Powers & Abilities You apparently don't need ACoC to defeat a Yonkou

[Master OF Haki]

We can assume Big Mom was even using AdCoC, but "invisible", or offpanel, since author is pretty limited when fights.

Please, with all due respect to you, but Oda had all the opportunities to show Meme using AdCoC against Kid and Law. The reason he didn't do so (and you very well know this even without me saying it) is because he had no explanation of how Kid and Law can take those attacks. They might be able to barely take one AdCoC attack, but 3, 4, 5!? I mean we saw Law tank thunderbagua, with pis obviously, but still.

Kaido, unlike Meme and Luffy, can't use AdCoA (at least that's what we've seen from him) so Law tanking it–even with pis–is still acceptable for "average" fans, but Meme has AdCoA too, there's no explanation to that. How can Kid and Law tank that? They can't. That's why Meme didn't use it, and that's why 80% of the fight is off screend. That's how Oda writes now, if he can't explain then he will simply avoid it, off screend it, avoid all the questions. The stupid fans will find an excuse themselves, endlessly debate about something that author didn't even bother to show.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Please, with all due respect to you, but Oda had all the opportunities to show Meme using AdCoC against Kid and Law. The reason he didn't do so (and you very well know this even without me saying it) is because he had no explanation of how Kid and Law can take those attacks. They might be able to barely take one AdCoC attack, but 3, 4, 5!? I mean we saw Law tank thunderbagua, with pis obviously, but still.

Kaido, unlike Meme and Luffy, can't use AdCoA (at least that's what we've seen from him) so Law tanking it–even with pis–is still acceptable for "average" fans, but Meme has AdCoA too, there's no explanation to that. How can Kid and Law tank that? They can't. That's why Meme didn't use it, and that's why 80% of the fight is off screend. That's how Oda writes now, if he can't explain then he will simply avoid it, off screend it, avoid all the questions. The stupid fans will find an excuse themselves, endlessly debate about something that author didn't even bother to show.

Big Mom does not have AdCoA.
And we saw a panel of Big Mom using AdvCoC against them (though it was only shown the shockwaves of it and was commented by the Kaido's fodders).

Like I said, the explanation is clear with her powerup. What she used/had before that powerup wasnt enough against these two. That explains all.

Now, you can think two things. She either can't use AdCoC when using her "giant mode", or either she used it offpanel again. Whatever you want, but the fact is that the current BM is going all out and is stronger than before she using AdCoC but with her normal size.

For Oda, Big Mom's powerup is more important than AdCoC, so Haki like I said is another tool more.

 

[Master OF Haki]

And we saw a panel of Big Mom using AdvCoC against them (though it was only shown the shockwaves of it and was commented by the Kaido's fodders).

We never saw it, pleas, if you're going to continue saying that "we saw" then there's nothing to discuss, you're too delusional for whatever reason.

Big Mom does not have AdCoA.

She does, unlike CoC attack against Kid and Law that we never saw, we clearly saw Meme using AdCoC + AdCoA, I even have the panel of her using it.

Like I said, the explanation is clear with her powerup. What she used/had before that powerup wasnt enough against these two. That explains all.

Now, you can think two things. She either can't use AdCoC when using her "giant mode", or either she used it offpanel again. Whatever you want, but the fact is that the current BM is going all out and is stronger than before she using AdCoC but with her normal size.

For Oda, Big Mom's powerup is more important than AdCoC, so Haki like I said is another tool more.

Dude, you come up with things that were never explained or shown, and you also want me to choose between two things that were never shown. If Oda showed that AdCoC + AdCoA was somehow wasn't enough to defeat Kid and Law, then that would be a fact, but right now you're just making shit up.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

We never saw it, pleas, if you're going to continue saying that "we saw" then there's nothing to discuss, you're too delusional for whatever reason.

Yes, we saw.
https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1024-001.png

She does, unlike CoC attack against Kid and Law that we never saw, we clearly saw Meme using AdCoC + AdCoC, I even have the panel of her using it.

No, that's AdCoC only.
The no touching stuff and that bubble was only shown with AdCoC. When Luffy started using it against Kaido, Law said, "he didnt even touch him", but he didnt say this with AdCoA.

Dude, you come up with things that were never explained or shown, and you also want me to choose between two things that were never shown. If Oda showed that AdCoC + AdCoA was somehow wasn't enough to defeat Kid and Law, then that would be a fact, but right now you're just making shit up.

What was explained is the fact that
Giant Big Mom > Big Mom with AdCoC + etc
That's undeniably.

And what I explained are two routes for Giant Big Mom regarding AdCoC, you pick whatever you want.
Either Big Mom cant use AdCoC now because it takes too much load to her alongside her powerup or whatever, or Big Mom actually used all, but it was offpanel, like the 99% of the fight. Most likely being the second option what happened, since like this are a lot of fights.

 

[Master OF Haki]

No, that's AdCoC only.
The no touching stuff and that bubble was only shown with AdCoC. When Luffy started using it against Kaido, Law said, "he didnt even touch him", but he didnt say this with AdCoA.

The "no touching thing" is possible only if you combine AdCoA with AdCoC. Kaido has AdCoC but he can't use no touching stuff, the same shit with Yamato. Kaido can't even use the basic black hardening, he can use only the weakest CoA, the invisible one.

Yes, we saw.
https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1024-001.png

No we didn't. That's Usopp and some unconscious fodders. There's no panel of Meme using AdCoC and AdCoA against Kid and Law.

What was explained is the fact that
Giant Big Mom > Big Mom with AdCoC + etc
That's undeniably.

Was it? We never saw Meme using her full haki potential, so haw do we know that.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

The "no touching thing" is possible only if you combine AdCoA with AdCoC. Kaido has AdCoC but he can't use no touching stuff, the same shit with Yamato. Kaido can't even use the basic black hardening, he can use only the weakest CoA, the invisible one.

That's only your guess (which may be true, but there's no confirmation at all and the other evidence does not help it). The fact remains that Law only said that when he saw AdCoC, despite him seeing AdCoA previously and not saying anything. The same we saw with Roger and Whitebeard clash and Oden saying it. and those two doesnt need to have AdvCoA, it's not a must. In WCI this concept didnt even exist (aside from that "AdvCoA" of Katakuri) despite being an Emperor's crew and same in this arc with Kaido's crew.

Kaido not knowing hardening is the same as Sanji not knowing hardening lol. You can't see it, that's all because the pants/kanabo are black.

No we didn't. That's Usopp and some unconscious fodders. There's no panel of Meme using AdCoC and AdCoA against Kid and Law.

Hahahaha lmao
The blatant denial

Was it? We never saw Meme using her full haki potential, so haw do we know that.

Dude, you serious? If she had more potential to show, she won't sacrifice 1 year of lifespan, what's so difficult to get lmao? Stop smoking weed.

 

[Black]

Guys stop the clown fiesta

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Guys stop the clown fiesta

If Meme gets defeated without ACoC then its possible. But that would also mean that Meme is the weakest yonkou out of all 4.

I'm clueless into why she isn't using her ACoC against both Midd and Law anymore. She is kinda nerfing herself.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Please, with all due respect to you, but Oda had all the opportunities to show Meme using AdCoC against Kid and Law. The reason he didn't do so (and you very well know this even without me saying it) is because he had no explanation of how Kid and Law can take those attacks. They might be able to barely take one AdCoC attack, but 3, 4, 5!? I mean we saw Law tank thunderbagua, with pis obviously, but still.

Kaido, unlike Meme and Luffy, can't use AdCoA (at least that's what we've seen from him) so Law tanking it–even with pis–is still acceptable for "average" fans, but Meme has AdCoA too, there's no explanation to that. How can Kid and Law tank that? They can't. That's why Meme didn't use it, and that's why 80% of the fight is off screend. That's how Oda writes now, if he can't explain then he will simply avoid it, off screend it, avoid all the questions. The stupid fans will find an excuse themselves, endlessly debate about something that author didn't even bother to show.

This fight is garbage and oda is the garbage man

 

[Master OF Haki]

That's only your guess (which may be true, but there's no confirmation at all and the other evidence does not help it).

I have all these picks that show Meme using AdCoA and you still deny it, while at the same time you're trying to convince me that Meme used AdCoC haki attack against Kid and Law with no panels. For you it's enough Uassop and few unconscious fodders to believe in it... dude, fo you even understand the absurdity of what you're saying.

Hahahaha lmao
The blatant denial

Says the guy who tries to convince me that Meme used AdCoC attacks against Kid and Law without any panels.

Dude, you serious? If she had more potential to show, she won't sacrifice 1 year of lifespan, what's so difficult to get lmao? Stop smoking weed.

Show me one singel panel of Meme using any AdCoC attack against Kid and Law, at least just a regular black hardening, at least that? If you can't, then I you're the one who is smoking some serious stuff.

 

[kenedyfake]

ACoC wouldn't do any good and probably she used it off screen... Even a thunder bagua that Law didn't even defend, had no effect to knock him down.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

I have all these picks that show Meme using AdCoA and you still deny it, while at the same time you're trying to convince me that Meme used AdCoC haki attack against Kid and Law with no panels. For you it's enough Uassop and few unconscious fodders to believe in it... dude, fo you even understand the absurdity of what you're saying.

Okey, let's say she can use AdCoA as well, anyway, that's not even relevant for the main topic of the discussion.

BM used AdCoC against Kid and Law like I proved with the panel posted.

Says the guy who tries to convince me that Meme used AdCoC attacks against Kid and Law without any panels.

Seriously stop, you are looking like a clown.

Show me one singel panel of Meme using any AdCoC attack against Kid and Law, at least just a regular black hardening, at least that? If you can't, then I you're the one who is smoking some serious stuff.

Like I said, it's irrelevant if she after her powerup is not using AdCoC.
What is an undeniable fact is that she powered up herself, meaning what she used before wasnt enough (AdCoC + AdCoA included).
So stop the copium.

 

[Master OF Haki]

BM used AdCoC against Kid and Law like I proved with the panel posted.

No you didn't!!! Dude, you're embarrassing yourself, stop it. Show me the fucking planel of her using AdCoC or just basic black hardening? There's none.

Seriously stop, you are looking like a clown.

Says the guy who has no panels of Meme using AdCoC against Kid and Meme. Just look into mirror lol.

Like I said, it's irrelevant if she after her powerup is not using AdCoC.
What is an undeniable fact is that she powered up herself, meaning what she used before wasnt enough (AdCoC + AdCoA included).

It's not irrelevant cuz she never used AdCoC or AdCoA against Kid and Law.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

No you didn't!!! Dude, you're embarrassing yourself, stop it. Show me the fucking planel of her using AdCoC or just basic black hardening? There's none.

Says the guy who has no panels of Meme using AdCoC against Kid and Meme. Just look into mirror lol.


It's not irrelevant cuz she never used AdCoC or AdCoA against Kid and Law.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Do you even realize that you're opening the "pandora box" by trying to prove something without it being shown?

 

[Black]

Says the guy who tries to convince me that Meme used AdCoC attacks against Kid and Law without any panels.

If Meme used ACoC to one shot P1 then she definitivly used ACoC on both Midd and Law aswell during offscreen when her CoC knocked out fodder around ussop and nami.

It's just strange why she isn't using it onpanel.

 

[[No Name]]

Shanks lost an arm to fish , fish doesn't have adcoc
BB got one shotted by Magellan, no need CoC

Both way before their prime.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Do you even realize that you're opening the "pandora box" by trying to prove something without it being shown?

There is no pandora box.
It was stated explicitly that she was using it.

 

[nik87]

It was never needed to defeat anyone but you know how Luffybros ride the hype train of the latest PU...

 

[Master OF Haki]

It's just strange why she isn't using it onpanel.

I think you know exactly why she's not using it, everybody does, but not everyone is willing to accept it.