15 million degree.
Also, spamming plenty of undeads towards Zoro and having destructive ranged attacks - I doubt Bankai Yamamoto won't hit Zoro...
You're wrong; Zoro is not faster than Yamamoto, both of them are MHS+ and Zoro's CoO is average at best and isn't that much of an advantage against Yamamoto.
Yes, let's see:
Physical strength was covered above, and Yama's strength >>>>>>>>> Zoro's strength.
There is obviously a massively large gap between mountain and country lv.
I already adressed it; and it's factually wrong.
Also, CoO won't help you shit if you cannot react properly against an attack - especially if Zoro has to fight against an army of undeads + Yamamoto.
The chance of being distracted is high and it canonically happened that CoO won't work against such circumstances.
Once again, stamina, endurance or durability won't help you jack shit if your existence is erased.
Durability is on Yamamoto's side and he casually vaporizes Zoro just from spamming his heat towards him, especially since a nerfed Pleasurer (Killer) stabbed him.
This fan-made website does make good justice on One Piece, the top tiers are small continent lv - no other VS Battle site put OP characters that high like OBD.
But you sure can doubt these stats, it's your choice. Not that I care much about that, though.
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