Versus Battle Yhwach vs Bunny Girl Karen
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He doesn't need to stare at them. He nulls it when he sees them, he did it to Ichibei and his ability. Why are you twisting context?
Yhwach doesn't need to put effort into his precog or powernull, it's all passive. The only thing he does actively is the fate manipulation because he actively changes the timelines.
Ichigo stabbing him isn't an anti-feat, the arrow isn't an anti-feat.
Again read properly. I said his precog and powernull are passive. The Almighty isn't just a single ability. It's a 3-in-1 deal.
All you can do is twist context, it's pathetic.
Yes. This is clearly stated. How does that mean anything here? His perception reaches infinite futures.
Holy shit you are so pathetic. He broke Ichigo's bankai twice. He fully broke it with the Almighty along with every single bankai in all futures. He broke it a bit when he tried to grab it after he got hit with the arrow.
What instance are your referring to. The first or second because none of these instances help you. Stop jumping around and stick to a point.
All you can spew is "garbage tier probability manipulation" and can't even respond to it. Does nothing else, but I provided multiple instances of it doing something else.
"More like he can't 🤓" That's not a refutation. That's just you coping. Thanks for pointing out that he broke out of Toshiro's power nulling ice.
Just because you can't respond to points, doesn't mean I'm pulling it out my ass. You've proven you struggle comprehend text. Now you just coping. It's sad.
She struggled to heal Ichigo because of how shocked she was. Like, you were the one who said she couldn't heal Ichigo against R2 Ulquiorra. Get help for your dementia.
"blind belch fanboys" Typical coping response from an Outdated Battleboards Database user (OBD). Can't even address a full point.
Yet you show so much hatred for a fictional female character. The only terrible arguments are coming from you, no need to project yourself onto me.
And now you wanna talk about Tsukishima, another character who's power you don't understand. Tsukishima doesn't change the past. He creates a new past, which is different. A new timeline backwards. That's how Orihime was able to restore Ichigo's bankai.
Orihime who can reject events that have occured, was unable to reject the destruction of Ichigo's bankai.
You're actually just delusional at this point. To call someone's precognition shit when they can see infinite futures simultaneously and understand everything he sees is just delusion. You're just coping.
He "failed" to see the getsuga or the arrow due to multiple factors. We went over them. If you still try to use this as an argument, you're being disingenuous. You are actually straight up pathetic disingenuous. Not even worth responding to anymore. Most deluded downplayer I've seen.
- Yhwach sees what she does, changes fates and kills her. (Almighty)
- Because the chances of Yhwach hitting her get reduced, it would be a "miracle" if she got it, so she gets hit and dies. (The Miracle)
- Because Karen has so much good fortune of her luck, that good fortune becomes misfortune and she loses all her luck. (The Balance)
Yhwach doesn't need to put effort into his precog or powernull, it's all passive. The only thing he does actively is the fate manipulation because he actively changes the timelines.
Ichigo stabbing him isn't an anti-feat, the arrow isn't an anti-feat.
Again read properly. I said his precog and powernull are passive. The Almighty isn't just a single ability. It's a 3-in-1 deal.
All you can do is twist context, it's pathetic.
Yes. This is clearly stated. How does that mean anything here? His perception reaches infinite futures.
Holy shit you are so pathetic. He broke Ichigo's bankai twice. He fully broke it with the Almighty along with every single bankai in all futures. He broke it a bit when he tried to grab it after he got hit with the arrow.
What instance are your referring to. The first or second because none of these instances help you. Stop jumping around and stick to a point.
All you can spew is "garbage tier probability manipulation" and can't even respond to it. Does nothing else, but I provided multiple instances of it doing something else.
"More like he can't 🤓" That's not a refutation. That's just you coping. Thanks for pointing out that he broke out of Toshiro's power nulling ice.
Just because you can't respond to points, doesn't mean I'm pulling it out my ass. You've proven you struggle comprehend text. Now you just coping. It's sad.
She struggled to heal Ichigo because of how shocked she was. Like, you were the one who said she couldn't heal Ichigo against R2 Ulquiorra. Get help for your dementia.
"blind belch fanboys" Typical coping response from an Outdated Battleboards Database user (OBD). Can't even address a full point.
Yet you show so much hatred for a fictional female character. The only terrible arguments are coming from you, no need to project yourself onto me.
And now you wanna talk about Tsukishima, another character who's power you don't understand. Tsukishima doesn't change the past. He creates a new past, which is different. A new timeline backwards. That's how Orihime was able to restore Ichigo's bankai.
Orihime who can reject events that have occured, was unable to reject the destruction of Ichigo's bankai.
You're actually just delusional at this point. To call someone's precognition shit when they can see infinite futures simultaneously and understand everything he sees is just delusion. You're just coping.
He "failed" to see the getsuga or the arrow due to multiple factors. We went over them. If you still try to use this as an argument, you're being disingenuous. You are actually straight up pathetic disingenuous. Not even worth responding to anymore. Most deluded downplayer I've seen.
- Yhwach sees what she does, changes fates and kills her. (Almighty)
- Because the chances of Yhwach hitting her get reduced, it would be a "miracle" if she got it, so she gets hit and dies. (The Miracle)
- Because Karen has so much good fortune of her luck, that good fortune becomes misfortune and she loses all her luck. (The Balance)
Never did and his fight with Ichigo cements it since all he could was break Ichigo’ blade itself.
Stab from behind, Getsuga, and plot arrow all say otherwise.
Consistently shows his own perception is needed
And some of the shittiest powernull and precog to be argued in fiction.
I’m not the one writing off not one, not two, but 3 showings with the excuse that their just anti-feats
Yet based on the future of what he’s currently looking at.
And?
I clearly gave it to you. The first time he broke Ichigo’s Bankai.
Garbage to A Simple Monitoring feats is an objective fact and I’ll keep calling it as such the more it gets compared. Does absolutely nothing beyond boosting Gerard’s stats as he needs it. Hell, he needs a sword that redirects damage to do anything to the opponent while Karen can retroactively snap the opponents neck if she needs to. Garbage.
Any real Probability user worth their salt wouldn’t even get caught in the ice.
Name what point I’ve missed.
Excuses, excuses
Can tell you’ve been laughed out of there with these kind of arguments, clown.
LOLk
Literally the same shit. Karen (or in this case, Higashikawa, creating a brand new timeline where his friends weren’t killed in the past.
Because her abilities are limited garbage tier and it’s irrelevant, Yhwach’s abilties are limited only to the future of what he’s currently perceiving
It is shit. Cope with those laughable showings for Quincy Hitler’s “precog” that gets duped by illusions making him change the wrong future of something or simply getting hit in the back.
Failed to see the stab from an illusion obstructing his vision, failed to see a Getsuga because he was too slow to react in time, and failed to see the arrow from getting shot in behind.
Wont see Karen’s powers either. No huge blades as obvious targets for him to change the future of.
Passively nulls his attempts, and his attempts will fail since he can’t affect the Past anyway.
Yhwach doesn’t even have the trash tier power that only makes him hit harder. And Gerard has never been able to affect the probability of his attacks landing when he was Bankai Kenpachi’s punching bag, so once again, stop pulling facts out off your ass.
Never demonstrated that either and Balance has no feats of affecting history being rewritten.
Try again
Stab from behind, Getsuga, and plot arrow all say otherwise.
Consistently shows his own perception is needed
And some of the shittiest powernull and precog to be argued in fiction.
I’m not the one writing off not one, not two, but 3 showings with the excuse that their just anti-feats
Yet based on the future of what he’s currently looking at.
And?
I clearly gave it to you. The first time he broke Ichigo’s Bankai.
Garbage to A Simple Monitoring feats is an objective fact and I’ll keep calling it as such the more it gets compared. Does absolutely nothing beyond boosting Gerard’s stats as he needs it. Hell, he needs a sword that redirects damage to do anything to the opponent while Karen can retroactively snap the opponents neck if she needs to. Garbage.
Any real Probability user worth their salt wouldn’t even get caught in the ice.
Name what point I’ve missed.
Excuses, excuses
Can tell you’ve been laughed out of there with these kind of arguments, clown.
LOLk
Literally the same shit. Karen (or in this case, Higashikawa, creating a brand new timeline where his friends weren’t killed in the past.
Because her abilities are limited garbage tier and it’s irrelevant, Yhwach’s abilties are limited only to the future of what he’s currently perceiving
It is shit. Cope with those laughable showings for Quincy Hitler’s “precog” that gets duped by illusions making him change the wrong future of something or simply getting hit in the back.
Failed to see the stab from an illusion obstructing his vision, failed to see a Getsuga because he was too slow to react in time, and failed to see the arrow from getting shot in behind.
Wont see Karen’s powers either. No huge blades as obvious targets for him to change the future of.
Passively nulls his attempts, and his attempts will fail since he can’t affect the Past anyway.
Yhwach doesn’t even have the trash tier power that only makes him hit harder. And Gerard has never been able to affect the probability of his attacks landing when he was Bankai Kenpachi’s punching bag, so once again, stop pulling facts out off your ass.
Never demonstrated that either and Balance has no feats of affecting history being rewritten.
Try again
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No, it is precisely the manipulation of the plot. The gambling plot was created out of a huge amount of absurdity, which called for Objective Alice. Karen became the main antagonist of the story and Higashikawa Mamoru became the protagonist. The story distorted itself so that the story continues as it should, the main villain cannot die in the middle and at the beginning of the story, and the protagonist cannot die somewhere in the middle. The main character must survive and save his friends, and the main villain and the evil organization must be destroyed, that is the plot created by Objective Alice.
Objective Alice is the white girl no? She's the one who has plot manipulation since she's the one dictating the plot. Them being main characters don't mean they got plot manipulation. They still don't control the plot of the story, if anything they are still following the plot created by Objective Alice.
Well, after reading a bit about this Karen, it seems that her ability is stronger than Yhwachs, she can literally redo the time in all existence(basically doing what Saitama did in the last chapters of opm) with her luck, Yhwach is not capable of something like this, so yeah he wont be able to harm her, I still dont know how her abilities work 100% so I cant say for sure if her luck can insta kill Yhwach, imma say that this ends in a draw, they cant harm eath other.
I've read her powers from anywhere I could find. All I got is that she has supernatural luck or probability manipulation.
She can reverse time, but Yhwach's changes from the future are absolute. Orihime (who's powers reject past events and causality) was unable to restore Ichigo's bankai because of Yhwach. He would prevent that from happening with Karen.
Yhwach can view infinite futures and affect them all at once. When he broke all bankai, he did it in all the futures he saw.
There are counters to Karen's powers such as high tier reality warping or having probability manipulation yourself.
If he has Gerard's powers then what stops him from making his chances of hitting Karen higher with the Miracle.
If he uses Jugram's power, what makes him from changing the good fortune that Karen has with her luck into misfortune with the Balance. Since Karen has infinite good fortune, that becomes infinite misfortune for her.
If we are using Yhwach at his highest based on the image then Yhwach should counter her hax based on all the profiles you can find on her.
She can reverse time, but Yhwach's changes from the future are absolute. Orihime (who's powers reject past events and causality) was unable to restore Ichigo's bankai because of Yhwach. He would prevent that from happening with Karen.
Yhwach can view infinite futures and affect them all at once. When he broke all bankai, he did it in all the futures he saw.
There are counters to Karen's powers such as high tier reality warping or having probability manipulation yourself.
If he has Gerard's powers then what stops him from making his chances of hitting Karen higher with the Miracle.
If he uses Jugram's power, what makes him from changing the good fortune that Karen has with her luck into misfortune with the Balance. Since Karen has infinite good fortune, that becomes infinite misfortune for her.
If we are using Yhwach at his highest based on the image then Yhwach should counter her hax based on all the profiles you can find on her.
> Karen’s power is stated to be beyond the notion of luck
> Still calls it luck. LOL
Still arguing with NLF by bringing up fodder while ignoring Tsukishima changing the past to undo the Almighty. I’m going to post it so you can stop lying about this too
Cool. And?
Neither of which YouWhack has.
And he doesn’t nor has Gerard ever affected probability to alter the odds of his attacks landing, just making himself a bigger, stronger brick.
And he doesn’t have that either and why are you arguing Balance taking precedence over Unbeatable Emperor? What feats does it have to argue such?
You get your knowledge from Vs Battle Wiki. Your argument is irrelevant
> Still calls it luck. LOL
Still arguing with NLF by bringing up fodder while ignoring Tsukishima changing the past to undo the Almighty. I’m going to post it so you can stop lying about this too
Cool. And?
Neither of which YouWhack has.
And he doesn’t nor has Gerard ever affected probability to alter the odds of his attacks landing, just making himself a bigger, stronger brick.
And he doesn’t have that either and why are you arguing Balance taking precedence over Unbeatable Emperor? What feats does it have to argue such?
You get your knowledge from Vs Battle Wiki. Your argument is irrelevant
This is the last time I'm responding to you.
Her power is supernatural luck or probability manipulation. That's all there it to it.
Oh brother. It took a while for the NLF coping mechanism to come through. Causality manipulation is causality manipulation, Orihime's casuality manipulation can reverse to the point of non-existence, Yhwach prevented this. All you can do is cope harder since Karen can't do anything related to the past.
Thanks for continuing to provide more evidence that you lack reading comprehension. You've already made it obvious when you somehow thought Orihime's mental state limiting her powers meant that her ability is a mental ability. This just reaffirms the fact. Tsukishima didn't change the past. If that was the case then Orihime would've been able to reject the past events. He basically created a new timeline in the past in which Yhwach didn't use the Almighty because it wasn't there before.
Not the same as just changing the past.
That means he can see what happens against her and null her, counter her, and stop her. He powernulls passively and can change the future if he needs to.
He does have high tier reality warping and probability manipulation from the dead sternritter. Cope harder. The Almighty is already reality warping, but he also has Gremmy's and Jugram's power.
He does. He stole Gerard and his soul. Gerard's ability is to make the impossible possible. No amount of cope changes this. I've provided plenty of examples, not my problem you struggle to comprehend text.
He does. Jugram died and his soul went to Yhwach along with his powers. Balance passively controls fortune and misfortune.
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Luckiness_Manipulation
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Misfortune_Redirection
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Jinx_Manipulation
Learn what the Balance does. Karen's power is just luck hax. Her luck and "good fortune" gets changed and becomes misfortune. She doesn't have control over her luck. Her hax isn't unbeatable, there are counters to hax. The balance is one of them. Her luck just goes against her.
I don't use Vsbattles for everything. I actually know the context for Bleach.
I use them for a reference since some people might not know the powers. They are good at keeping a consistent format of powers. I'm not using their scaling, I'm using their list for powers.
For Karen, I got some things from spacebattles, Vsbattles, and other places.
Telling me that I get info from Vsbattles is not a counterargument. Typical clown mentality from you.
Her power is supernatural luck or probability manipulation. That's all there it to it.
Still arguing with NLF by bringing up fodder while ignoring Tsukishima changing the past to undo the Almighty. I’m going to post it so you can stop lying about this too
Thanks for continuing to provide more evidence that you lack reading comprehension. You've already made it obvious when you somehow thought Orihime's mental state limiting her powers meant that her ability is a mental ability. This just reaffirms the fact. Tsukishima didn't change the past. If that was the case then Orihime would've been able to reject the past events. He basically created a new timeline in the past in which Yhwach didn't use the Almighty because it wasn't there before.
Not the same as just changing the past.
That means he can see what happens against her and null her, counter her, and stop her. He powernulls passively and can change the future if he needs to.
He does have high tier reality warping and probability manipulation from the dead sternritter. Cope harder. The Almighty is already reality warping, but he also has Gremmy's and Jugram's power.
He does. He stole Gerard and his soul. Gerard's ability is to make the impossible possible. No amount of cope changes this. I've provided plenty of examples, not my problem you struggle to comprehend text.
He does. Jugram died and his soul went to Yhwach along with his powers. Balance passively controls fortune and misfortune.
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Luckiness_Manipulation
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Misfortune_Redirection
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Jinx_Manipulation
Learn what the Balance does. Karen's power is just luck hax. Her luck and "good fortune" gets changed and becomes misfortune. She doesn't have control over her luck. Her hax isn't unbeatable, there are counters to hax. The balance is one of them. Her luck just goes against her.
I don't use Vsbattles for everything. I actually know the context for Bleach.
I use them for a reference since some people might not know the powers. They are good at keeping a consistent format of powers. I'm not using their scaling, I'm using their list for powers.
For Karen, I got some things from spacebattles, Vsbattles, and other places.
Telling me that I get info from Vsbattles is not a counterargument. Typical clown mentality from you.
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And if you actually bothered to read from actual excerpts in the novel posted throughout this thread, you’d realize that “luck” is her overturning causality and continuity itself
You lost the argument right there, showing you don’t know the character even with the feats posted in this thread.
Big text of self-projection followed by you repeating what I already posted Tsukishima did which is something Karen can do anyway
Couldn’t see past an illusion, too slow to stop a Getsuga, didn’t see an arrow, nor didn’t see a sword hidden within a Bankai: Care to try again on that claim off YouWhack being omniscient and his powers a passive defense with such a pitiful track record of both being disproven?
Only consumed their souls to keep himself going since he’s a human parasite that will lose his power and senses if he doesn’t consume souls regularly. Hell, Yhwach needs a device just for stealing Bankai
No cope needed when your only argument to Gerard’s lack of feats is HUR DUR Mr Miracle makes the impossible possible and disregarding how Yhwach has never once displayed powers of anyone souls he taken
And Karen will just turn that misfortune back to the exact result she wants by passively changing at any point in time in which Balance tries messing with it since it has no feats of that level while her power is the Almighty, but superior since it also affects the past and without any effort on her part.
All you’ve been using so far.
Yet you get nothing right about her powers.
Denying ignorance. Even bigger clown mentality.
You lost the argument right there, showing you don’t know the character even with the feats posted in this thread.
Big text of self-projection followed by you repeating what I already posted Tsukishima did which is something Karen can do anyway
Couldn’t see past an illusion, too slow to stop a Getsuga, didn’t see an arrow, nor didn’t see a sword hidden within a Bankai: Care to try again on that claim off YouWhack being omniscient and his powers a passive defense with such a pitiful track record of both being disproven?
Only consumed their souls to keep himself going since he’s a human parasite that will lose his power and senses if he doesn’t consume souls regularly. Hell, Yhwach needs a device just for stealing Bankai
No cope needed when your only argument to Gerard’s lack of feats is HUR DUR Mr Miracle makes the impossible possible and disregarding how Yhwach has never once displayed powers of anyone souls he taken
And Karen will just turn that misfortune back to the exact result she wants by passively changing at any point in time in which Balance tries messing with it since it has no feats of that level while her power is the Almighty, but superior since it also affects the past and without any effort on her part.
All you’ve been using so far.
Yet you get nothing right about her powers.
Denying ignorance. Even bigger clown mentality.
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Just going to point out some things, not a response because idc anymore.
If you actually read up on what supernatural luck and probability manipulation are.
Supernatural Luck | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Luck | Superpower Wiki | Fandom
Probability Manipulation | Superpower Wiki | Fandom
Probability Manipulation | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Then you would know what I'm saying. Hope you realize some powers overlap with one another.
Another example of your lack of reading comprehension. I didn't say she can't do anything with the past in general.
I explained Orihime's powers here.
All I did here is say Karen can't do change the past because Yhwach will prevent it.
If you actually read up on what supernatural luck and probability manipulation are.
Supernatural Luck | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Luck | Superpower Wiki | Fandom
Probability Manipulation | Superpower Wiki | Fandom
Probability Manipulation | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Then you would know what I'm saying. Hope you realize some powers overlap with one another.
Another example of your lack of reading comprehension. I didn't say she can't do anything with the past in general.
I explained Orihime's powers here.
All I did here is say Karen can't do change the past because Yhwach will prevent it.
Yet you somehow generalize it as luck when it can even change the past or future to give the user the outcome they want.
Oh really?
"All you can do is cope harder since Karen can't do anything related to the past."
^ That's what you said.
Nothing worth mentioning here since Orihime can't change the past the same way Tsukishima did.
Yet failed to prevent Ichigo's Bankai's destruction being undone
Oh really?
"All you can do is cope harder since Karen can't do anything related to the past."
^ That's what you said.
Nothing worth mentioning here since Orihime can't change the past the same way Tsukishima did.
Yet failed to prevent Ichigo's Bankai's destruction being undone
I think the funniest thing was SkySanji saying VBW was a downplaying site. VBW is fanboy circle jerk central with some of the laziest, inaccurate scaling and stats for characters with no regard to context or consistency.
Multiversal Fate Stay Night Saber
Multiversal Infinite Speed God of War Kratos
Multiversal Devil May Cry
Planet busting Sakura from Naruto
Bleach characters being anywhere from Multi-Continental to Multiversal first began there
Multiversal Fate Stay Night Saber
Multiversal Infinite Speed God of War Kratos
Multiversal Devil May Cry
Planet busting Sakura from Naruto
Bleach characters being anywhere from Multi-Continental to Multiversal first began there
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If you bothered to read through the links I posted then you would understand I'm not just calling it simple luck. Luck throughout different series can do shit like causality manipulation. Read through those links.
Of course you ignore, misquote, misrepresent, misinterpret, and twist the context. You're pathetic. When I said that, I was talking about in the case against Yhwach. I brough up Orihime's powers, then said Yhwach prevented it, and then said Karen can't do anything related to the past. I guess I needed to be more specific and say that this would've been the case against Yhwach.
I brought up Orihime here and then said Karen can't do anything. I never made a claim about her in general.
You continue to prove that you either lack reading comprehension or are extremely disingenuous. I think both apply here.
I even specified it multiple times that this would be the case against Yhwach. Not that she can't do it in general. I don't know much about her which is why I read through different sources for her.
Point out where I said that she can't change the past in general outside of the crossbattle situation with Yhwach.
Another example of specifying that this is against Yhwach. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter, I'm not even arguing the matchup anymore. I'm showing you how much you struggle to read
You've already made it obvious that you have comprehension issues here:
I said this:
You responded with:
I never said anything about the power being mental, I said it's limited by her mental state. She's a pacifist.
Ok and I agree. I never said Orihime changes the past like Tsukishima, I've made it clear that they are different. So why bring this up. Tsukishima makes a new timeline in the past while Orihime rejects events from the current timeline she's in.
I don't even care about the matchup anymore, this is just about your inability to read.
Of course you ignore, misquote, misrepresent, misinterpret, and twist the context. You're pathetic. When I said that, I was talking about in the case against Yhwach. I brough up Orihime's powers, then said Yhwach prevented it, and then said Karen can't do anything related to the past. I guess I needed to be more specific and say that this would've been the case against Yhwach.
I brought up Orihime here and then said Karen can't do anything. I never made a claim about her in general.
You continue to prove that you either lack reading comprehension or are extremely disingenuous. I think both apply here.
I even specified it multiple times that this would be the case against Yhwach. Not that she can't do it in general. I don't know much about her which is why I read through different sources for her.
Point out where I said that she can't change the past in general outside of the crossbattle situation with Yhwach.
Another example of specifying that this is against Yhwach. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter, I'm not even arguing the matchup anymore. I'm showing you how much you struggle to read
You've already made it obvious that you have comprehension issues here:
I said this:
You responded with:
I never said anything about the power being mental, I said it's limited by her mental state. She's a pacifist.
Ok and I agree. I never said Orihime changes the past like Tsukishima, I've made it clear that they are different. So why bring this up. Tsukishima makes a new timeline in the past while Orihime rejects events from the current timeline she's in.
I don't even care about the matchup anymore, this is just about your inability to read.
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