Powers & Abilities Zeus carries Nami and its awful

[OEKaneki]

Yeah why even draw fights? Just skip everything and show the end result lol

Modern Oda would have off screen stuff like this lol

Yeah, why even acknowledge fights have taken place if they don’t fit the narrative I’m trying to push. Oda definitely never drew one scene of Nami fighting Ulti.

(The irony in you posting this when Nami getting bodied by Ulti left her far worse off).

So exactly what I said, offpanelling.

Didn’t realize that Nami being soaked in blood wasn’t ever shown.

Yes, it is indeed my fault that I prefer to see an actual fight between combatants rather than:

With the ultimate result being at no point do we actually see a fight with any sort of give and take, exchange of attacks.

Guess we’re at the point where we just straight up lie, because Oda definitely didn’t show Nami and Ulti fighting after Nami realized that Zeus was merged with her climatact and proceeded to hit Ulti with her climatact, transformed into a club, and a lightning bomb courtesy of Zeus. Definitely didn’t show Ulti getting back up, blitzing Nami, and then trying to end it before Big Mom crushed her. Definitely not. Only showed Ulti laying on the ground leaving everyone else to guess at what happened.

Yes, I can pretty clearly see that Oda does not like drawing Nami get hurt.

And yet it seems that is indeed the case, because he refused to show anyone hurt Nami. Can’t even remember the last time he did.

“Oda does not like to draw Nami getting hurt,” “Refused to show anyone hurt Nami.”

shows Nami broken and beaten, covered in cuts and bruises, leaking blood, and accepting torture rather than betray Luffy.

Moving the goalposts on an already bad argument tends to only make it worse.

 

[Jailer]

What's funny is that we know observation haki can only be used properly when someone is focused. Was literally stated by Katakuri, the COO expert.

Spoiler

Or while Ulti is a COO user she's extremely emotional and prompt to anger. The opposite of focused. I really don't think it would have been that unbelievable for the two weaklings to piss and trick her (who have stuff like smokescreen, mirage in their arsenal on top of plenthora of accesories and pop green) into using her most powerful headbutt to smash her brother skull in. Then she tries to headbutt Usopp who prepared an impact dial and returned the hit against her, while Nami lands the finisher with a trap/huge lightning bolt she prepared.
I'm sure there are would have been complaints about it from people that can't accept weakling beating NW top dogs, but at least they would have earned their victory instead of freakin Big Mom doing their homeworks

Usopp also had his own CoO even if Ulti or P1 used theirs, Usopp's CoO relevance was ZERO in this arc.

 

[Uncle Van]

What's funny is that we know observation haki can only be used properly when someone is focused. Was literally stated by Katakuri, the COO expert.

Spoiler

Or while Ulti is a COO user she's extremely emotional and prompt to anger. The opposite of focused. I really don't think it would have been that unbelievable for the two weaklings to piss and trick her (who have stuff like smokescreen, mirage in their arsenal on top of plenthora of accesories and pop green) into using her most powerful headbutt to smash her brother skull in. Then she tries to headbutt Usopp who prepared an impact dial and returned the hit against her, while Nami lands the finisher with a trap/huge lightning bolt she prepared.
I'm sure there are would have been complaints about it from people that can't accept weakling beating NW top dogs, but at least they would have earned their victory instead of freakin Big Mom doing their homeworks

That reminds me, I completely forgot Usopp unlocked COO in DR.

 

[kom5]

Oda really do lazy jobs with the other strawhats

No one really developed during Post-TS
Robin and Franky have no haki
Brook and Chooper no major fight
Sanji get a lazy power up twice

It's awful

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

@Yo Tan Wa

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Usopp also had his own CoO even if Ulti or P1 used theirs, Usopp's CoO relevance was ZERO in this arc.

Yep. You'd think facing an emperor crew would improve his haki ,as it was stated hard fights make it bloom. But I guess Usopp is a weaklign so he's not allowed to better his haki lol

 

[Jailer]

Robin and Franky have no haki

Tbh I don't mind them not having haki, as long as they have some other mean to beat someone, I am all for it instead of spamming haki, but they might get basic CoO and CoA at some point among other stuff related to their abilities.

 

[Necrohol]

Funny thing is how Usopp got his skull cracked by both Mr4 and Ulti.

P1 and Ulti were clearly shown to be predictable and dumb, and their first act together was Ulti accidentally knocking P1 out by using him as a slide. Oda could've easily had Nami use mirage tempo to trick the siblings into hitting each other like Usopp and Chopper did against Mr4 and Merry Christmas.

True. Mirage tempo is OP and Nami never uses it.

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Seriously, how hard would it have been for Oda to have Nami and Usopp take out P1 and Ulti?

1. Use traps and misdirection to trick Ulti and P1 into hitting an impact dial repeatedly.

2. Usopp manages to get the dial stuck on Ulti's forehead

3. Ulti tries to headbutt Usopp which turns out to be a Nami mirage hiding P1 behind it

4. Ulti headbutt P1 with a super beefed up impact dial that takes out P1, and hurts Ulti due to the insane recoil.

5. Nami finishes them off with lightning as powerful as Zeus that she's been preping the whole time

This would have been amazing.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Didn’t realize that Nami being soaked in blood wasn’t ever shown.

Are you being dense on purpose or does it come naturally to you?

I am saying that Oda never once showed Ulti attacking Nami.

I am saying that I don’t care about the aftermath being shown.

What part of this is hard to understand for you?

Guess we’re at the point where we just straight up lie, because Oda definitely didn’t show Nami and Ulti fighting after Nami realized that Zeus was merged with her climatact and proceeded to hit Ulti with her climatact, transformed into a club, and a lightning bomb courtesy of Zeus. Definitely didn’t show Ulti getting back up, blitzing Nami, and then trying to end it before Big Mom crushed her. Definitely not. Only showed Ulti laying on the ground leaving everyone else to guess at what happened.

Show a panel of Ulti landing a hit on Nami.

Oda does not like to draw Nami getting hurt,” “Refused to show anyone hurt Nami.”

shows Nami broken and beaten, covered in cuts and bruises, leaking blood, and accepting torture rather than betray Luffy.

Moving the goalposts on an already bad argument tends to only make it worse

Again, are you dense? Can you read?

Let’s take a little rewind and look at your dumbass argument here.

I say this

Because Oda’s now unwilling to show Nami get hit, which he never used to be like in the past.

This is a fact. At no point does Oda actually show Ulti hit Nami.

You then, randomly, come in with this.

Oda literally drew her getting tortured by Ulti. People need to stop with this lie.

Which, eh, never fucking happened unless you have an extremely tame definition of what torture is. Because Oda “literally“ offpanelled every instance of Ulti hurting Nami.

Then you come out with this gibberish about “goal-post moving”

Yeah, and there’s not a difference. We literally know what happened. It’s moving the goalposts from a prior iteration of the argument to avoid admitting that the original argument was wrong. “Nami never gets hit!!!,” > “but we didn’t see Nami get hit!!!”

Which is pretty retarded on your behalf, because my first post was

Because Oda’s now unwilling to show Nami get hit, which he never used to be like in the past.

So, zero goalposts being moved, because my complaint has always been about the offpanelling.

You can swallow every piece of shit Oda throws at you just because it has Nami in it and you‘re a simp for a fictional character, but it won’t change the fact that everything I’ve said about Nami vs Ulti is right.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Talking about haki
I'm still baffled Oda gives Nami stuff like Zeus but won't have awaken COO. Her weakness was never her AP, lightning are strong in OP. She two shotted Kalifa, she hurts Ult bad with a lightning strike from the basic climat tact. Her weakness has always been her poor defense as she's neither tanky nor fast.
Developping COO at decent level would at least allow her to not get immediately overwhelmed as she has quick feet and decent agility, combined with ther mirage it would improve her defense by a decent margin. She already already has her weird weather predicting ability that could be used justification for her having observation predisposition. And Sanji already used it in her body

I agree with @Jailer that not everything should be about haki though, but in her case I think it would be a net benefit without being asspullish

 

[OEKaneki]

Are you being dense on purpose or does it come naturally to you?

I am saying that Oda never once showed Ulti attacking Nami.

I am saying that I don’t care about the aftermath being shown.

What part of this is hard to understand for you?


Show a panel of Ulti landing a hit on Nami.



Again, are you dense? Can you read?

Let’s take a little rewind and look at your dumbass argument here.

I say this


This is a fact. At no point does Oda actually show Ulti hit Nami.

You then, randomly, come in with this.



Which, eh, never fucking happened unless you have an extremely tame definition of what torture is. Because Oda “literally“ offpanelled every instance of Ulti hurting Nami.

Then you come out with this gibberish about “goal-post moving”



Which is pretty retarded on your behalf, because my first post was



So, goalposts being moved, because my complaint has always been about the offpanelling.

You can swallow every piece of shit Oda throws at you just because it has Nami in it and you‘re a simp for a fictional character, but it won’t change the fact that everything I’ve said about Nami vs Ulti is right.

I’m saying that it doesn’t matter. This argument has been going on for years. It was originally people complaining how Oda never drew Nami hurt, but then he drew the scene on Onigashima, and it flipped to people saying that it doesn’t count becuase you never actually saw the punch, despite Oda drawing Nami more worse for wear than perhaps she’s ever been.

So, zero goalposts being moved, because my complaint has always been about the offpanelling.

Really? Because you just said that Oda never drew them fighting, I pointed out the scenes in which he quite literally did, and you changed it to demanding that I show a panel of Ulti actually landing a hit on Nami.

You can swallow every piece of shit Oda throws at you just because it has Nami in it and you‘re a simp for a fictional character

Funny, because I never said that I loved Ulti vs Nami. Had you asked, I would have said that I had preferred a longer engagement with more shown of it, and a wider demonstration of Nami’s abilities. But apparently, responding to the blatant falsehood that Oda doesn’t like to show Nami hurt, when he quite clearly did, is “shoveling shit” and “simping” for something that I wasn’t satisfied with to begin with.

 

[kom5]

Tbh I don't mind them not having haki, as long as they have some other mean to beat someone, I am all for it instead of spamming haki, but they might get basic CoO and CoA at some point among other stuff related to their abilities.

It's a disappointment every character has this kind of haki yet Franky and Robin don't have

It would be nice if they would bloom this kind of haki during the course of the journey

 

[Garp the Fist]

I’m saying that it doesn’t matter.

And I’m saying it does. That’s the wonderful thing about life, people can have different opinions.

This argument has been going on for years. It was originally people complaining how Oda never drew Nami hurt, but then he drew the scene on Onigashima, and it flipped to people saying that it doesn’t count becuase you never actually saw the punch, despite Oda drawing Nami more worse for wear than perhaps she’s ever been.

So you came charging in all fire and brimstone about me “changing goalposts” over an entirely different argument you’ve had with other people years ago?

Makes sense.

Really? Because you just said that Oda never drew them fighting, I pointed out the scenes in which he quite literally did, and you changed it to demanding that I show a panel of Ulti actually landing a hit on Nami.

Again, nope

but we don’t actually see anything that could be described as a proper Nami vs Ulti fight, it’s just a series of disconnected attacks, none of which hit Nami. And it‘s not like that’s because we get a losd of scenes of Nami’s amazing dodging prowess or anything like that, Ulti just doesn’t attack her.

Yes, it is indeed my fault that I prefer to see an actual fight between combatants rather than:

-offpanel the bit where the villain shows their strength and beats the hero
-chapters of chase scenes where the villain fails miserably to land a hit on our hero
-gets a stronger character to weaken the villain drastically
-hero beats the villain thanks to a sentient weapon making up for her ineptness

With the ultimate result being at no point do we actually see a fight with any sort of give and take, exchange of attacks.

Nami vs Ulti isn’t a fight, it’s an offpanelled beating, a chase scene and a few disconnected attacks with little in the way of choreography.

What you are trying to argue is that this

And then this chapters later

Somehow makes a well choreographed fight between Nami and Ulti. Which it isn’t. These are all pretty clear example of “disconnected attacks”, “little in the way of choreography”, zero examples of “amazing dodging prowess”, the villain does “fail miserably to land a hit on our hero”, etc etc. The first example is like the bare minimum of choreography with Ulti dodging the attack, and that’s about it.

Funny, because I never said that I loved Ulti vs Nami. Had you asked, I would have said that I had preferred a longer engagement with more shown of it, and a wider demonstration of Nami’s abilities. But apparently, responding to the blatant falsehood that Oda doesn’t like to show Nami hurt, when he quite clearly did, is “shoveling shit” and “simping” for something that I wasn’t satisfied with to begin with.

You took a hissy fit with me stating the unarguable fact that at no point did Oda show Nami get hit, show me a panel of it happening or stfu about “blatant falsehood.” Not a picture of Nami with blood on her, a panel of Ulti actually hitting Nami.

 

[BleakAsh]

zoro's swords and sanji legs carry both of then IT IS AWFUL

Luffy has a DF it is AWFUL

 

[Finalbeta]

The only shame is that Nami wasn't granted the chance to empower her condition and defeat a F6 on her own

 

[Kiiro]

That just explains that Nami is a fodder and will keep being fodder. It is in her blood.

 

[Ravagerblade]

At times like this I'm reminded of that Nami with the big Axe and whatnot. Oh what could have been.

 

[Herrera95]

Problem was Oda nerfing Zeus.
If you don't like Nami with Zeus that is your problem. She earned him.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Problem was Oda nerfing Zeus.
If you don't like Nami with Zeus that is your problem. She earned him.

She was lucky BM created hera otherwise zeus would have stayed with BM

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

She was lucky BM created hera otherwise zeus would have stayed with BM

Yeah she got lucky but one thing.
How was she able to attract Zeus and made him her thing ? With the weather balls. Something that weren't added by Franky or Usopp, something she studied how to morph into weapons usable by climat tact during the timeskip.
If people think earned Sanji earned his exoskeleton power up because of his actions during WCI, the same should be appliable to Zeus. She may not have directly created him, but if she didn't do shit during the two years she wouldn't gotten him to begin with.
Not that I'm defending the execution, I think Oda did a mediocre job