Powers & Abilities Yamato used advanced COA?
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Hmm it's a little difficult for me to understand what you wanted to say with that..
Smoker has flowing haki though.And he also used it against Vergo. And Vergo has it aswell.
You see , you need to be able to control the flow of your haki to get your haki onto your blade in the first place.
Where do you think the haki that gets hardened up on your blade, comes from? Obviously you had to let it flow from your body upon your blade. Hyo explained it in detail during Udon.
You can then choose to keep it in that state (what btw is already enough to hurt logias)) or you harden it up for higher durability of the weapon. The latter was Zoro's main task during the timeskip and the latter was also used by the scabbards for their "final/special" quatro attack against Kaido in Ch.993.
Just like on skin, hardening hereby also seems to be the superior application aswell.
The "fluid-non hardened" form is what gets put into the air slashes for example, cause you cannot harden up actual "air".
Hardened up weapons is a sign of greater haki mastery before anything else. By any means it's not "regular".
Edit: That's also what makes Vergo's bamboo this powerful. Dude puts a lot of haki onto it and then hardens it up, which results into a simple bamboo stick getting more powerful and more durable then a naturally tougher weapon covered in haki aswell, like Smoker's jutte.
Smoker has flowing haki though.And he also used it against Vergo. And Vergo has it aswell.
You see , you need to be able to control the flow of your haki to get your haki onto your blade in the first place.
Where do you think the haki that gets hardened up on your blade, comes from? Obviously you had to let it flow from your body upon your blade. Hyo explained it in detail during Udon.
You can then choose to keep it in that state (what btw is already enough to hurt logias)) or you harden it up for higher durability of the weapon. The latter was Zoro's main task during the timeskip and the latter was also used by the scabbards for their "final/special" quatro attack against Kaido in Ch.993.
Just like on skin, hardening hereby also seems to be the superior application aswell.
The "fluid-non hardened" form is what gets put into the air slashes for example, cause you cannot harden up actual "air".
Hardened up weapons is a sign of greater haki mastery before anything else. By any means it's not "regular".
Edit: That's also what makes Vergo's bamboo this powerful. Dude puts a lot of haki onto it and then hardens it up, which results into a simple bamboo stick getting more powerful and more durable then a naturally tougher weapon covered in haki aswell, like Smoker's jutte.
Yes, exactly like you said, except for the last part, he could not "let his haki flow all around his body". That's what he just learned in Udon. Now he can do all that, before he couldn't though.
Beforehand he just knew how to release haki on his arms or legs or whatever body part and then harden it up for more power and durability.
Beforehand he just knew how to release haki on his arms or legs or whatever body part and then harden it up for more power and durability.
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I thought Luffy could already make haki “flow” but not externally in the very directed focused manner like Rayleigh did to knock out the elephant. It’s not like Smoker or Vergo displays any barrier haki that Sentomaru and Raykeigh did just because they can flow haki onto their weapons. I always took the flowing aspect to mean a much higher focused application, because Smoker surely can’t use barrier haki like those two, or else I think he would’ve used it.
its the same thing we see with sentomaru
and hyo here
if you take a look at their hands
you begin to see a similar effect each time a barrier is used.
same thing is present in yamato's attacl.
that and the fact that she doesnt have to come in contact with the person she is attacking shows that it is indeed
a haki barrier.
the second step .
and hyo here
if you take a look at their hands
you begin to see a similar effect each time a barrier is used.
same thing is present in yamato's attacl.
that and the fact that she doesnt have to come in contact with the person she is attacking shows that it is indeed
a haki barrier.
the second step .
I would explain it like this:
1. Hardening is specific to Luffy, black haki is not "hardening", it's just normal armament haki.
If you take a look at the phrase "Colour of Armament: Hardening", it is originally stated as "武装色 硬化."
Where 硬化 means "Hardening" in the sense of vulcanization (the hardening of rubber).
This is why if you plug in 硬化 in a translator tool, you can get both translations.
This corroborates with other scenes:
Oda has 4 ways of letting the reader know haki is used:
I) A Logia is damaged (no elemental counter).
II) It is explicitly stated.
III) It is drawn black.
IV) Haki is cut.
So we can conclude that "Hardening" is a move specific to Luffy because it is based on the "hardening" of rubber.
2. Now that we understand "invisible" haki and "black" haki are the same, we also have to understand that "Ryuo" is just a different application of normal armament haki. There is nothing "advanced" about Ryuo inherently.
All weapon users who can put haki on their weapon are able to "flow" their haki.
Tashigi, Smoker, Vergo, Law, Zoro, etc... they all use flowing haki, aka Ryuo.
I remember there was a scanlation of this panel which caused people to think Ryuo which is just used as a barrier was "advanced haki", all Luffy says is that the barrier haki Rayleigh uses is off the charts.
This is fine and doesn't imply that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki".
Luffy just calls it off the charts, because Rayleigh's normal Ryuo application is "off the charts".
It does not mean that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki". And as you can see with how Luffy is about to end his sentence, with just the normal Ryuo (barrier haki), he could be able to damage Kaido.
Which corroborates with what we've seen with the scabbards, who are just flowing their haki into their blades (aka normal Ryuo) and are able to cut Kaido.
So what is normal Ryuo? Normal Ryuo is the ability to either flow your haki to create a barrier that is outside of your fist and/or (depending on whether you're a weapons user or not) to flow your haki into your weapon.
Knowing this, what are examples of normal Ryuo users:
- Marigold and the Kuja tribe
- The 3 admirals
- Rayleigh
- Sentomaru
- Tashigi
- Zoro
- Hyogoro
- Smoker
- Vergo
etc...
I'm sure I'm missing a lot but you get the point.
3. So if that is "normal" Ryuo, what is "advanced" Ryuo?
Advanced Ryuo is to be able to flow your haki and destroy the target from the inside.
What Luffy just did, which was destroying the collar from the inside, was "beyond any application of Ryuo [Hyogoro] could teach him".
He explains it to us again:
So who are the Advanced Ryuo users we know of so far?
- Rayleigh
- Luffy
- Roger
- Whitebeard
I might be missing some, but again, I think you get the point.
So in conclusion...
Black/Invisible haki is the same thing.
Normal Ryuo is a different application of haki, it is not "advanced armament haki".
Advanced Ryuo is going beyond normal Ryuo and is an example of "advanced armament haki".
This is how I understand Armament Haki to be.
1. Hardening is specific to Luffy, black haki is not "hardening", it's just normal armament haki.
Where 硬化 means "Hardening" in the sense of vulcanization (the hardening of rubber).
This is why if you plug in 硬化 in a translator tool, you can get both translations.
I) A Logia is damaged (no elemental counter).
II) It is explicitly stated.
III) It is drawn black.
IV) Haki is cut.
So we can conclude that "Hardening" is a move specific to Luffy because it is based on the "hardening" of rubber.
2. Now that we understand "invisible" haki and "black" haki are the same, we also have to understand that "Ryuo" is just a different application of normal armament haki. There is nothing "advanced" about Ryuo inherently.
All weapon users who can put haki on their weapon are able to "flow" their haki.
Tashigi, Smoker, Vergo, Law, Zoro, etc... they all use flowing haki, aka Ryuo.
I remember there was a scanlation of this panel which caused people to think Ryuo which is just used as a barrier was "advanced haki", all Luffy says is that the barrier haki Rayleigh uses is off the charts.
This is fine and doesn't imply that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki".
It does not mean that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki". And as you can see with how Luffy is about to end his sentence, with just the normal Ryuo (barrier haki), he could be able to damage Kaido.
Which corroborates with what we've seen with the scabbards, who are just flowing their haki into their blades (aka normal Ryuo) and are able to cut Kaido.
So what is normal Ryuo? Normal Ryuo is the ability to either flow your haki to create a barrier that is outside of your fist and/or (depending on whether you're a weapons user or not) to flow your haki into your weapon.
Knowing this, what are examples of normal Ryuo users:
- Marigold and the Kuja tribe
- The 3 admirals
- Rayleigh
- Sentomaru
- Tashigi
- Zoro
- Hyogoro
- Smoker
- Vergo
etc...
I'm sure I'm missing a lot but you get the point.
3. So if that is "normal" Ryuo, what is "advanced" Ryuo?
Advanced Ryuo is to be able to flow your haki and destroy the target from the inside.
He explains it to us again:
So who are the Advanced Ryuo users we know of so far?
- Rayleigh
- Luffy
- Roger
- Whitebeard
I might be missing some, but again, I think you get the point.
So in conclusion...
Black/Invisible haki is the same thing.
Normal Ryuo is a different application of haki, it is not "advanced armament haki".
Advanced Ryuo is going beyond normal Ryuo and is an example of "advanced armament haki".
This is how I understand Armament Haki to be.
Yeah at the beginning I had my problems with that aswell, cause I thought that by not using the barrier move, you would essentially restrict yourself.
But Hyo essentially describes that Ryou stuff as a swordsman technique, he even tells Luffy that he was called "the mighty blade" because of it, while he follows up by doing that barrier move though.
It's seemingly either haki transfered onto a weapon or the barrier move. And if you can do one, you can do both.
It's probably also the main reason how Zoro could go from a 108pound cannon to a 1080 pound cannon over the timeskip. All that "barrier power" is packed into such moves.
What I'm unsure about is, if hardened weapons pack that power aswell (constantly) or if hardening instead gives weapons better potection and swordsmen heightened cutting efficiency, both caused by higher durability, but therefore not that AP boost (..Shusui gave him more AP though hmm)
This way you'd have a) Zoro+hardened swords = clean, powerful cuts (Golem slicing) on the one hand and on the other hand b) Zoro+non hardened haki=much more destructive power, but non clean cuts/weaker cutting power (1080pound cannon/Fujitora scene/Mihawk's MF airslash) up to a point where you are seemingly not even cutting anymore ("...choosing to not even cut a leaf") -> Roger's Kamusari.
Hmmm...
But Hyo essentially describes that Ryou stuff as a swordsman technique, he even tells Luffy that he was called "the mighty blade" because of it, while he follows up by doing that barrier move though.
It's seemingly either haki transfered onto a weapon or the barrier move. And if you can do one, you can do both.
It's probably also the main reason how Zoro could go from a 108pound cannon to a 1080 pound cannon over the timeskip. All that "barrier power" is packed into such moves.
What I'm unsure about is, if hardened weapons pack that power aswell (constantly) or if hardening instead gives weapons better potection and swordsmen heightened cutting efficiency, both caused by higher durability, but therefore not that AP boost (..Shusui gave him more AP though hmm)
This way you'd have a) Zoro+hardened swords = clean, powerful cuts (Golem slicing) on the one hand and on the other hand b) Zoro+non hardened haki=much more destructive power, but non clean cuts/weaker cutting power (1080pound cannon/Fujitora scene/Mihawk's MF airslash) up to a point where you are seemingly not even cutting anymore ("...choosing to not even cut a leaf") -> Roger's Kamusari.
Hmmm...
I would explain it like this:
1. Hardening is specific to Luffy, black haki is not "hardening", it's just normal armament haki.
If you take a look at the phrase "Colour of Armament: Hardening", it is originally stated as "武装色 硬化."
Where 硬化 means "Hardening" in the sense of vulcanization (the hardening of rubber).
This is why if you plug in 硬化 in a translator tool, you can get both translations.
This corroborates with other scenes:
Oda has 4 ways of letting the reader know haki is used:
I) A Logia is damaged (no elemental counter).
II) It is explicitly stated.
III) It is drawn black.
IV) Haki is cut.
So we can conclude that "Hardening" is a move specific to Luffy because it is based on the "hardening" of rubber.
2. Now that we understand "invisible" haki and "black" haki are the same, we also have to understand that "Ryuo" is just a different application of normal armament haki. There is nothing "advanced" about Ryuo inherently.
All weapon users who can put haki on their weapon are able to "flow" their haki.
Tashigi, Smoker, Vergo, Law, Zoro, etc... they all use flowing haki, aka Ryuo.
I remember there was a scanlation of this panel which caused people to think Ryuo which is just used as a barrier was "advanced haki", all Luffy says is that the barrier haki Rayleigh uses is off the charts.
This is fine and doesn't imply that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki".
Luffy just calls it off the charts, because Rayleigh's normal Ryuo application is "off the charts".
It does not mean that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki". And as you can see with how Luffy is about to end his sentence, with just the normal Ryuo (barrier haki), he could be able to damage Kaido.
Which corroborates with what we've seen with the scabbards, who are just flowing their haki into their blades (aka normal Ryuo) and are able to cut Kaido.
So what is normal Ryuo? Normal Ryuo is the ability to either flow your haki to create a barrier that is outside of your fist and/or (depending on whether you're a weapons user or not) to flow your haki into your weapon.
Knowing this, what are examples of normal Ryuo users:
- Marigold and the Kuja tribe
- The 3 admirals
- Rayleigh
- Sentomaru
- Tashigi
- Zoro
- Hyogoro
- Smoker
- Vergo
etc...
I'm sure I'm missing a lot but you get the point.
3. So if that is "normal" Ryuo, what is "advanced" Ryuo?
Advanced Ryuo is to be able to flow your haki and destroy the target from the inside.
What Luffy just did, which was destroying the collar from the inside, was "beyond any application of Ryuo [Hyogoro] could teach him".
He explains it to us again:
So who are the Advanced Ryuo users we know of so far?
- Rayleigh
- Luffy
- Roger
- Whitebeard
I might be missing some, but again, I think you get the point.
So in conclusion...
Black/Invisible haki is the same thing.
Normal Ryuo is a different application of haki, it is not "advanced armament haki".
Advanced Ryuo is going beyond normal Ryuo and is an example of "advanced armament haki".
This is how I understand Armament Haki to be.
1. Hardening is specific to Luffy, black haki is not "hardening", it's just normal armament haki.
Where 硬化 means "Hardening" in the sense of vulcanization (the hardening of rubber).
This is why if you plug in 硬化 in a translator tool, you can get both translations.
I) A Logia is damaged (no elemental counter).
II) It is explicitly stated.
III) It is drawn black.
IV) Haki is cut.
So we can conclude that "Hardening" is a move specific to Luffy because it is based on the "hardening" of rubber.
2. Now that we understand "invisible" haki and "black" haki are the same, we also have to understand that "Ryuo" is just a different application of normal armament haki. There is nothing "advanced" about Ryuo inherently.
All weapon users who can put haki on their weapon are able to "flow" their haki.
Tashigi, Smoker, Vergo, Law, Zoro, etc... they all use flowing haki, aka Ryuo.
I remember there was a scanlation of this panel which caused people to think Ryuo which is just used as a barrier was "advanced haki", all Luffy says is that the barrier haki Rayleigh uses is off the charts.
This is fine and doesn't imply that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki".
It does not mean that normal Ryuo is "advanced haki". And as you can see with how Luffy is about to end his sentence, with just the normal Ryuo (barrier haki), he could be able to damage Kaido.
Which corroborates with what we've seen with the scabbards, who are just flowing their haki into their blades (aka normal Ryuo) and are able to cut Kaido.
So what is normal Ryuo? Normal Ryuo is the ability to either flow your haki to create a barrier that is outside of your fist and/or (depending on whether you're a weapons user or not) to flow your haki into your weapon.
Knowing this, what are examples of normal Ryuo users:
- Marigold and the Kuja tribe
- The 3 admirals
- Rayleigh
- Sentomaru
- Tashigi
- Zoro
- Hyogoro
- Smoker
- Vergo
etc...
I'm sure I'm missing a lot but you get the point.
3. So if that is "normal" Ryuo, what is "advanced" Ryuo?
Advanced Ryuo is to be able to flow your haki and destroy the target from the inside.
He explains it to us again:
So who are the Advanced Ryuo users we know of so far?
- Rayleigh
- Luffy
- Roger
- Whitebeard
I might be missing some, but again, I think you get the point.
So in conclusion...
Black/Invisible haki is the same thing.
Normal Ryuo is a different application of haki, it is not "advanced armament haki".
Advanced Ryuo is going beyond normal Ryuo and is an example of "advanced armament haki".
This is how I understand Armament Haki to be.
For 1
"CoA hardening" is a thing independent of Luffy. That kind of CoA application actually hardens things up for real.
It's used to make blades much more durable. Learning how to harden up his blade, was Zoro's main goal during his timeskip training for example.
For 2
Yeah, he just called it off the charts and not literally "advanced" and that lvl2 -"destroying things from inside" is "even a level beyond-advanced", but even covering your sword in haki and performing that barrier move on itself, is already an advanced application.
You see, when Luffy could already let a good amount of haki flow onto his hands, he still was not able to perform that barrier move, which is why Big Mom slapped the shit out of him and Hyo.
So letting your haki flow =/= letting it flow off your body. You seemingly need additonal training for mastering that skill.
Nonetheless I liked that post of yours.
its the same thing we see with sentomaru
and hyo here
if you take a look at their hands
you begin to see a similar effect each time a barrier is used.
same thing is present in yamato's attacl.
that and the fact that she doesnt have to come in contact with the person she is attacking shows that it is indeed
a haki barrier.
the second step .
and hyo here
if you take a look at their hands
you begin to see a similar effect each time a barrier is used.
same thing is present in yamato's attacl.
that and the fact that she doesnt have to come in contact with the person she is attacking shows that it is indeed
a haki barrier.
the second step .
However, in Yamato's case, it is a long range attack completely extended from her weapon.