Questions & Mysteries Yonkou's fall before WG confirmed

[Red Admiral]

There is something bigger going in here. Oda wouldn't have made it a huge plot twist to have him talking to the Gorosei otherwise and make it a shocking thing to read.

I bow down to your big brain cause so far you are of few people who saw this ...
many people think they can guess what can happen after wano ....
Shanks , Dragon , Teach are on the way ... after wano will be some thing we didn't expect and expect at same thing


there is a bigger hidden plot going on ... that Shanks saw it far far before any of us
just like war of the bests ... Shanks was the first man who knew it was going to happen FAR FAR before any of us could even guess it


Oda is a man who CHANGE anything that fandom highly expect and he DIDN'T PROMIS .... Shanks going down by Teach either won't happen or won't happen in a way any one expect ...

I know Oda
I know how he writer story
and that's why I could see Shanks talking to Gorosei 100 chapters ago
Shanks is a wild card that Oda saved for 23 years
he is not gonna waste it away in a stupid predictable way

 

[Just a member]

Kaido and BM have good chances, maybe they will fall this arc, yet the WG and his characters (IM, admirals, CD) at best so far as villains can hope to have the same level of Kaido and BM while everybody knows that Shanks and BB are very very important characters for the story and Oda will not simply exaust them before making Luffy go vs amdirals/IM or whatever, BB is the final villain and Shanks will be spent most likely to hype BB and give Luffy even more motivation. Maybe at that point the 3 admirals would be used to hype BB (you know in the original project he was meant to be as strong or stromger than the 3 admirals and it could be that his original project is just 3 df holy trinity BB).

 

[Sakazuki-Singh]

Yonkou's fall before WG confirmed

It was confirmed a long time ago when the "Yonko Saga" started, and even before TS with WB's speech

Kaido/BM will be down when the WG / Navy / Admiral Teach and the Snitch will reveal their true powers

 

[Paperchampion23]

Kaido/Linlin/"Rocks"
Akainu/Admirals
Im/Gorosei/Blackbeard
Shanks/Mihawk

Thats the order I'm banking on.

Luffy isn't beating Kaido solo, neither Linlin. Some crazy turn of events will cause both Yonko to fall (either by betraying each other, powerful new ally, other villains taking advantage. etc) and allow victory here.

Potentially there will be other "smaller" villains between Wano and Laugh Tale (i.e. SSG, Underworld character, Elbaf villain, etc, idk), but post-Laugh Tale and once we get to the Final War, the focus will be taking on the Marines and those guarding Mariejois from some major "event".

Yes, I dont know how the "final 4" as I call it will fall (Akainu, Im, Blackbeard, Shanks), but its very clear that all 4 will probably be involved in the final conflicts. And I do half expect it to go in the order I have above. I think the final war will definitely be a multi-part epic, something that has many sides attacking and facing each other (think of the Scabbards fighting Kaido but way more complicated and messy).

It will also take place certainly in multiple locations, i.e. New Marineford and Mariejois, but even beyond that is potentially something else. God Valley is hidden and only the WG knows where it is at this point. Tbh, I think this is Shanks' motivation and always has been, considering his age relative to the event. There is something there that Rocks wanted, otherwise they wouldn't have erased the island from maps after the fact. Its not just about Laugh Tale anymore. There is more than one hidden island that is an enigma to the story. now.


Tbh, even if we get a "Rocks" flashback this arc, I don't expect to get nearly the whole thing. I honestly expect most of it to begin after Rocks when Kaido began forming his crew. Oda is gonna save that story for later

 

[Extravlad]

Blackbeard is the only Yonko that is endgame material

 

[Paperchampion23]

Blackbeard is the only Yonko that is endgame material

We know virtually nothing about Shanks. Not only that, his only known association to another Pirate is Mihawk, who is pretty much guaranteed to be Zoro's final battle. Whats more emotional? Usopp fighting Van Auger last or his father, the man he wants to be most like? Luffy fighting Blackbeard, whom has clearly uncompelling evil/control intentions or someone like Shanks, who probably is just more morally grey and has compelling goals?

Im just saying, wait because there clearly is something up with Shanks. This is the same man who Oda drew with Genocidal Gorosei, didn't specifically mention Blackbeards name when talking to them, had an unanswered question from Roger during the Oden flashback, has an extremely competitive/nasty face anytime Luffy is mentioned (insinuating they will fight). Not only that, returning the hat is pretty much a symbolic measure to tie the series back to the beginning. The moment Luffy does it, hes no longer Strawhat Luffy. Shanks is the only major character in Chapter 1, which at a time was when Oda knew the ending to his series already


Just keep an open mind about it. I have a feeling this fanbase is going to implode soon

 

[Blackbeard]

Recall what happened right before he talked to the Gorosei. What big news did Shanks read about? No joke, Oda picked that time period to have Shanks talk to them, not anytime before. Blackbeard did nothing notable before this to warrant a conversation.


Just saying, don't take everything at face value yet with Shanks. We dont know enough about him.

Edit:
My point is, I dont believe Shanks is this perfectly great pirate. I believe there is a morally Grey element to his character. There is a ton of mysterious air about him and some of that was even questioned during the Oden flashback, when Roger gave him an unknown answer to his question and he cried.

Think about who Zoro is supposed to fight last in this series and who that person is mostly associated with. Think about the time period of when Shanks went to the Gorosei and what news came out around then, or even why he's talking to genocidal tenyruubito leaders in the first place. Think about his age, and what events occurred around his birth. Think about how this story began and who was there. Think about the fact that Oda planned his ending before even starting the manga, and Shanks was the only other major character in Chapter 1 with Luffy as a result of that idea, not to mention the narrative goals introduced there (i.e. returning the hat). Blackbeard wasn't even mentioned until 140 chapters in, and not physically shown until 220 chapters in. He didn't even become this major, threatening villain until 550 chapters in.

There is something bigger going in here. Oda wouldn't have made it a huge plot twist to have him talking to the Gorosei otherwise and make it a shocking thing to read.

+ think about his suspicious meeting with Kaido.

Antagonist Shanks would be the best plot twist that could ever happen to this series. You can feel how Oda started to give Shanks that privateer aura.

 

[Paperchampion23]

+ think about his suspicious meeting with Kaido.

Antagonist Shanks would be the best plot twist that could ever happen to this series. You can feel how Oda started to give Shanks that privateer aura.

Yup, plus its not about making him evil exactly, it's just that with how little we know about the world and goals of certain characters, it almost makes sense that this dynamic between him and Luffy changes. Being morally grey and setting Shanks to have compelling reasons for things makes a way better antagonist overall. Like all this buildup just for Shanks to acknowledge Luffy seems boring. Oda has been setting them up to fight, just based in Shanks' ominous faces when he sees or talks about Luffy, plus Luffys claims (3 times now) that he will beat all the Yonko ("as long as Shanks isn't first").

I could totally see there being a double meaning behind Shanks "betting his arm for the new age" or Luffy "saying the same words as Roger". We have no idea what "those words" are still and we really have no idea what he intends Luffy to do in this "new age" because Oden's flashback confirmed Shanks did not go to Laugh Tale, meaning he doesn't know the prophecy set by Joy Boy, or at least shouldn't because Buggy seems to not know either. So what does Shanks actually intend here?

This to me proves there is something off about it all. Plus, it can flip the entire meaning of the beginning of the story on its head. Its a way more emotional ending to me than Blackbeard