Powers & Abilities Zeus carries Nami and its awful

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Sexist? Um, so Big Mom cracks a tough guy in half with one punch. Hera almost devours Zeus but is saved by Nami. Then the three females are in conflict with each other until Ulti is tired enough to finish her on Nami's behalf.

By your logic, Orange Town was sexist against males because the main character and the main villain both got tied up by Nami or something, lol

I'm not saying the series as whole is sexist, but that the treatment of Nami is. She's the only straw hat that have "beaten" an opponent without doing anything. She does no need to use her brawn nor her brain to defeat her opponents, as her male "servant" she only got because Big Mom ditched him will do it for her. Her skills are completely irrelevant.
The message it sends is completely fucked up.

Usopp is gonna surpass the strongest third commander next arc

He's currently as strong as 10 gifters

At this point it's kind of obvious that whatever power up he's gonna get it's gonna be an asspull

Same for nami, she's not a fighter at this point, she's just there during battles
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I don't really hate her character, but tbh I don't really think much of her development

I don't understand why Zeus is treated nicely, he's a backstabbing piece of shit who would leave nami's side as soon as he finds some good food lol

Oda literally REFUSES to develop the weaklings post-ts for some reason. Guess he wrongly believes that them actually growing would make their characters unrelatable or some bullshit like that when what he doing is straight up sabotage. He said in a very old interview that he wrote strawhats as they could be main protagonist/mc but it now obvious he meant monster trio

 

[Fn Lucci]

I'm not saying the series as whole is sexist, but that the treatment of Nami is. She's the only straw hat that have "beaten" an opponent without doing anything. She does no need to use her brawn nor her brain to defeat her opponents, as her male "servant" she only got because Big Mom ditched him will do it for her. Her skills are completely irrelevant.
The message it sends is completely fucked up.


Oda literally REFUSES to develop the weaklings post-ts for some reason. Guess he wrongly believes that them actually growing would make their characters unrelatable or some bullshit like thatt when what he doing is straight up sabotage. He said in a very old interview that he wrote strawhats as they could be main protagonist/mc but it now obvious he meant monster trio

Lol, the only Straw Hat? Usopp did even less despite tagging Page One repeatedly. Brook didn't butt heads with a named character, he's only been running support for pretty much the entire new world after FI. And unlike Brook stepping in on a whole Yonko, Chopper only landed hits on a calamity because of others; his relevance as a fighter is pretty much nothing. Nami getting the final zap after Yamato and Big Mom already stood up to the same Ulti who was strong enough to bother Luffy, followed up by Robin's first actual win in like 20 years...and this arc is the one sending that sexist message?

 

[Ravagerblade]

I'm not saying the series as whole is sexist, but that the treatment of Nami is. She's the only straw hat that have "beaten" an opponent without doing anything. She does no need to use her brawn nor her brain to defeat her opponents, as her male "servant" she only got because Big Mom ditched him will do it for her. Her skills are completely irrelevant.
The message it sends is completely fucked up.


Oda literally REFUSES to develop the weaklings post-ts for some reason. Guess he wrongly believes that them actually growing would make their characters unrelatable or some bullshit like that when what he doing is straight up sabotage. He said in a very old interview that he wrote strawhats as they could be main protagonist/mc but it now obvious he meant monster trio

He can't even do either tbh.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Lol, the only Straw Hat? Usopp did even less despite tagging Page One repeatedly. Brook didn't butt heads with a named character, he's only been running support for pretty much the entire new world after FI. And unlike Brook stepping in on a whole Yonko, Chopper only landed hits on a calamity because of others; his relevance as a fighter is pretty much nothing. Nami getting the final zap after Yamato and Big Mom already stood up to the same Ulti who was strong enough to bother Luffy, followed up by Robin's first actual win in like 20 years...and this arc is the one sending that sexist message?

A character losing because his opponent was too mmuch and learning from it is less insulting than a character failing to land a hit on her 5 hp opponent and only getting the W because her plot device subordinate/whatever you call took the initiative to finish said opponent while she looked like she was already about to give up.
Oda showing he can draw competent girls in this arc juste make his treatment of his main female character even worse

 

[Fn Lucci]

A character losing because his opponent was too mmuch and learning from it is less insulting than a character failing to land a hit on her 5 hp opponent and only getting the W because her plot device subordinate/whatever you call took the initiative to finish said opponent while she looked like she was already about to give up.
Oda showing he can draw competent girls in this arc juste make his treatment of his main female character even worse

She doesn't look bad, because she's a navigator and apparently the best in the world. She's not a fighter, never trained. Physically she's the same person who failed to tag one of Buggy's goons, so it would be stupid writing to make her competent enough to beat someone clearly well trained. The solution is a weapon that doesn't require training. She beat double finger because of Usopp building a trap she didn't even know about into the weapon. The Kalifa fight was the opposite, I'll give you that, although Nami dodging Rankyaku and so on was kinda bullshit.

 

[Shiroyru]

That could have worked too actually, have him cure the Ice Oni virus and them help out Nami and Usopp beat P1/Ulti, I would have liked that too

Nami wouldn’t have needed help against Ulti once she got Zeus, but Chopper would have carried Usopp against P1 since Usopp is trash

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

She doesn't look bad, because she's a navigator and apparently the best in the world. She's not a fighter, never trained. Physically she's the same person who failed to tag one of Buggy's goons, so it would be stupid writing to make her competent enough to beat someone clearly well trained. The solution is a weapon that doesn't require training. She beat double finger because of Usopp building a trap she didn't even know about into the weapon. The Kalifa fight was the opposite, I'll give you that, although Nami dodging Rankyaku and so on was kinda bullshit.

While Usopp trap is what allowed Nami to finish Doublefinger, it wouldn't have been possible if she didn't heavily weaken Doublefinger with that lightning strike before

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Huge difference of potency and strenght despite being the same attack. Difference is that one was before the lightning strike and the other was after. This allowed Nami to land Usopp's attack. Unlike Onigashima where she literally didn't need to do anything except being the better choice between Mom and herself for Zeus.

And stupid writing is involving apparently a "non fighter" into fights against elite NW fighters. Just cut off the bullshit. Not every shonen character need to partake in fighting, Bulma being a good example.
But Oda from Alabasta chose to involve Nami in fights so I'm going to judge the way Oda is handing her the same way as I would judge the way he's handling any other fighter. You fight you're a fighter in the narrative.
Also the problem isn't Nami getting a powerful weapon to make up for her lack of physical strenght, but the fact the weapon is even doing the thinking for her.

 

[Fn Lucci]

While Usopp trap is what allowed Nami to finish Doublefinger, it wouldn't have been possible if she didn't heavily weaken Doublefinger with that lightning strike before

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Huge difference of potency and strenght despite being the same attack. Difference is that one was before the lightning strike and the other was after. This allowed Nami to land Usopp's attack. Unlike Onigashima where she literally didn't need to do anything except being the better choice between Mom and herself for Zeus.

And stupid writing is involving apparently a "non fighter" into fights against elite NW fighters. Just cut off the bullshit. Not every shonen character need to partake in fighting, Bulma being a good example.
But Oda from Alabasta chose to involve Nami in fights so I'm going to judge the way Oda is handing her the same way as I would judge the way he's handling any other fighter. You fight you're a fighter in the narrative.
Also the problem isn't Nami getting a powerful weapon to make up for her lack of physical strenght, but the fact the weapon is even doing the thinking for her.

And... where did the lightning strike come from? Who designed it into the weapon, Nami? Lol

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

And... where did the lightning strike come from? Who designed it into the weapon, Nami? Lol

Weapon was build by Usopp but that move came from Nami. Lightning strike wasn't part of the original climat tact function. Same fore the mirage.
She had to use her skills for it. Big difference with now where she literally does not need to think as her weapon is literally a sentient autoaim who kill her enemies for her while she can sit on her ass. If you genuinely cannot see the difference, then it's better to stop this discussion here, as it is clearly pointless.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Weapon was build by Usopp but that move came from Nami. Lightning strike wasn't part of the original climat tact function. Same fore the mirage.
She had to use her skills for it. Big difference with now where she literally does not need to think as her weapon is literally a sentient autoaim who kill her enemies for her while she can sit on her ass. If you genuinely cannot see the difference, then it's better to stop this discussion here, as it is clearly pointless.

She took the fight against Ulti without counting on that because she didn't know it would happen, and it only finished the fight because of the damage Ulti already had. Nami will be back to fighting fodder unless she manages to take it to the next level.

 

[Ravagerblade]

I'd rather replace Ulti on the crew from Nami.
But we all cant get what we want

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

She took the fight against Ulti without counting on that because she didn't know it would happen, and it only finished the fight because of the damage Ulti already had. Nami will be back to fighting fodder unless she manages to take it to the next level.

It gotta be fodder cleaning from now then, not that it is a bad thing.

 

[wraithery]

Either way Nami is still fodder with a nerfed yonko soul for a weapon. You can literally leave Nami on the ship when they reach a new island & have Zeus travel with the crew instead & they'd actually perform better without her.

Not saying it will, but realistically she has no reason to be on the battlefield. Fodder crowd control suits her just fine.

I dont think she'll get a blackbeard pirate matchup if we get anymore crew members.

 

[Fn Lucci]

They'd perform better with Zeus over Nami? Zeus was ousted by an idiot for being an idiot. I'm not sure how we made it to 2022 and people believe that the One Piece crew dynamic focuses on damage output

 

[wraithery]

They'd perform better with Zeus over Nami? Zeus was ousted by an idiot for being an idiot. I'm not sure how we made it to 2022 and people believe that the One Piece crew dynamic focuses on damage output

I only focus on that since we're in an arc that is supposed to focus on fights in a "war" otherwise I generally don't care.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I only focus on that since we're in an arc that is supposed to focus on fights in a "war" otherwise I generally don't care.

Oh. Cause we've seen people attack crew members who stayed on the ship before, we've seen villains who were surprisingly aware of the ship as soon as it docked, and in this arc we saw Oden get clowned by a surprise hostage. It's part brave and kinda smart for Nami to stick around while sacking Onigashima if still a bit illogical as she's not a fighter and anything could happen with 30,000 enemies. She was there when Luffy got jumped and has already met at least a few of Big Mom's commanders, so she wouldn't dream of actually beating someone at that level with the lightning she had at Orochi's place... unless they just pissed her off and she stopped caring.

 

[Finalbeta]

I wish Nami got more homies than just Zeus, it would have been interesting to see her growth although it would be lovely to see her developing a more potent haki asset.

 

[wraithery]

I wish Nami got more homies than just Zeus, it would have been interesting to see her growth although it would be lovely to see her developing a more potent haki asset.

No. No.

Let's just keep her as a discount big mom w/ zeus.

I'd rather she showcase what she learned over the timeskip like every other strawhat has done up to this point.

 

[Punk Rotten]

characters worth on the crew are more than their fighting ability. This is more an adventure manga with battle manga tendencies.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Like I've said before, should've been,

Usopp & Carrot VS Page One
Nami & Wanda VS Ulti